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Beloved Female Spanish Crime Writer is Actuallty Three Men (ft. Bobbi Dean)

#stephenking#pseudonym#tamales#award#book
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0:00 [Music] so one of my favorite phenomena that's happening across the world is men are taking credit for women's work [Laughter] so the spanish literary world has been thrown into chaos after a book prize was awarded to uh a woman named carmen mola who is an acclaimed female thriller writer who turned out to to uh be a man to be three guys like ghost writing yeah not ghost writing what yeah the pen name yeah like shakespeare the concept are you sure like satoshi nakamoto shakespeare's not a person well there's a theory there's a theory that shakespeare is also the biggest but there's a there's a picture with them

0:50 with a crusty the clown thing man damn yeah conspiracy i don't know if it's true but you know what i'm saying wow that's very interesting to choose to do that like they choose to be a lady old men choosing to pose as a baby they won this award right and they they took to the stage to pick up the prize money and reveal that they were her and that she doesn't exist so how did they get invited if under the the pseudonym it worked yeah so they they're like so they exposed it to somebody then uh maybe i don't know probably one of the big reveal you said you said uh that pseudonym is famous for thrillers yeah oh dude um stephen king's son is a writer and he has success but he used a different name because he didn't want everyone to think stephen king so

1:41 my book needs to be as good or whatever even stephen king actually started doing that he even created his own for other brands because if he wanted to do romance he's like by stephen king but then he uh he got found out isn't there a potential problem with this though why they do that all the time all the time bro yeah well it's it's more like the idea well okay okay never mind i think there was a guy i never pretended to be asian to write some type of script too but that's what i'm saying like imagine if i pretend to be a woman and i write a novel that has to do with like womanly things but what if people love it and it doesn't matter that's that's kind of the best part it usually happens for like fair enough fiction and just like like make belief ████ not like non-fiction and self-help and like biographies and things like that that would be tight if it was for non-fiction

2:32 i mean like my my pen name is dr cleopatra [Laughter] you know you're not a doctor at all she's like a african-american or just i'm black as a as a pseudonym and then i write like stories from africa that happens to like win an award yeah because i'm representing something that needs to be spoken about and then when i go to accept my award i look like this am i just kidding my name is actually anthony lee hey someone's going to get you though they needed a good sick job right i just wanted to know i just wanted to ask because if everyone loves it and connects with it and like that's so true that's so real and true and then you stand up you're like i'm anthony lee genjus [Laughter] that's how i see it there's that ivan ramen guy in japan that makes like michelin star because it depends on the content yeah and everyone in japan loves his ████ he's just but

3:23 he's just a jewish dude from new york but does he pose he doesn't know that he's japanese he should that's what i'm saying you know what i'm saying it's different but again that's why i asked like what's the type of content if it's like a butterfly wasn't written by an asian it was been by like a french lady or some ████ maybe some of the best sushi i've ever had my whole life comes from a place called ralph's stupid where it tastes like the refrigerator it's very good ralph's a japanese guy yeah when it has craft philadelphia ████ cream cheese but there's usually japanese people making it though there is almost always japanese almost always japanese that's true even at the vallarta there's always a ████ there's always a bunch of japanese people they're ham in the sushi section too man dude this sushi section is like underrated bro this is it i don't know if i trust them because their tamales were not good so the mines are hit or miss though because you know why because you can just get tamales from like a family

4:13 friend you get at the parking lot yeah yeah dude there's a lady that's like hey you want the tamales i'm like yeah mommy got a tamale connection and she takes off her mask i'm like it's anthony lee ginger but i feel like man those are pretty good yeah dude home depot parking lot tamale here we go longest tamales have had just home depot parking lot i think it depends on context right because like if people are writing like a asian rights activist menu and then like we find out later that it was like some mexican dude or whatever and i'm like what or like being a rachel dolezal or some ████ like i think that's pretty ████ up because what if he had dope ideas for asian lives dude he's like yo these are the sickest most lit ideas you know what it does steve what if steve produces a tv show about asian

5:03 rights and casts all asians but he's the executive producer oh that's fine because it's not his so you know what it so shang chi right that's shang chi yeah that's that's dope is that that green flip the whole project it was probably a white guy it was all asian stuff isn't it i get boys ████ it no i just tried i just tried i didn't ████ speak chinese i think it's it's you got to look at each context right and the motive because because some people are what do you call it like the the the fraud race peoples like like yeah like they pretend that they're black but they're actually born white or whatever well that one lady rachel dolezal that's right and then so like what it does is it hurts the movement because it's like like you're an asian activist you're not even asian you're born white and then when they find out that you

5:53 were a fraud then even if you did dope ████ yeah it kind of discredits everything but it's really good for only fans though rachel dolezal's only fans is killing it yeah yeah what type of content is a great question there's different things on there she stays black on all me yeah see i don't want to see her ████ tell him i wasn't lying and she kept her braids let's see that ████ 5.99 a month it's hard to see it but yeah oh no but it says duty she has the only fans thankfulness thursday oh where you buy stuff off of her wishes does only fantastic wow she wild dude

6:44 but yeah she says she'll do um yeah you can take pictures of her or she'll she'll just do whatever you want all right so three dudes uh writing as a as a did they explain like why they chose that what like what their motive was um they just said that they wanted to write this book and that they um it's not lost on anybody that somebody um who who could exist who wrote this book basically like what was their motive of choosing like a female writer instead of like a male writer's name or like that's what i'm saying that's why i'm like that's interesting i feel like that's like a marketing thing think about it it's female spanish are they what's their origin like well they're just it's funny because they say in an interview with the real authors following the revelation um they reported it's not lost on anyone that the idea of a university professor and

7:34 mother of three who teaches algebra classes in the morning and in the afternoon writes novels of savage and macabre violence it has a good marketing operation oh so the contrast of a woman who's writing these crazy thriller novels is like well that's interesting yeah oh okay it's a total angle yeah yeah so again i pose the same question is there not a potential problem in this somewhere i mean i see a problem because then why couldn't they have just helped a lady who is a single mom and going through the same process why couldn't they have helped her out because a real single mom can't write a book yeah that's probably wrong they accurately in the book they actually described that no in the book they actually because the book is about a woman who's a detective who's going through this and also she has her period a lot are you ████ not every child

8:24 uh every chapter is a different month i think i read this book and then as she was chasing the suspect yeah she was chasing the suspect the suspect was a female 2 and their period synced up oh my gosh so they both had to chill out yeah they kept buying like tampons so they knew each other's weaknesses yeah stoop so that she followed the different cvs's that she went to to ████ buy tampons they would just bump into each other at self-checkout all the time i was like this should win on board guess what it did so we were right and the haters were wrong and everybody who judged and gave the award they're all women but then once they gave the award they're like actually we're all men and they said no we're kidding we actually are just old dudes that's a love there he is yeah yeah

9:14 you're right there's no problem here it's a great feel-good story reading it then i felt good reading it now should we all read the book is there controversy though like yeah yeah of course so are they like yeah is it is it like is it like you the basic argument but uh yeah it's like you you shouldn't pretend to be a woman when you're not yeah well beyond using a female pseudonym these guys spent years doing interviews it's not just the name it's the fake profile they use to like take these people and build a fan base with it it's just that they like and the sob story yeah yeah yeah yeah just sell books you know did they use a photo of an actual woman to represent the name uh it doesn't say that they did no i don't see it because how could you become popular famous and not get googled to see what you look like or

10:04 have a profile huh show me a picture of banksy hey show me a picture of a kenja dude without the ████ mask steve just just once just an adult conversation this guy [Music] you

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