0:00 [Music] Okay, this is a real question cuz I would like to actually know, but what could vegans possibly do to convince you to stop eating meat? Stop talking about it. Stop talking. That's like Morgan Freeman about racism. He's like, "Stop talking about it." If they can cook for me every day. They have to cook for you? Yeah, cuz maybe they do it better. I mean, what's something they could say to you? Or like Or how could they like how do That's how they could convince me. It is good. Okay, for example, if you've ever had Indian vegetarian or vegan Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's bomb. Chinese Buddhist food? Vegetarian? Fire. They know how to do it. Yeah. If you know how to do it, but you'll never make a steak. So, just deal with it and cope harder. Mhm. Right? Like stop You made
0:52 jackfruit steak or whatever you think it is. It's not a steak. Yeah. But you But do you think in the future vegans will be fine with like lab-grown meats that are like healthier, and tastier? That's what I want to know. Cuz it's it's coming. I What the vegans I know are not okay with lab-grown meat. Well, they're square. But isn't it more like a um It's a lifestyle like a It's like a philosophy, right? So, it's not It's not like a diet choice. Cuz there are some vegans that don't even like eating vegetables that simulate meat. Oh, jeez. Because then you're simu- you're simulating the brutality that You know what I mean? up. I swear that's like a real thing. Yeah, it's a real God, you're so bored. How boring is your life? Cuz their whole thing is like I'mma try to convince you by showing you that this is animal slavery and all that, right? And I'll be like, "I don't give a f███."
1:43 They'll never win my heart that way, ever. It won't work. I think for me the only way that I would be convinced is A, like you said, if they're not talking about it and I'm jealous of how happy they are and they're not letting me in on the secret. Curiosity peaks because they're not talking about it. You know what I mean? Like if If I saw a group of people that were happy as ████ and they loved their life and they weren't wanting to tell me what the trick was and I found out it was veganism, then I would do it. That's true cuz what makes me love to roast vegans is how like how forceful they are, how obnoxious they are. They're like Westboro ████ Baptist Church. They have to try to force their beliefs down your throat. They call you They And they all seem so upset. And like Westboro, they can twist any conversation into vegan stuff. It's like we're talking about something random. Like we're talking about Star Wars. Like Star Wars is for ████ And I'm like, "Jesus, dude. Why?"
2:34 You love the Westboro people. Oh, I don't like how they make it their personality. I don't like how they preach it. It's like that whole scene, they're obnoxious, man. Yeah. But I I think you're right. It's It's kind of like Let's say you see this church and everyone's really having a great time and they're solid people and every single person you meet out of this church are just like You guys are good ████ folks. Yeah. And I'm like, "Yeah, I'll actually hang out with you." Yeah. It's kind of And if they have cool data, right? If like If there's like They're like been really cool and they're they're super happy and then you like try to go learn about them cuz you're curious and they're like, "Yeah, nobody here dies of cancer. Everybody lives to 120." Like the Amish. Everybody's got six-packs. You're just like, "Wait a minute. I'm kind of curious." It's got to be like outside in versus like them forcing you. Cuz that's how I feel about the Spartan community. If you've ever done a Spartan
3:25 race everyone's so ████ friendly, dude. Like you get cramps and ████ every person would stop by and be like, "Bro, I got some salt. You need this? Do you need a mustard packet?" And like I just thought after one race, you're like, "Oh, I love this ████ I'mma keep doing it." Everybody's boosting each other over the obstacles. Everyone's, yeah. So, it's like it's kind of got that inviting space where like, "Oh, dude. This I want to do." Vegan? From the moment Man, I remember going to a vegan coffee shop and I was asking questions about the ████ brownie that they had cuz I was curious and the barista ████ was like trying to like, "It's vegan. It's like Don't even worry about it. There's no animal products in there." And I I didn't even ask that ████ I said, "Is there nuts in it?" Cruelty-free. Yeah, she was just being a ████ and I was like, "Damn, dude. Why are vegans so ████ mean?" I was asking was cuz there's a huge
4:15 story that there was this one vegan restaurant that was having trouble surviving because not enough people were eating there. So, they decided to implement also meat-based products on the side. So, like that way more people could eat at this restaurant. But because they did that, all their vegan customers protested and and decided to boycott them and the the restaurant went under. Cuz it's not just a diet, right? It's a whole religion. Like it's It's like they're protesting against something. Yeah. I think that's I think that's the difference. So, they were cuz they were trying to be more inclusive in order to like make it as a restaurant. Their own consumer base destroyed them. Plus a couple years ago, I remember all the tuberscums, everyone watched some documentary and then it like every tuberscum like was like, "I'm trying vegan." And whatever. And then they all just slowly destroyed each other by the peerism the purity
5:05 test. Cowspiracy. They all were doing the purity test on each other and like they were all, you know, when they're watching each other's videos now, they're like "Is that a leather bag?" Or whatever. It turned into like just We're going to eat each other alive and they slowly picked each other off until everyone gave up. Right. It was the best. a restaurant down my street called Zinc and it was only vegan. Did not survive. Got Got Got bought out by a Korean company. Um And now it's Korean barbecue? No, it's just It's just burgers, sandwiches, meat, and everything and it's busier. Now it's way busier. Same thing with Kevin Hart's house. Kevin Hart's burger vegan burger place. It went under, right? Did it already? like the It was like the first came out. I know. It was like the first drive-thru like vegan fast food, wasn't it? I'm not quite sure. They were in Hollywood and stuff? I heard of it. But I would never believe
5:55 veganism or vegetarian is actually healthy cuz after my roommate my old roommate passed away, you know what I'm saying? And she was pure vegetarian and she still had stomach cancer and everything. It's hard to say. It's hard to say what's healthier in that regard Is healthy just how many years until you die? Like what really is it? Is it really about health or is it more about animal like slavery and ████ the way that they You know, like I think there's levels to it. There's definitely levels. 100% animal cruelty. Not the health. For health. But yeah, just because it's vegan food Some vegan food is not healthy at all. Vegan doesn't mean healthy. Kevin Smith. Big-time ████ food guy. Like ate every ████ type of food and drank milk. And then he went vegan after that heart attack and he just does it because
6:45 of health reasons. Health reasons, yeah. Yeah. It It could work for you. Well, I know that in the like the original OG vegans, they ate whole foods. But the new school vegans, they all just eat ████ They eat sausages and ████ It's like, "What?" So, they're still eating processed and like They're not It's not healthy. It's just not meat products. So, I don't know about if Maybe maybe a health claim if there's a true health claim behind it and it's real, I probably could get behind it. But even then, if you were eating whole foods, like whole Yeah, I ate meat. Like organic meats and stuff like that's also But like let's say a new study comes out and it finds out that like meat is actually bad for you and all this stuff and then going vegan is the best thing. And like you said, like it'll it'll your everyone
7:37 in this community survive for a hundred something years. They They're healthy. They don't have any ailments or whatever. I I'd be convinced. Yeah. Here's the crazy part, though. If like all my friends and family eat meat and die at like 75 and then like I only choose to go vegan, but I could live to 140, am I just living without my friends and family for like half of my life? Cuz then I'm like, "F███ it. I just die at the same time." But from 90 to 140, you probably look the same. So, like 140, brother, I'd be like, "I'm out of here, dude." Yeah. That's what That's the thing that we were just saying. We were like That's why you have kids. You live for your kids. You want to make sure you can see a big happy family. That's the whole point of living that long. If you're going to live that long for no reason, then ████ just die already. If at 140, you probably see great great grand great great So, none of the None like none of the animal cruelty
8:27 sentiment resonates with you at all? Nah. At all. Do you like that Okay, like for example, if you could buy regular eggs or cage-free eggs, do you care? Oh, yeah, yeah. Well You know, I I try my best cuz I don't want to get something that's full of ████ up like Like it's going to It's harmful. It is unhealthy. Right? And then so yeah, like And if they're raised in the way where it's they're full of diseased and they're like zombie chickens and ████ if it's disgusting. So, yeah, I wouldn't choose that at all. Pasture. Pasture. I I care about that. I care about that stuff for sure. It's But it's I I have to admit it's It's not so much um it maybe feels selfish. It's like eating like corned beef, right? And how they talk about like, "Oh, this cow had a really good life and we massaged it and it drank beer and and it was like fat
9:18 and happy." It's like, "I'm glad that cow was happy for me to taste a better meat." It's not like, "Damn, I'm glad that cow was happy." Just to feel less guilty? Yeah. I'm like Now it tastes better. You're telling me a happier animal's going to taste better? Do you Do you check every time that you go to a place to eat where they used eggs in the ingredients of what you ordered? No. Nobody does that. So, it's only when you buy the egg yourself. Right. That's interesting. Cuz that's the whole point. I mean, that's for us the whole point was just to control what we eat in at our own house. Yeah, and everything is like just you know, in just the way that you have self-control with stuff. You can indulge in everything. Everybody ████ knows McDonald's french fries are not going to be healthy for you. Right. But like every now and then them every day. Yeah, just ████ enjoy the ████ out of it, you know? You know how monks, like you can't not
10:09 accept food? Like if Yeah, right here. It's against the It's against the traditional thing. So, if I'm out to eat and they use like like caged as ████ animals You know, I got to I got to eat it. Caged as ████ Yeah, I got to eat it. It doesn't matter. They're warning you. I'm like I'm not going Can I Sorry, can I look at your animal practices? I'm like, "Oh yeah, they're caged as ████ They ████ are sad." And I'm like, "Okay, thank you." We have to disclose that this animal went through torturous methods in order to be butchered. a bad life. Does that make it taste better? See, exactly. They got that adrenochrome, dude. That ████ fear fear drug, yeah. Usually usually, so I've seen, it makes it taste worse. Yeah. All the cortisol It's only it's only the the the children or whatever that the Clintons eat or whatever that conspiracy is. That's where it tastes better. Yeah. Wait, so say that again. The actual adrenochrome makes it taste worse?
10:59 In animals, that's what I've seen. Like like when they're when they're like wrought with fear before like their death type stuff. That's why everything usually happens like instantane- supposedly allegedly instantaneously or like like like the Kobe beef stuff like they're in a state of happiness. Yeah. Or it messes with the grain of the meat, right? Even. The marbling? That's why you just eat spam. Don't matter how they died. They fire. There you go. It's like eating sludge. I love spam. It's so good. I love spam. Spam's delicious. But it's also like one cube of spam this much is like 2,000 ████ grams of sodium. That's why you just spam light, so it's only 1,000 grams of sodium. 25% less sodium, yeah. Or just go on a run, dog. It's also like a Spam is all isn't that also like a choice favorite of like the top five
11:49 fattest islands on the planet? Yeah. see that. I I think if Polynesian the Samoans If I were to be convinced, it's um it would probably be something about the how the industry is so destructive not only to the health of people, but for like the environment and everything. And if it's not just some like skewed sta- statistics and ████ up ████ Like if it's actually something that's like maybe we can improve those industries, but I wouldn't completely rule out me. Like you can improve an industry and make it healthy. But without it being excessive, you know? Cuz then like there's a lot of waste too. Like sometimes they have to kill like a ton of ████ animals and just throw them away cuz the whole uh flock gets ████ sick or something. That's the other thing about the vegan stuff. It's like when they plow a field
12:39 like to to get, you know, whatever you're getting for your salad or whatever it is, they're killing so much ████ rodents and all kinds of ████ like that. chain is still going to have that going on. Even the even the amount of food and water that it takes to like even just sustain an area where you're producing vegetables, there's always going to be like a cost. But the thing is I just I just wish Yeah, I just wish they did if veganism truly is the better choice, I just wish they did reverse marketing. The kind that makes it look like they have a secret and they're not telling you. I feel like everything reverse marketing is better. Dude, Chick-fil-A's eat more chicken campaign is really strong. And that's reverse marketing. there's billboards of cows. Yeah. It just feels like the overshoot marketing with like kind of like what happened to trans rights. It's like even if they're you can't argue with them logically that like yes, I would like people to have rights, but the way you're ████ going
13:29 about it makes it feel like I shouldn't go your way. Yeah, like I have to Yeah, it's like why are you marketing it that way? That's what it is. It's just someone telling you what to do. Would piss me off. So, I will completely do the opposite because you told me to do it. You should not, I'm doing it right away. I don't give a ████ Like like a vegan person going, "You're a murderer. You murderer." It's like that's how you think you win people over. work. It's like it's like like I said, taking over freeways, you're not convincing anybody. You're just feeling good about yourself. Yeah, it's really bad. I'm actually like I want to save animals and all that stuff, right? But when I see a vegan, I want to sacrifice a cow in front of them. And I walk around with a cow just to for the moment when I meet a vegan, I can ████ slit its throat in front of them. But Joe, I'll hold the back leg for you. Yeah, it's all blessed up.
14:19 Even the ████ where it's like But the thing is we're going to eat every part of the cow afterwards, okay? It's not just murder. You know it. Even the thing where it's like you're you're grilling outside and some vegan wants to give you ████ cuz you're grilling out. I'm like, "Come on, dude. You guys are just so ████ annoying." You know what my theory is of why they're so obnoxious? Is I think they're so nutrient deficient and they're hungry that they're like hangry and ████ frustrated. That's what it is. selling point like this vegan meal will give you 45 grams of protein. Like quality protein. Like I can't think of any other There's not too many other causes out there where the thing they're doing is locking people into never being vegan no matter what. You know what I mean? Like the way they come at Yeah, yeah. Like the way that they've come at you has now guaranteed you will never be vegan. It's like reverse propaganda. It's crazy. Like that's like you you would think like can't you take a a macro look at what you're what's
15:09 happening here and be like, "Oh ████ we're actually creating more permanent meat eaters." It's what just happened with the women in sports stuff. Like when Trump just passed that bill saying like no you can't have you can't be a man playing a biological male doing female sports. I guess five years ago the country was like 10% more likely to favor like allowing um biological males in women's sports. And now it went 10% the other way. So, like 70% people are against it because like you said, they're just marketing that this ████ sucks. Getting in everyone's face calling them a transphobe or whatever. Doesn't work at all. It actually radicalizes people the other way. Like in the beginning everyone does have sympathy and they're like, "You know what? We should give them a chance." And then And then that's like they ████ up so hard. It's like we always say it it's it's very much similar to sales. It could be a better product than what you have. If they send you an ████ you're not
15:59 going to buy it. Doesn't matter what it is. The person championing the idea like if you don't like that person Dude, that's exactly That's what happened. When you know when Netflix was just like not Netflix, but NextShark was everyone was complaining about the trans actor in the season 2 of Squid Game. Oh oh yeah, uh-huh. They're complaining about him and saying, "I can't believe this this whoopty whoopty whoop." And I was just like, "You know what? I'm going to watch it cuz everyone's complaining about it now." I watched it and I was like, "Dude, it wasn't even That character is dope. It was dope. It was a dope ass character. It's a great character. Well portrayed and he's just insanely good. Awesome character, yeah. And here's the thing though, in that in the way that they're portraying that character, in the show people are giving that character ████ and then coming around versus that character giving people ████ for not recognizing something about it. around logically. Where it's not like coming around just to teach a lesson.
16:49 But also very culturally coming It was culturally coming around the like the grandmas, you know, teasing him at the end of the day. But in a such a realistic way. But you know what I'm saying? Him not being offended, he was just like, "Oh, I'm used to it." You know what I mean? So, it's just like it's it was a good movie. that's that's a that's a really good example of that. But then like when me and Smacker watching it, I was telling her about like I was like, "You know like in the '90s Filipino movies had trans characters and didn't even address it in the story cuz it's because it's ████ normal. And they didn't have to make it a a turn of phrase or like a coming There was no hero's journey for that character. It just happens to be a trans character. That's a really good point cuz Hawaii was the same. Hawaii there's hell of trans way before now, you know. We call them mahus or whatever. But we never they never made it a big deal. They they
17:40 never said we are this so you got to know. They didn't ask you for nothing either. Yeah, and half the and half the mahus and trans are big ass big ass dudes. And you ain't going to say ████ to them. I don't want to get beat up. You just let it happen. I don't know why it's such a big issue now. That's why I feel like it could be like that where like maybe there's going to be a correction where a lot of these things that people got turned off from and started hating because of how it was pushed in them. They could just let things be and it's all good. Well, there's also everything's like time and momentum though. So, like for example, I I could at least empathize on the idea that like maybe like in this trans example like they exist everywhere, but they'd be down for more recognition or rights or acknowledgement, but until a movement kind of starts to happen, everybody's just like, "Oh, I guess this is just what it is." And then a movement kind of gets pushed and it's their time to like speak. And then there's just momentum
18:31 that's built. And maybe a couple bad eggs, you know, go so far that it radicalizes people's mentality in a in a negative way, but like I can understand like a moment that people will stand behind. It's like when like Asians started getting beat up, you know what I'm saying? Like suddenly all these Asian people started being like, "Yo, like Asians about" And it's like, "Okay, well some people are like how about we teach everybody to fight?" And then some people are just like, "I can't believe this is happening." You know, it's like it just happened to be a moment is all. And sometimes like that'll happen, you know? It's not to say that they didn't care or like they were totally docile and fine with it. I think it was just like a moment that like sometimes you got to try and run with the momentum and sometimes people will make it worse. The best analogy that I ever ran into in life was that it nobody hated U2 more than when they forced themselves into your iTunes. Oh yes, exactly. But before that, you
19:22 just let them be. You didn't think about them. They weren't a problem. And now when you see U2, you hate them. I hate them. Yeah, but they probably struck a sick deal, didn't they? Yeah. no idea. I hope they got paid like crazy. But they were already like top of the top, so it didn't really matter. But then they forced themselves into your iTunes. And remember how that felt? it. No, honestly, I was infuriated. Excellent. Exactly. Yeah, you're like, "F███ these guys now." But then it's like but their music you had no problem with it prior to that. No. And they were giving you something. They were like, here's a free album. Like, hey, here you go for free. And it's like, yeah, I want this on my ████ No. Yeah. Did anybody like that? I never heard one person say they liked liked it. It was a huge disaster. They never did it again. And I was going to set the every single time you open it. It was supposed to set a new business model of promotion, and it they never went back to that. Yeah, thank god. tried that, yeah.
20:12 Cuz it was forced. It was forced, yeah. Nobody wants that. turn it off. I think that's the thing is you can't turn it off, you can't walk away. It's forced. Reverse publicity, yeah. hate it. Yeah, bad marketing, yeah. That's why there's I I feel bad that like my opinion probably isn't as I guess like I don't even know if I really don't like the things I don't like, because I've been sent so many bad messengers for them. Imagine thinking that you're so tight though, that everyone's going to you're you're going to give your ████ to everybody, and they're going to be like, thank you so much. Like, you have to think you're so tight. That's the funniest thing to me is like they have no self-awareness, where they don't even know how to have a conversation and convince people. Everyone around them was like, this is such a good idea. Oh my god, you guys are geniuses. This is brilliant. Oh my god. Every single person. And then everyone at Apple was like, this is so tight. Yeah. But there's a certain personality that like to attach themselves to different movements, like just stop oil, veganism, whatever it is,
21:05 right? Yeah. And there's a type of person that loves People who lack purpose. Yeah, like and they hi- they hijack the movement. Yeah. And they become the loudest proponent of the movement, and it actually drowns out people that have been working ████ years. And then like some ████ TikTok idiot kid that'll talk about some culture ████ and then like they don't even consult the actual organiza- organizations and the people in that movement. Right. They just kind of say, well, this is my thing now. And it's like And I think there's a lot of that, too. Like what happened, you know, with with the whole woke ████ You had a bunch of pseudo-intellectuals and ████ idiots that literally hijacked legitimate things that lieutenants going out to the world, yeah. And you know what? If if a bunch of just stop oil people took a can of chicken or
21:56 a tomato soup, and they threw it on a trans kid, I'd be like, dude, I ████ hate these just stop oil people. You know what I mean? Like then you could you could get all these people who are on that side of like of like this trans people are kind of annoying me lately, to be like, nah, ████ these stop just stop oil people. You got to stick up for these trans kids, dude. You can reverse anything. The enemy of my enemy is my of my enemy is my friend.
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