0:00 you want to know the coolest thing that happened on my way here so I was flying down to 15 go how fast Li 120 self incriminated say to his face say it to his face yeah he saw it still within the statute of limitations still within the I was going 120 and you're smoking a [Music] j all right in this episode we have with us Lieutenant Aram Cho hey hi we are going to go around the room and you are going to ask him the hottest craziest question that you've always wanted a cop to answer truthfully ooh no more of these little baby Curiosities okay ask the real he says he's an open book let's put it to the test you ever seen the movie End of Watch that's that's it yes great movie what a way to send it I wanted to know
0:52 that too that was going to be my question in the movie that there's a scene where they they start throwing down they just scrap with the guy he was trying to arrest off his belt yeah has that happened to you i' I've been asked people they're like hey take off your take off your badge take off you're nothing without your badge and gun and you know I was young I started the job when I was 23 years old so yeah I I got baited into it and you threw down with a guy I cannot say that's tight like have you ever been invited for a hand to hand and went all right let's go I was thinking about that a security guard or I don't know if he was a cop or security guard they threw down hand to hand yeah oh I have I have a question so the rumor has it in LASD Sheriff's Department there are cop gangs are you familiar with if there are cop gangs or not or you could even just wink
1:44 or smile or look at the ceiling so yeah so how grounded are those rumors so the definition of a gang is two or more people that are combined under a same symbol or sign whose intent is to commit crimes okay or or terrorize a neighborhood so under that definition did that exist no but were there groups of individuals that made clicks right absolutely uh any workplace you go into there's clickish groups and because they're cops and they're clicks they like hey you can't be that you can't be that and so people automatically assume that because these guys were out and they happened to be part of the same click and they got into a fight or you know they they covered up for an officer that now they're thuggish they're gangsters I get called Thug all the time people if you go to my page and look at the comments you know the only good cop is a dead cop you know they don't know me that's does that hurt I'm desensitized to it now but when I was
2:35 new I'm like dude you don't know me you know I you don't know if I do a good job or not and unfortunately we had a few bad apples and maybe one or two of those apples were part of of groups that people said hey you're you're a click you're a gang and that's how that came AP yeah but no I mean the gang is a way different thing than maybe a group of of idiot cops right here's my question you don't have to answer as if this is your own personal opinion but what is the general sentiment from police officers about Derek schin and the George Floyd situation oo yeah that's a good question yeah that's a that was one I mean they talk about it um you know I so I I my side job I'm an ajun professor at Cal Baptist I teach uh strategic communication so I have a lot of young students that know I'm a cop and they ask and they asked about that as it was happening and it's a very complicated one because the facts are um George
3:27 Floyd died from massive um cardio uh overload he was on drugs uh was it exacerbated by being in the situation that he was in absolutely I'm not a medical professional but I can tell you if you're excited and uh you under the influence of stimulant your heart's going to do some really bad things fentanyl right I'm not sure I'm not uh it was I believe the autopsy said fentanyl in his system at least and um secondly on top of that um if you've got an officer who casually just has his knee on someone's neck while his hands are in his pocket optically it looks bad we know now that it was part of their approved Department policy to do that uh maybe not on the neck but the upper shoulder area and but the hand in the pocket was weird it is weird right and uh optically it didn't look good um
4:18 ultimately it ended how it ended and and so it's Up For Debate so uh how it affected the rest of law enforcement is we had a very especially when PCP was prevalent the only way to get those guys to stop fighting is to do a Kate restraint and we stop the blood flow and they're out and that g us enough time to handcuff them we cannot do anything around the neck anymore and and you know being Jiu-Jitsu practitioners we know how effective that hold can be you know something that is a seat belt hold is not around the neck but it looks like it so optically it looks bad and it really handicapped our ability to effectively restrain somebody uh espec you can't even do a seat belt like you have someone's back you can't even go if you do it you got to put the verbiage on there I'm not choking you I'm holding your body and your shoulder you know you got yeah and and that will and stop resisting and I'll let go um seot doesn't even do anything it's just the over under what about with the wrist Rod
5:08 you know what mean or they screaming I can't breathe I can't breathe for a minute at a time it's obviously you can CU you have to inhale to get that words out little known fact optically it looks bad you know what my Dr instruct say in in boot camp people would be drowning in the pool and like I'm drowning I can't breathe like if you can talk you can breathe ████ that's what they would say d yeah it's a good rule yeah it's a it's a it's a tough one yeah publicly um you know uh people that don't know you know not everybody's a medical examiner not everybody's a physician not everybody's a police officer so optically it looks bad and public perception is a giant component of this of this job yeah so in um for El Monty who what race commits the most crime and you can just point in here too um so so crime does not discrimin right
6:00 every every you know my father-in-law was in prison my dad was in jail um and they're two different completely complete races but when you look at statistics and you'll say Alman which is predominantly Hispanic um and um when you have a majority in One race they're going to appear this pure number-wise that they're going to commit the most crimes right conversely it makes our job really hard because we have something called Ripa in California we have to racially identify anybody we stop we have to document it right yeah yeah well almania you pull over a ton of Hispanics well hold on let me tell you Alman tell that's like Mony Park and going can't you find any white people and it's like no there's like three white families so it's kind of a hard question to answer if you're asking specifically on numbers it's going to be skewed towards whoever the greater
6:51 demographic is is it does is that true for most cities yeah absolutely um you know it's CRI crime is perpetrated by the demographic um um that's every the 100% but the majority of that demographic is going to appear to be committing the majority of the crimes what about Silicon Valley I have no clue it's white guys it's white guys white color proba Indian Arcadia have like more Asians yeah absolutely yeah San Gabriel alhamra Montery Park um you know like um if you go to some communities they virtually have zero Asian gang problem but if you go to the sang Valley the Asian crime T crazy how that works so in our early 2000s Asian gangs were huge thing it was everywhere you go to Every boba shop and you could see rival gangs and all that stuff has the Asian gang activity
7:44 increased now or cuz I don't I just don't see people like banging on the streets or hitting people up or anything is it higher or lower than before uh I would say it's uh higher uh it's higher now wow but you don't see it because it's morphed right so when I was part of the Asian gang task force we would go to bowling alleys ktvs and they were there I wonder if you grabbed us back in the day well I mean you would you would stop a guy that looks like a school boy and he has a USC UCLA ID but they're fully blasted right when they take off their shirt um but but what's happening now I say crimes increased because there's more opportunities now so they're not doing Street crimes so much that they're doing massage parlor um drug running illegal gambling houses they'll rent full-blown 4,000 ft mcmansions and you would never know that there's uh slot machines roulette table poker tables and R running illegal send me a link to that
8:35 yeah um grow house sounds so much more fun than our era sounds so fun and then credit cards umed card fraud yeah credit card Fraud's huge and they're doing it all from computers when you break into or when you guys like I guess entered into one of these houses it does it like blow your mind that like holy ████ any house on the street could be one of these things or yeah at first it did surprise me the first time for anything new it's going to surprise you right but the the the amount of repetition kind of inoculates you to it and so you just you're desensitized to it so I'm not surprised now when I hear you know a lot of these calls that come in are hey identity theft identity theft idty theft and cards the what do they call those yeah the card swapping machines yeah the fake ones the spoofing so have you noticed a a huge shift into more like cyber crimes and stuff oh and and crimes
9:27 where they're they are low on punishment um so they'll you know they'll pull the the the power they'll from Edison right and they'll straight pipe it into the house that's a for grow op yeah for grow Ops and they'll do ballast and and grow operations and um they won't even be there they'll hire laborers to go in there and I'm just I just got paid to water I got paid to clip I get and then so those guys will get in trouble and because they have such a low level involvement in it they get they're out in like 15 20 days is that slang when they get paid in water what is that one sorry you said they get paid in water oh to water to F literally yeah to literally water I like what the ████ is that sick ass slang bro what up guys thank you for watching us for so long if you like what we do please support our patreon Joe tell them what we have to offer so every week you get two videos one never released director's cut and another one too hot for YouTube patreon
10:19 only every freaking week you get that and you get access to our Discord where you can come chat with us and ask us questions that become episodes here cuz we're going to answer them from and we're going to take it seriously and we want to give you the responses that you want so come stay connected with us join our patreon click the description below for full details um okay my question and you have to answer it yeah I've answered every question so far yeah it's killing it I resent the finger pointing some you've done some dancing you've done some dancing can you police brutality him no no no please please don't please don't uh speed traps how legit are they and and how about uh Speed Ticket quotas end of the month quotas Is that real ████ speed traps um I've been a victim of them I've seen I I don't they're not set up by cops first of all the people that put signs speed signs are City Engineers they're not even Furthest
11:09 Thing from a cop so I hate it when I'm driving 45 milph and then you have a section that's 25 and then 45 again those are what people commonly refer to as speed traps yes oh right got hit nerve on with one and as cops and you see that it's like yeah I'm going to stop them right cuz if I have to abide by that so should you and a lot of times the what people don't know is the purpose of a citation is to educate when a cop gives it to you it's to educate the punishment is dealt by the judge we don't do any punishment it feels like punishment CU nobody wants to receive a yeah it feels like a punishment but a lot of times depending on your interaction they'll stop you on something like that go hey okay I see you live down the street you probably didn't know that the speed changes here and instead of you going you stop me for no re I didn't speed okay you're getting a ticket that's what I say yeah but good yeah there's been several times where I get let go and then they're just like be
11:59 careful yeah purpose is we want to know if you got it or not we want to know that after you leave after we leave if you're going to get it and sometimes people that we feel don't get it they're going to get the ticket so that the judge can make sure they get they get it you want to know the coolest thing that happened on my way here so I was flying down to 15 go how fast 12 self incriminated to his face say it to his face yeah he saw it stillin the statute of limitations still within the St I was going 120 and then and you're smoking a j yeah yeah yeah tricking smoking and when I'm driving I'm searching for cop cars everywhere right cuz I'm like I don't know what they're going to do yeah cuz you got that radar detector yeah yeah yeah yeah you got that police scer they're not going to give me a good time I forgot that Nevada Highway Patrol also has F-150s so as I'm going there's a silver
12:49 one right there and I'm like oh ████ what he does is gets in front of me and then turns his lights on and I was like ████ is that is that him slowing me down so he can get behind me so I was a ████ so I break down to 65 ditch all your Del Taco litter out the window so I started going I'm like he's going to pull mil for sure and then he did it and I was I think that was just him telling me slow down boy this was like yeah this was like 5 6 a.m. Highway Patrol state troopers they were like automatic yeah I think he was just like letting me know like slow the ████ down and then I'm like dude he thought you had a nice truck I was driving my wife's car oh never mind I was like dude that was the is the what about speed ticket quotas end of the month so quas are illegal so yeah I know they're illegal but I don't know so like you know I can tell you how many I don't write tickets even as a
13:39 patrol officer I only did it if I needed to most of the time 90 95% of the time if I pull somebody over and they have good attitude I'm letting them go it's a pain in the I don't want to go to court on my day off I don't want to go to court yeah especially as far as I live I don't want to drive in just for one hour day off you go yeah and um so most cops feel the same way unless you're a State Trooper or so that's why most of my tickets have in Highway Patrol and that's her job that's her primary function right is traffic is traffic they do great traffic accident investigations and vehicle code we want to we want to do crime we want to catch the bad guys right so yeah but those guys are they doing the quots thing at the end of the month like they have to get a certain are the highway patrol guys are they no legitimately no they're just really like they're that's they they live for that how come I always get a ticket on like the 28th and they're
14:29 always ████ hiding in the bushes and ████ that's like like just like like me I'm not a high Patrol guy I'm a street cop or I was a street cop yeah I mean we we lived for the foot foot chase or the pursuit right or getting yeah we we live for for that stuff they live action movie people that go to CHP you know they they're one of the few liveinms they're like a boot camp right you live there you go up to Sacramento you live in the academy and they brainwash you like you love traffic you will memorize every vehicle code K window is bad you know and they write other cops tickets as a result you know um so it's just ingrained in them it's it's not a quota thing defund Highway [Laughter] Patrol but but there need I mean if you would if they didn't if they weren't an entity and people were doing whatever they wanted I mean you'd have a lot more
15:20 deaths out there and I'd have a lot more money just just a few less patrol cars that's all so I know like not all dep departments are standardized there's like it's like a company right every different one has a different culture leadership whatever right I saw this one recently I don't know if it was like the sherff of Florida or whatever but they're just like you come here we're going to shoot remember those guys are those guys are cool yeah he had a white shirt yeah I think so and then so I'm like they always got the criminal in the background handcuffed yeah and some of them are just more like they don't play the rules of what the politicians want them to do and they'll just go Rogue you see that mostly with sheriffs because they're elected right so they politicians or I believe that was in Florida yeah was Florida where's the difference between a police officer we're in municipality the sheriff is uh the chief is appointed right we have the
16:12 same job same Powers but the sheriff isn't elected he's the head so he can be he can Pander to his audience so if you live in a conservative area where it's like yeah we want everybody you're going to say that zero toing but at a PD the chief is at will the chief is at the will of the city council it's whatever the city council wants for their City that makes sense so they're a little bit more careful with what they say so some like Elman PD or Arcadia or whatever they are kind of um hired by the city elected officials yeah oh yeah they're appointed and then so sheriffs we vote them in oh okay okay okay and then so so it's harder for your Chief to go I don't want to do that to the politicians and say and do their own thing yeah I mean so sadly at will right so um if they're not in a position where they can be
17:02 without a job they may have to compromise right and you pick and choose your battles at that point whereas if you're the sheriff it's like his bosses they don't have a city council they have a County Board of Supervisors which is essentially the same but they were elected just like every one of them they have no power to vote them out or anything like that so he's very secure in his job and can be more a little outspoken cool have you ever jokingly arrested a buddy for like his birthday or some ████ like so what happens I watch a lot of cot movies sorry what happens desk poops yes yes like the politicians have their own agenda and then the city cops don't feel like it's in the best interest of the community how does that kind of internal battle go down cuz if a sheriff can just be like nah forget this all you guys uh we're going to take care of the Community First it's not about quota and politics it's about you know whatever oh that actually happened with um the Riverside
17:53 County Sheriff remember during Co they were like shutting down all gyms uh buildings whatever and then the sheriff came out and he was like I'm not going to enforce that yeah and that's a I was going to actually answer that way that the great parallel to that is um when cities said hey we're going to administratively site businesses for staying open we're like we're not going to do that you know um that's and as long as like as long as you are not doing anything illegal unethical or immoral you can defy an order I will never follow an order if it's illegal unethical or immoral and that's where most cops are but Trump has immunity now so if Trump told you to murder somebody you'd have to do it so that's a funny thing about and and and California went through that we went through sb2 two years ago where they're saying California cops have qualified immunity oh my gosh somehow people took qualif the word qualified and make it blanket
18:43 we're we don't have blanket we've never had blanket immunity and the president's never had blanket immunity it's qualified immunity meaning if it qualifies you to be immune if it wasn't illegal unethical or immoral then you qualify left that whole part out but it's not like saying I can shoot somebody and you know no I had to be justified in my shooting right uh and then I then I'm immune from that it um it's still going to go to trial but um I have certain uh ability the immunity means my department has now the ability to back me cuz I don't have money to go against every lawsuit I've been sued millions of times right in the course of my duties I don't have a personal uh attorney on retainer I rely on the city to back me the city will only back me if I qualified for that backing qualified immunity and they'll only qualify for that if I was in the course of my duty
19:33 and it was legal ethical and morally sound yeah that makes more sense I got a two I got a two-parter for you um have you ever had a member of organized crime try to get you in the pocket no but um I think I was groomed what when I was at Men's Central Jail I worked a unit called uh the high power unit so I had all the shot callers in the jail system and Mexican Mafia uh and then and other the other side of that is you had all the noteworthy people like anytime an athlete or an actor went to jail they were in this High part it was the most secured Place actually anytime we had to they were the only inmates anytime we had to walk them from one like to the nursing station or to court the whole jail went on lock down for them so he kind of felt like a badass like oh I work high power um but because you're exposed to them and I wanted to be a good cop I went out of my way to interview every single one of
20:23 them I wanted to be a gang cop so I interviewed them like wait what makes you tick how does the hierarchy work how do you get validated you know all that stuff and they're down to tell tell you yes they love they're so they're so ego driven when you're at that level they're so ego driven like you want to know my story I got you and so you know before you know it I I probably had thousands of interviews done but I'm like oh maybe I I told them because you have you want to build a rapport with them right and so it goes both ways so it's like uh you have to draw the line you have to draw the line somewhere that question is too personal don't ask that you know um what was the question I they may ask you like hey did you grow up around this area and you can't tell them anything because they have friends that work at the DMV they you know anywhere postal they can find information on you as you want so so that yeah so like a cop like me being public on social media that's comes with its risks right but come at me oh ████
21:14 so so how do you think how did you go oh wait a minute you guys are trying to grw me to work for you like when did you go aha um I didn't really first realize that that was a possibility until one of our custody assistants so it was civilian um Jailer yeah civilian worker got arrested for bringing in cigarettes and um he cuz that's like the first level right and then they start giving it more favors more favors were they in his butt were they in his butt no backpack so now now deput oh my bad my my my the jaer does it too other people do but not what was your second part my second part was that has any any uh member of organized crime or any criminal ever threatened a member of your family as a way to get you no but it has happened to other cops there
22:04 the you know you get green lit um DN that's crazy yeah is there a protocol if if something like that were to happen um yeah I mean we utilize all the resources that we have can you Greenlight them back how do I red light this really at the end of the day we're sworn enemies right uh there's really no peace between us uh yeah we you can treat people respectfully and gangsters have a different respect code right it's it's really different hey man I did this cuz I love you you know he jumped you in cuz I love you right makes no sense to me at all I'm the ████ out of you just to bring in my G that was the same type of love my dad gave me but maybe we were all gangsters in our own way everybody's gangster in their own way I think I'm very gangster what's that I don't think I'm very gangster you're a gangster you w in a jersey i' pull I'd pull you over black cat in Jersey um but I don't know
22:55 man you don't go into this if you can't be that naive going to the job thinking that you're you're never going to have that threat yeah right that's why cops carry off duty right um that's why we're super paranoid I made a post about six months ago I talk about hypervigilance it's a real thing um you can't turn it off because when you're when your hyper Vigilant switch is on for 12 hours it doesn't just turn off you can say it all you want no I'm not a cop when off you can no you're still you're you're there subconsciously you're there and that that's why when you're like at Disneyland with your family um and your wife saying something to you and and she's like did you listen to me it's like no I wasn't ignoring you I was staring at something that you didn't pick up on and I'm a dude so I'm not listening anyways have that excuse so I'm want to use that I was thinking about the Roman Empire what was the thing you were going
23:46 to ask oh um have you ever been in a situation where it was like hard like this is your crime scene or whatever and then the the movie scene happens where he's like go get me a coffee this that FBI and like like someone and then someone from different jurisdiction we're taking this case yeah yeah has that ever happened where like someone you bump heads with another yeah you're like whoa these guys just came out of godamn feds so I was in investigations for years and um you know I was a not only a detective I eventually became a detective sergeant and then a detective lieutenant and um that kind of interference usually doesn't happen at the scene it happens at the management level right where you like through a phone call or something yeah it's like hey I need the well no no we're still working I need that now like well you can wait your turn and there's egos right feds jurisdictionally size doesn't necessarily mean power right the
24:37 feds have the entire nation uh State cops have the entire state city cops have the city county cops have the county but that jurisdiction size does not equate to power it might equate to resources so you have to think well the feds have this toy that I need so look I'll give you a little bit of this if you give me a little bit of that so you use leverage we and we we we have officers on every Federal task force you can think of right so feds inherently you know in a requirement to be in the FBI you had to worked in a in a profession for 5 years you have to have a degree and they don't make the most street cops smart so that's why a lot of these task forces use local cops they put them on they call them Task Force officers tfos to supplement their lack of ability yeah and so um we complement each other more often than not but there are those times where we butt heads um but it's not never like in the movie A the feds arrived the feds never arrived
25:28 just they just call so die hard's a bunch of ████ well that was a terrorist thing so on terrorist ones absolutely the Feer R right yeah and they do have jurisdiction and then I knew was still accurate dard is very accurate any one of those stigmas have some truth based behind it would John mlan have been able to leave at the end of the movie there's no ████ way they let him go back then absolutely they can do whatever they want in the 8S they're cowboys back then yipp K cuz at the end of all movies you know how like the cop turns against the cop and he goes Rogue and he ████ everything up and then at the end of the movie they're like see you later buddy yeah realistically they're going to be talking Internal Affairs Blue Streak yeah I'm a federali gets arrested at the end of the movie right in real life he got he has to get arrested you about the Martin lence movie I've never seen it okay but
26:18 Die Hard is a good example he doesn't go home for Christmas no way dude no way he's going to jail he blew up the whole thing he blew he blew up the yaha yaha Jo just a cow Tower Carl Winslow caught him got his ass here's my last question yeah would um if your kid ended up becoming a criminal in some way would what would you do where you knew that you were the only one who knew of his crimes it's like you arrest him or he goes down a path of like and it can't be kill your wife cuz we know that's what you want I can't think of anything cuz you know like the the hardest part about being a criminal is that you have to desensitize yourself to the end user the victim you have to disassociate yourself oh yeah
27:09 you have to be a coldhearted bastard like even even that like the the answer that most people would suspect of me to say would be like a non-violent crime like a white collar crime but man imagine taking everybody's life savings A Single mother's life savings a retired person living off of a fixed ink and wiping out their bank I shook all your money yeah that's evil and I so I I don't know man um but if I put it in Bitcoin and I'm going to get I'll pay him back later yeah I think the only one I would be okay with is like taking advantage of some someone that gained their wealth in an unscrupulous Way by taking advantage of like Robin a drug dealer Robinhood type take from the poor or Rich to give to the poor that's the only type I would be okay with that's pretty cool so what would you like let's say you caught your a kid doing something would you arrest
27:59 him and then take him to home jail and deal with um Dom the Autumn County the arum county way second body or will you take him to the official jail I prob probably depending on what it is right like uh what's that show right now uh oh your honor yeah your honor right yeah crazy yeah that's so the judge his son does a hit and run and runs away from the situation like leaves the kid that he hit to die and the judge goes into that crossroads where he's like I have the power to like fix this myself or or we go to the police St he confesses but it's his own kid it's his own kid yeah yeah I guess that's kind of what I was thinking when I asked you yeah so thank God I'm not a cop cuz I don't have any morals yeah you just hope that you raise good kids right I'm saving his ass yeah you hope it never comes to that and that's also why you have four of them
28:49 too well yeah I have two boys two girls and my older boy um he is the second oldest he's 16 but he thinks he's the man of the house and um he reminds me a lot of me I was a pain in the ass growing up that's why my parents only had me and quit um but my son my older son and I butt heads but there's nothing I would never do for my son with that being said I hope he never I never I teach him the skills and lessons to never put put myself in that position okay and you know early on like with guns for instance you know cops have guns and I learned this lesson from an experienced cop it's like when you're at home while the kids are little clean your guns let them sit with you and when the guns safe manipulate the guns with them and what that does is it takes the Curiosity away you know whereas like a kid that's never grown up on they see o I want to play with that you know my kids can care less you know and they're actually tired we go I take them to the
29:39 desert to go shoot when it's hot right and Dad I want to go nope you still a few more drills and they have nothing to do with guns anymore that's cool but they can manipulate them yeah and they're familiar with them that's tight if your son's name was Hunter Biden yeah Hunter Biden show that's a great name it's just what do you do do you pardon him oh hell no pardon him yeah he's an embarrass if if he's embarrassing himself and the family I mean so I told you a little bit about my my dad going to jail and what I didn't say was I had a rocky relationship with him he caused my parents he he was addicted to Coke and um typical 80s guy right 80s business owner you live fast and um you know some stuff happened at home which really pinned me against him and and made me side to my mom if I I didn't pick a side before that but you know the stuff I witnessed not going into too much um it was the first time I
30:31 ever laid hands on my dad and I felt that Rush of uh adrenaline first time I ever felt adrenaline I you know you felt tingly yeah how old were you said uh about 16 years old wow and um that's when a son becomes a man and you beat your dad up yeah I mean that's that's when our our relationship changed big time I mean my dad in a weird way um never laid a hand on me after that and um never did anything um you know overt to my mom in front of me it was the last time that happened and um anyway um yeah he had to go to jail and um when it comes to making that decision nobody wants to put their dad in jail but I wanted that to stop cuz I knew if that was happening in front of me at that moment what was happening when I wasn't there and um I had to send the message um you know my dad knowing what I know now my dad was
31:23 battling with some demons um as well I'm sure it was all because of this chemical imbalance from using drugs um and he eventually took his own life because of it um part of me feel guilty about that yeah because at 16 you don't think about the therapeutic benefits of talking at 16 you want to put fist to fists and and um because you know you're emotional you're high you're an emotional creature at that moment but now that I have kids of my own and I've seen a lot more life it's like man I wish I would have taken him and try to fix things and maybe he'd still be alive today cuz when I had kids he was he became a a changed man he was a great grandfather great dad my parents had split up when I was 18 at that point but um yeah he was trying to rekindle things with my mom and um and maybe that would have happened maybe it didn't um well that's a lot of responsibility that you want to take on as a 16-year-old I
32:15 don't think that's that's actually fair to your younger self to say cuz like I remember so many guys in our generation that became the point when it's like you're the man now cuz you ████ up your dad because he keep be he kept beating you and your your family up like your your your siblings your mom whatever it was and then I I remember I was waiting for the day that I got big enough to where I could ████ my dad up too but then he left before I could I had that chance so but my brother and him had a f fight and I thought oh ████ like my brother's the man now and I and in my head I was thinking that's what guys do like you get old enough to the point where he can't beat you anymore and then now you become a man but I it's I think I don't know if people go through that anymore but it was common I think in our generation yeah I mean the belt the Bel I still remember the belt you know and I got the Buckle in a
33:05 couple times so but I I took it too cuz I know I ████ up too I I did some s█████ things as a kid and I just thought that was disciplined cuz my other kids would talk about they just go up to school with black eyes but you call DCFS back back then like oh the teachers were on the dad's side yeah no I remember that was I think wait so my brother's 12 years older than me you're you're seven years right so I I remember the tail end of his his generation is when teachers were also allowed to beat up the students well not beat up but smake right yeah they can hit you yeah and remember paddles they used to just have paddles there and they're like we used to be able to use that they would use it as a whatever and then it was our generation that stopped being able to hit yeah because some people took it to an extreme right where it became abuse so yeah I mean we had those bad eggs had to meet them in the middle and and I've seen I I get it cuz I've seen both I I've investigated
33:56 some your perspective changes when you go to a child autopsy for instance right and it's like you know um so it's better to just rule it all out because of the uh you would just hope everybody it's better to utilize good judgment but that's assuming everybody has the capability of that uh one of my when I was a brand new detective one of my first investigations was uh an infant death scene an 18-month kid who uh had his head Beat to Death and we talked to the dad it was a young Dad I think it was 17 uh 1 said what what's going on what what caused it and he said he wouldn't stop crying you're just stupid so smacked his head until the kid stopped breathing right so it's um when you see stuff like that right it's easy to say well eliminate that all together but at the same time there's a segment of the population that could use discipline to an advantage because they have good judgment and restraint and know what know how to use it oh yeah but
34:47 you have to assume you when we make when we make laws for people we have to assume those laws are intended for the lowest common denominator right oh like ji- Jitsu instruction when you're teaching you're not assuming teaching to all black belts you're teach you're assuming you're teaching to the new white belt you're dumming dummying things down and that's how laws need to be written so that there's no Mis interpretation of why that law is there
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