0:00 He was like dancing on chicks and videos and all the time. >> [laughter] >> He was gay the whole time. >> gay the entire time. He never wasn't gay. >> Yeah, but the songs were gay. >> [laughter] >> Yeah, the songs were gay. Okay, we're just going to talk about this topic cuz it's pretty interesting, but like uh do you guys feel that the lyrics in a song should be used against somebody in court if they were actually true? Oh. Do you know that song in Hawaii? No, which one? That's crazy as it. So, there's this there's group called Top Shotta's. They that song like I'm a murderer. Yeah, yes, I am I am a rude boy from Do you know that song? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That that guy he he's in prison because they and they used that song to incriminate him.
0:50 So, oh, it's actually a case. >> He's literally saying like I have I'm a murderer. I pull up and like I I'm a cold-blooded soldier. Like Did he put like actual details? If you type in the song, you see the lyrics. Wasn't it like Jay-Z specifically or whatever who was like putting the case together of not using lyrics? Yeah. Yeah, it like became like a legal case about this, right? Yeah, a lot of people have have been outspoken about that because they feel like it's not fair if it's if it's art, yeah. But, the dumb thing is that like I guess like in rap specifically, it's become so close to where these are real there's actual dead bodies. Yeah, there was that one where he even said where it was going to be like the body was buried here and then all that, right? >> So, the main one now is is what's happening with that artist David and how like he he had all these lyrics about,
1:41 you know, murdering that girl who was underage that he got he was in a relationship with and that is now finally arrested and you know, they're all all these advocates for that were saying no, you can't use it you can't use it against him cuz it's art. But, what if he really ████ did it though? Like Also, at the end of the day, like, the song is like one of the least evidential moments compared to everything else that's stacked against him. That's what I'm saying. Like, it might be exhibit A or whatever, but like, the murder weapon and the body is probably like bigger. Yeah, I feel like I feel like it's every It should be in context, right? It's like if if you can't use it as the only piece of evidence, I can potentially understand the argument. But if like you have this song that has lyrics basically confessing his ████ and then you have
2:31 exhibit A, B, C, D, like the car, the dismembered body, the tattoo that's matching, the cut off fingers for this reason, or the the other accounts from the phone records that says she went to your spot on the month she went missing. Like, if all of that, and then you got the lyrics that said, "I did it." >> Tie it all together. I feel like you should be like, "Oh, that's That's just the gift wrap of the present." Like, you don't need the bow on it, but ████ you made that a gift. So, that guy actually killed somebody, that Hawaiian guy? Yeah, I think so. It'd be funnier if he was actually innocent. And then they just just used the song against him. I mean, I got to I got to look it up. I I think I remember Googling it, and it said like they used that >> the song as one of the pieces of >> it could have been years ago, cuz they they still they still a band, but I don't know if it's I don't know. I I got to look it up, but yeah. What about O.J. Simpson, then? Can they use the book against him, then? Oh,
3:21 the book that he wrote after? Well, it was after the case already, so it it doesn't They can't retry it. If I did did do it. That's the book, right? Well, the book, remember that it was called If I Did It, but the if was this big. So, it's It's a book that says I did it. Cuz in the as a settlement terms, he had to like you know, like the book was owned by the family. >> Yeah, by the Goldmans, yeah. By the Goldmans. So, they made him do [laughter] that. Yeah, I don't think I don't think you should be able to use art, but then like he said, if you use the art as an inspiration to help actual find like to find the real actual evidence, then the evidence will speak for itself. You don't even need [clears throat] the song. >> This is what I feel like should also happen. I feel like there's an easier way to do this. If you have art that says something like, "Yo, I'm a cold-blooded killer. I did it on ████ third and fourth." You know what I mean? I feel like that should just like log you. It should just like red red light red alert.
4:11 >> It's probable cause, yeah. And then and then you just should start getting tracked a little bit. >> Yeah. People should just like look up your record and just pay attention a little bit, right? It's like terrorist watch type stuff. You say a couple specific key hot words and maybe you should be flagged and be like, "Hey, some dude at a little desk or AI now that is like superior, excuse me, can you this is flagged." All right, and then we put it in the flag pile and then we like watch this ████ because you know what's happening? We also have the other side of the story with stuff like David where everybody gets outraged. Why didn't you listen to the the lyrics? It was there the whole time like duh. And it's like >> Cuz it was there the whole time. Yeah, but like in hindsight it's so ████ clear. But in any other situation another singer or whatever is going to be talking about some other hypothetical chick that they're they're love lusting and and then so much it pained them that they needed to like inflict violence or
5:01 whatever. >> Well, what's the problem then? Like let's say the Mortal Technique or whatever has a song and because it's so graphic they decide to look into him and then they go, "Oh, we found nothing. He's just ████ making art." Isn't that the ████ same thing? Like that's Anthony wants some guy at a computer to look into this guy though. He he wants a police state. Chinese guy wants a police state. >> Oh, so you're so you're saying that it's unlawful to or it should be It's here's it's called hearsay. 9/11 happened, right? It's already a police state with the Patriot Act, right? >> Hey, my dog my dog. There's already there's any in any other context there's already that. Um and that's in essence what the FBI would be for, too, right? Like we're supposed to have certain things where if somebody says, "Hey, there's a bomb on this thing. If there's a threat hit this thing or this school blah blah blah." Something is supposed to be at least checked in on. He's just looking for a second look. Yeah, that's all. >> There's maybe no third no fourth just a second look. versus criminalizing people. You guys are standing outside
5:51 somebody's door right now saying the same dialogue. Just We're just going to take another look. >> [laughter] >> Well, what's going to happen check it out. What's going to happen when it happens to you? So, exhibit A, let's say like they're like, "Oh, a bunch of Asians killed somebody." And then they pull up a Kinjaz video, and then they use that as evidence, "Look, it's these guys. They were the assassins. They fit the description. Look at their movements. They move in the shadows. They know how to ████ strike." >> And then they're like, "But we can't tell who they are. They're wearing masks." Then everyone's guilty. The whole crew. >> Even then, I still think it's it's valid if they want to go with that, it's a very weak way to build your case, but by all means, give it a shot. >> what I mean. Like you you give them a second look, but you still got to find the evidence. Yeah, you still got to bring the meat and potatoes. >> go, "Okay, all right, there's nothing here, you know." Song alone won't do it. Because the easiest way to get out of it is be like, "Well, I have a ghostwriter." And look at the credits.
6:41 Well, okay, so so that's that's one of the um the points of debate is that it's forcing musicians to have to say that none of that happened. So, you lose your legitimacy as an artist. You know what I mean? Like let's say I made a really Let's say I made a really like powerful song. Now, I have to tell everybody none of it happened. It's just like fiction. I just wrote it cuz it sounded good. Now, you're being forced to like compromise your integrity as an artist, where you could leave it uh ambiguous, and that's part of the beauty. You know, sometimes people don't even care either. Like Rick Ross, they found out he's a corrections officer, and all that's where all his stories are from. And they still just like be entertained by the facade of that he was like a gangster. But I think it would ruin Tupac's image if if people really knew who he was. It did. I mean I mean it didn't ruin his image, but it did come out that he wasn't, you know, gay? Yeah, he's a gay ballerina dancer.
7:32 I still like Tupac, though. That's the thing. That's We don't know. >> Well, no, he did He's I don't I don't think it's like Well, everyone knew he went to like a art school, but nobody saw all of his very flamboyant videos. >> He wasn't an actual gangster. And he but he said that himself though. He's a performance artist. >> Yeah, he he was the first person that like not me not the first, but he did openly say. But imagine if that happened in the peak of '96 of like all that like I think everyone believed at that time everyone was like >> During that time, yeah. Yeah. But by then he was already doing gangster ████ He was getting ████ shot. So it's like he's already in presently >> Yeah, he became the role. >> Yeah, exactly. He's presently getting into that ████ >> What if you're an author? Like you you wrote a book. Like Stephen King wrote a book called It, right? Everyone knows that book. >> Yeah. So there's a scene in it that like gets talked about a lot and it's like where >> The girl at the end. gets like gang
8:22 banged by all these kids. >> in the in the sewer. I think if the character's name was Stephen King, it'd be different. Because the artists when they're saying I'm a cold-blooded murderer, >> That's true. >> they're not saying he's a cold-blooded murderer or like Ralph is a cold-blooded murderer. He's like I'm a cold-blooded murderer. It's just a little bit different. What about checking into a guy who has it in his head to have like a kid gang banging him? Like you know what I mean? Like Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, I get what you mean, yeah. Right. >> He's disturbed. He is disturbed though. He's known for that though. Give us give him a second look. >> a second look. >> [laughter] >> Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That fool could make a bicycle scary. I do think that's exactly it though, right? It's like give that person a second like put them on this list, be like hey, you're willing to do that, we're not going to stop you. We're not going to stop you. >> Okay, but we're going to just watch out because if there's enough red flags then we do have to investigate, right? Like that's all it is. Who advocates for a police state? Not police state. Only on
9:13 your public work. On your public work. Just a second look. >> You know what I'm saying? Second look. Just a second look. Like I'm just now paying attention. Maybe you need like a second piece of evidence to pair it with or something. >> That's what I'm saying. Now I'm just paying attention. I'm just waiting. You can't have the song be or the work of art be the initial one. Yeah, you need real evidence. At the end of the day you need real evidence. >> in that category of art and we want like a freedom of speech like nation or community, then yeah, we're Let's say that you did Let's say you made a rap song, right? And you didn't You're not a murderer at all, but you thought this like murder story would sound sick as a rap song. It just so happened to match the details of a real murder that you didn't commit. And they're And they're trying to like connect those two things together. Is that like valid then? I think if there's enough alibi, like it's like you're the same city, same time, whatever, give it a second look. But if it one's in Tennessee and one's in Washington, then
10:03 now you're just conflating ████ >> Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, maybe that's how Usher did a rap. Maybe that's why he wrote My Confessions. Cuz he like maybe he had already done it and he's like, if I do art on it Yeah, maybe. You know what I mean? It's like, "Dude, it was the song." Everybody's saying I did it, but it was the song. Imagine like of a lesser crime, right? So, imagine being this in divorce court where they use your song as an R&B artist to be like, "Oh, you did ████ cheat and you did this and that." >> Like Shaggy, like Shaggy. It wasn't me. >> It wasn't me. >> [laughter] >> But he's saying he didn't do it though. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, if Shaggy lost custody of his kids? It wasn't [laughter] me. See, he's smart. He's not saying he's like, "I wasn't the murderer." >> That's the only point of it that I really resonated with. I'm like, "Okay, let's say that like Shaggy was going to lose custody of his kids because they're like, 'There's no way you were faithful.'" And he's like then he's forced to say
10:53 "I'm actually a pretty faithful guy." You know what I mean? And it And it ruins Yeah, it ruins it. I'm actually not a player. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It does mess up the art though. Cuz like you want to believe. Or you want to You want to at least keep it a gray area where there's like a mystique. Kind of like Fat Fat Joe, like I I guess like I don't know if he's being for real about it, but like, you know, Fat Joe rapped about a lot of ████ that could probably get him in trouble now. So, he maintains now that he's like 99% of what I ever wrote about was just ████ He's like He's just saying like I just made it all up. Maybe he's saying that for safety. Well, that's like Ricky Martin, dude. He's He was like been on chicks in videos and all the [laughter] time. He's been He's been gay the whole time. He's gay the entire time. He never wasn't gay. >> Yeah, but the songs were gay. Yeah, [laughter] the songs were Girls still want to believe he's straight. >> Yeah, they don't want to believe he's
11:43 down. Dude, moms were so into Ricky Martin and like he sold bill of goods. Some girls might like him even better that he's gay. Yeah, it's all safe and ████ Yeah. Non-threatening. [clears throat] >> They can turn him. Yeah. They all believe they can change him. >> They could save him. Yeah, they all believe it. >> Test me. Oh, that's an interesting thing. Like if you were making straight guy songs, but you're gay the whole time. Yeah, right. >> Should they come down on you for that? [laughter] That's what I thought Backstreet Boys were. Should they break your door down? >> That's when I got sad with Frank Ocean music. I was like Oh, you got sad? Cuz before I'd be like, yeah, I'm all singing this song and then I'm like, oh. Then you know what it Cuz then you know what it really means. The context is is a It's boy love. Obviously, it's supposed to be like your own story, but like man, he be he be he be pretty explicit on some of those. But it was always about like love for another guy. And dicks and dicks. The funny part is you write a love song and everybody bops
12:33 to it and then you realize like Sam Smith even, right? And then it's like the artist is gay or comes out later on and then you're like, oh ████ now I'm singing a gay person's love song. That wrecks it for you? No, it just you don't sing it as loud. >> Wrecks it for me? Cuz I just think about butt ████ I'm like, oh man. >> Okay, well, he he goes too far, but yeah. >> [laughter] >> I go far, but what Sam Smith was been doing >> You're thinking about butt ████ right away. Cuz I know what he does. Yeah. He might be singing about love, not >> Well, there's a bottom and a top, right? >> It's like when you're watching a movie. It's like you're watching a movie, right? And like Rupert Everett's kissing Julia Roberts and you're like, nah, he's gay, dude. >> [laughter] >> You're like, I don't believe it. >> Yeah, right? As soon as If you know an actor's gay and you see him in a relationship, you don't buy it. >> Yeah. What about the guy from How I Met Your Mother? But that's different cuz he's Oh, Neil Patrick Harris. It's a TV show. The new Wicked movie is all the actors that fall in love in terms of Cynthia Erivo and what the
13:24 other Jonathan Bailey. They're both gay, but they have to like on screen, you know, have that chemistry and the love. But you're like you got a wife that's like, "Hey, they're both gay." And you're sitting there and you're like, "I'm trying to I'm trying to get in the movie right now and you're telling me they're both gay." Like Like let me watch Hey, that make him look like even better actors to me. That's true. If they can make it believable, that's true. They can make it believable, but it's it's my fault because I'm always thinking about how they're gay the whole time. >> [laughter] >> You know what Then it makes me think about how gay I am. >> Like even cuz even Neil And I can't focus. Even [laughter] Neil Patrick Harris that show I think was almost doing a parody of how he's gay, but he just gets so much ████ He just sneezes and a chick's like, "Woah, you're hot." >> Yeah. Yeah. It's actually a really really good way of expressing that. >> Yeah, it's funny. Like it it makes sense to me. >> Yeah, he's like falling ass backwards into ████ vagina all day. ████ all day. Yeah. But then now you just picture
14:14 him sucking sucking sucking sucking sucking sucking. Hey, like you said, some guys just get it so good that eventually they just need to suck dick cuz there's nothing left, right? >> Like Charlie Sheen. Yeah, Charlie Sheen. He got bored. He said that. Straight up. That's what he said. He's like, "I got a pile of ████ 10s and I just decided to try dick out." >> "What's left once you reach that?" Better than a woman that's 10, a guy that's three? No, you're just curious. 10 10 is stale is all. You don't want to go back down. You're just looking for something different. >> I never want to be curious. It's a man that's a 10. Uh yes. Yes. 10 10 men or or man that's a 10? Where are you Where are you telling him to go to? Uh he says to go to Peace Corps and try try it over there. >> [laughter] >> They got They got stuff in the >> in my feet and start sucking some ████
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