0:03 All right, just kind of a funny topic. So, um I don't know if you guys have ever seen this opinion that uh men who want a traditional wife are sometimes more often viewed as misogynistic because of that. >> Really? >> yeah. I mean, that's I don't know how popular that idea is, but it's out there. How trad do you want your wife to be? >> So, me and Hannah had this conversation, right? Because like after we got married, she started watching a lot of red pill content. It was the funniest ████ ever. I was like like why you you are you This is not I don't know. It's so contrast to who she is. And then she brought up a hell of a good point cuz she goes like you know what's funny is these guys' idea of what is trad, it's not even
0:53 traditional. It's It's post-World War II 1950s um where it's actually a new idea. For the like real If you talk about real tradition >> What's real trad, yeah. >> Real tradition is for the most of human history husbands and wives were ████ peasants working their asses off on the farm and with the children doing child labor. That's traditional. All across the globe. Like real tradition is women were working laboriously. Guys were, too, you know? That's why guys wanted a big ████ strong [snorts] s- >> Ox of a woman? >> Right. Cuz [laughter] they Cuz they could plow, you know what I mean? Like they don't want no fragile-ass girl. >> Yeah. >> Uh I mean, like a stay-at-home mom, like that is a new idea. That is a new
1:43 concept. And it's only doable because of the wealth of the 19 like the post-war era. >> Mhm. >> Of a of a of a like single earning income like family. >> I do think that's what people are referring to though. cuz >> Yeah. >> Most people don't farm anymore. So as I do think when they everyone talks about trad, I do think they think like that like uh stay-at-home mom, yeah, she's just wearing an apron the whole time and she's making food, ironing the husband's pants. >> Do you have like a desire for that kind of marriage? >> Yeah. Even more so. The desire I really have, you ever see those like old school films where the ████ dude bends the girl over and spanks her and smacks some sense into her? Oh, [laughter] I don't know what's gotten into me.
2:33 I'm like, ████ yeah, dude. >> Why is that toxic? Can I ask you that? >> No, dude. >> That sounds like a porno. >> No, that's old [laughter] school movies. I'm like, oh, those were >> High time you learned your lesson. >> Yeah, so what Do you guys all think the idea of traditional is like what era? Do you think it's still like the 1950s like dad goes to work, mom makes, you know, >> cupcakes. >> Yeah. >> What >> When I think trad, I think my grandparents. So they were pretty They had pretty like, I guess, stereotypical gender roles where >> So your grandma didn't work? >> She didn't work at all. She stayed home and uh she She was actually the one that managed the finances. Like he goes out to work and he brings them all the money. She manages the finances, sets money aside for what they need to spend on. The dude knows jack ████ how much savings they have. >> That's Japanese style, too. >> And then like she saves all the money
3:23 and then like and he thinks they're poor the whole time and then like later on like when my when my aunt needed to buy a house or my mom needed to buy a house, they just all of a sudden had like a hundred grand US. And it's because like the mom did such a good job of being frugal, you know? Um so that and then and then the the dude calls the shots on the big things, but the interpersonal small things within the house, the lady calls the shots. So that's how I pictured it. And then the dad like doesn't really cook, >> Yeah. >> but he cooks like on special holidays or something. >> So what do we think >> It's different from Western traditional cuz like Western traditional I think like it's like men handle the finances or like you know. >> But the ass beatings are done by the dude. >> [laughter] >> Kids ████ up it's like dad goes pow pow pow pow pow and then
4:14 >> in a row. >> Yeah and then the kids go to the mom and the mom does the explanation. Kind of like good cop bad cop you know cuz the dad's like you ████ up here's the law and then here's like the counseling behind it you don't do this blah blah blah. >> Yeah. >> That makes sense. So when people are like when you have these either men or women that are angered by the idea of a trad >> angered >> Yeah they get like get pissed off about that. What the hell are they thinking that they want to do that's not trad? Like what's the untrad wife? >> I think >> to them you think? >> So I think it's people So I have a I think it's the a core perspective on life. My core perspective is males and females are not equal. They're already different. Not not like one above the other. >> High value low value but just different. >> They're already different right? It's
5:04 like comparing like ████ a tiger to a >> to a better tiger. >> Yeah yeah. >> Cooler tiger. >> Yeah cooler tiger a stronger tiger. >> I can lift more. >> [laughter] >> longer >> a tiger with the ████ and the tiger with a ████ >> Yeah. >> Like and then >> a tigers [laughter] >> So I feel like there's already like like innate strengths and weaknesses in both and so the reason why I like it is because like when I see the way Geo nurtures Taika there's [snorts] no way I can even be that nurturing. Like when when Taika's sad and she and he runs over to Geo like we're watching a ████ cartoon and the Frankenstein looked too scary yesterday. Taika runs over to her and she hugs him. It felt like a warm blanket and I wanted to dive in. I'm like, "What the hell? That's crazy." And And so, there's like these like pros
5:54 and cons. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And And I think uh to me, the reason why I want that, I'm like, you want to put people's best foot forward. Just like a basketball team, right? You got like if you got ████ Yao Ming who's 7 ft tall, like why is that ████ trying to do handles and ████ Like he should be grabbing the rebounds. This fool's trying to ████ like let Allen Iverson, the 5' 11" guy, do the crazy ████ Right? Trying to do ████ crossovers? I'm like, "Get that big-ass Chinese ████ over there to grab rebounds." That's kind of how I see it. But, I think the other perspective is like, "Oh, they're equal. So, if they're equal, then if they're making you They're seeing the other stuff as low-level work," which I don't. I think it's a coexisting system. But, if they see like family raising as low-level work, then they're like, "No, no, no. I want to be like you. I want to be an engineer just like you." And you know, >> Uh okay. It's all about the viewpoint if
6:45 if they're seeing it in terms of like like a meter of quantity. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Cuz I can never do what Geo does as a homemaker. I never, yeah. >> Whenever I hear people talking about like when they're against it, um it usually has something to do with control, freedom, and rights. So, for example, like >> [snorts] >> like women couldn't own bank accounts and ████ like that. And like um I mean, they're they think they're going to be taking steps backwards, where now men are like the authoritative >> [snorts] >> dictator of the home, and women just have to submit because the the the guys that do talk about the tradwife ████ and all that, too, the words that they use sound like a power dynamic, where women Yeah, cuz it's like, "Oh, she's submitting." Or
7:36 whatever, right? And I'm all like, "Yeah, but that This is where people get confused in what the dynamic is cuz then when you think about tradition you go oh yeah like guys kind of controlled everything and women couldn't vote. So then so then that's what people might hear when they hear the word tradition. And then they're they're like going to argue on on the wrong ████ cuz for me I'm all like well we went we moved past that we're not going back to that but I think the people that hear the word tradition they hear that and then they hear the oppression and they go I don't want to go back to that. >> up. >> Yeah. >> Like I don't want to go back to that like like I think there's also examples of like let's say single family homes and then women telling their daughters like hey you have to have a career you can't rely on no man you know like things like that and they they grew up going like no no we got to be ████
8:27 50/50 in this ████ because I just don't know if you're going to leave me one day I need to have my ████ covered. >> Uh-huh yeah yeah yeah. >> It's a real it was a very real >> real right cuz how many stories have you heard where like the guy was the breadwinner >> And he's like >> she was a traditional >> and that's a form of control you know what I mean yeah. >> And then all of a sudden like he bounces or something happens >> And apparently that happens a lot it's happening so much this happen >> So she has no insurances right so it's like What do you yeah exactly what is she supposed to do so I think when people hear tradition they hear like I have no insurance I have no freedom I have no you know because they're not looking at it in a way where it's like I completely trust this person and I'm in this marriage because we're a team. >> It's grains of truth to it for sure. >> Yeah but I I don't blame them either because like in my family situation my
9:17 grandma had a divorce and like she didn't teach my mom to be a feminist or anything like that but it was kind of a reality of like hey if a guy ████ up in your family they could wreck your financial situation like crazy so then she encouraged both of her daughters to go have some type of job or skill, which is like if you were bred to be a housewife, those skills you you only you only option is to remarry. >> Yeah. >> You don't have Yeah, you can have a minimum wage job, but you can't raise children on that. And then even if it's not a shady thing, like what if he just dies? >> Yeah. >> like >> Yeah, like if it's not shady, but natural causes, yeah. He dies and then you had a traditional relationship and she has no degree, no skills, nothing. What is she going to do to like Yeah, she could be on welfare,
10:07 but like come on, like that's tough, you know? >> Yeah. >> So I think there's there's like the reality of like can we ever go back to traditional? And then also how do you like protect women from like how do you give them insurance, basically? >> Well, these days there's life insurance. >> That's a good point. >> So so that's helpful. >> he passes away or but I don't know if it covers like cheating and just guys bouncing. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> Which is probably more prominent. >> [laughter] >> Do you have like this is sick, this is a good policy? But then I guess that's why if a guy dreams of a traditional relationship, he's looked upon as toxic maybe is because he's not looking after her insurance. But like back in the day, I feel like the reason why we were able to have it is because we had more community and accountability. So meaning like everyone
10:58 belonged to a church, right? So like if something happened, the church backed up the you know, like they would keep the guys in check. Like you Most guys won't have a divorce cuz it's shameful. Or like they won't be cheating all day cuz you can't Yeah. >> Absolutely. A lot of people stay together. >> Yeah, you stay together, you keep the unit together. >> Whether it's for better or worse, they they just did it and you know. >> And if the husband passes away, the church takes care of them, right? So there's just so many safeguards to making sure that the marriage stays intact. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? Like I don't know. I feel like now everyone's isolated and they're on their own, so then there's no community, there's no backup, so everyone's kind of like, I got to make sure that I'm okay. But, can we go back to traditional? Maybe if you're if you're loaded. >> trad to a lot of guys also isn't just
11:50 like it it's um it sounds weird, but like a lot of guys when I see them talking about describing what trad is, they they'll like use words like, I just want someone soft and like, you know, feminine, and then they get flamed for that. >> Damn, why? >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, because it's like a thing where like like a lot of women today don't feel like the guy should even be speaking on that. Like, you don't have the right to decide that ████ or to be like >> Guys post this and they put it like on the stories and >> Yeah, it's just like a just around it's a lot of like manosphere type ████ too. But but it's interest >> I don't want a glass ████ try to dap me up and ████ Hey, what's up, man? Good morning. You're like, what's the >> Bro, that's what I'm saying. Like, I think like I think we're all pretty like we have that in common where it's like it's almost a no-brainer that you want someone that's soft, right? >> Yeah. >> But on the other side of that
12:40 conversation, that's not always seen as like a nice thing to say. >> That's weird. >> You know what I mean? >> Cuz they take it as being weak. >> Yeah, because you're like in a way you're also from their perspective, I believe you're invalidating what they might be. Like, what if they are not a soft What if they're a career-driven, hardcore, fierce woman? Like, then it's like, oh my >> boss ████ >> I don't care how badass they are, I want the soft side of them at home. Same thing as me. Like, I don't want I think she would feel weird if like I talked to her the exact same way I talked to a guy that's robbing me. >> Well, I I think that's >> [laughter] >> that's what these guys don't know is that when a woman relaxes around you, they become feminine. So, like, you could have you could have the most Yeah, you could have the most CEO boss ████ whatever, but
13:30 then when they trust you and fall in love with you, they relax. >> They're not going to be soft when you're debating them. >> No, they want to be like that. >> Stuff is like a lot of those guys, I truly don't believe they've been with like a normal girl. >> I don't either. I don't either, yeah. >> period of time. I think they're just >> I don't think they have. >> Cuz it's like these ideas of women that it's like, bro, is it that hard to find like a soft woman? Like that's that's your criteria? >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> Women don't treat you soft if they feel like you're inferior. So, for example, like threatening. Like if you feel some type of way, like >> Watch them back. >> You're ████ creep. Like it's like they're going to have their guard up. >> Or or I think the other issue too that I feel with people that are dating nowadays is they don't get past like the two-date mark. >> Yeah, they got too many deal breakers that go into effect right away, yeah. >> And then like sometimes they don't get to that point where they can get to know
14:20 somebody a little bit deeper, and I think that's what people are missing. And then sometimes they just assume like >> Oh, this ████ sucks. This chick is weird. >> Hey, it's [clears throat] all about red flags, red flags. It's like, dude, that nothing happened yet. It's just a flag. Like you're trying to be an oracle in your own relationship thinking, oh, it's never going to work now that I've seen the sign. >> Dude, some of these dating stories you hear though of like how some guys are when they go to like a on a first date, the guy's immediately like, "Hey, I have a jacuzzi back home. Do you want to come back with me?" And it's like, dude, imagine if you're getting that all the time. You're like, dude, ████ this. Like what the hell's the point? >> a lot of the cases like you yourself are the red flag. Like you you yourself are messing it up. But a lot of guys act like, "Okay, I'm the catch. All of you got to work to impress me." But it's like, dude, you're both sitting at the table like that. >> Yeah. And they're both Yeah. >> So, it's a weird They're both like the pharaoh being like, "Entertain me. Why
15:11 should I date you again?" >> [laughter] >> It's all proven prove yourself to me kind of ████ Don't think that they're the majority. >> No, they're not. They're not at all. >> the loud minority. They are the growing number. I would say. >> [snorts] >> I would say they're the growing number because back in the day when we were frustrated about dating, you just dust yourself off, you moved on. Nowadays, you get frustrated, you look online, that's the reason this happened. >> Exactly. Exactly. >> And you find something to blame, and then it's these people with new ideas that you're like, it can't possibly be me, and you dodge accountability for the rest of your life. >> And then you start going down the rabbit hole, you consume all their content, you're like, oh, that's true. I agree with this. And then now you go out in the world and you're looking for those biases because that's what you're consuming, you're taking in. Cuz I feel like that's what happens with some of these guys, man. >> too. I think the spiral of going down manosphere type content is because you're dodging accountability. That's the only reason. Once it's your fault, you don't need that ████ no more. You just go, all right, if I ████ up.
16:02 >> Yeah. And I'm speaking from experience. >> Me too. >> Oh, too much experience. >> Two coffees, just in case.
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