0:00 [Music] welcome back to careful boys we got tulsy gabber back and uh kind of bridging from the last Point hella people I've seen all over Twitter X call you an Assad apologist can you maybe apologize not today what I never understood is that clearly you know uh uh you're a veteran you've been in the military and then they do this whole thing that like Russian asset Assad you know and I'm like but the words that are coming out of your mouth is we shouldn't be in these wars so how is that is it I don't know that to me doesn't make any sense it's like you're looking out for the American people and the and the and
0:51 the soldiers and and their them first rather than the military-industrial complex so that's where I'm like confused and have you felt like Beyond just um kind of smearing backlash and like even more crazier I guess threats to your life or anything from um people that find you're stopping them from making money from all of this or whatever yeah or benefiting yeah you're you bring up I think the the central point about that that is the answer to the question of why because it doesn't make sense it doesn't make sense for uh um these and it is the uni party of war mongers in Washington who are the ones who are behind this on both sides on both sides um it's very often the only
1:42 thing they can agree on and when they do uh it's it's it has a dangerous and costly outcome but it is the military-industrial complex uh that President Eisenhower warned against in his farewell address and that cozy relationship between the military-industrial complex and Congress and you can imagine why he thought it was so important to point this out in his farewell address as a five-star general who served and led our military to where it is today it it has only gotten exponentially worse um and so this is why you get this kind of reaction you have people like me saying no we shouldn't be going and toppling dictators randomly around the world when it Serv the interest of uh this unip
2:33 party of warmongers in Washington but meanwhile turning a blind eye to the dictators that they like and that they want to keep in place that serve their interests and there's a huge long uh history there's a great book called overthrow for those who are interested in in actually looking documented throughout American history um why we have why our country has continuously launched these regime changes and toppling leaders and propping up other ones and in almost every case there is an industrial interest and so you look at some of the things in in uh Central and South America you had like the big produce industry bananas that was driving like hey well we want to bring the American and uh Market into this so we want to we want to have a dictator in charge who will give us favorable um terms on the business you see big
3:25 defense contractors you see what where we are with Iran today and the topping of of most there that was around oil and and not allowing them to control their own oil Essen any there's there's a whole bunch of examples of this but in all of these it kind of comes down to the same thing that if you're a person who says we shouldn't be the policemen of the world we shouldn't be constantly in a state of war that actually undermines our security how about we strive for peace how about we build relationships with other countries based on Mutual shared interest of peace and prosperity instead of thinking that the only way we can solve problems is through the dropping of bombs or economic Warfare through sanctions for those like me who are advocating for this the their easiest and first line of attack is to say exactly that well you must love dictators why would why why
4:17 else would you not want to go to it's a solid line love so much why don't you marry him it's been used forever yeah oh man4 they got me pretty good with with that like if you're with us if you're against us you know you're with the terrorists and ████ like that yeah and here's the irony about the whole Syria thing specific to Syria uh is is the people who are who were saying that because I went to Syria and I met with Assad and they were like oh you must love Assad and you must love dictators and and Jake T right exactly no I didn't just for the record people running the country but these were this is coming from the very same people who were using taxpayer dollars to arm actual literal islamist terrorists in Syria because these terrorists were the most powerful and effective fighting
5:07 force on the ground seeking to topple Assad so instead of saying hey let's find common cause toward peace they said let's use American taxpayer dollars to go and arm uh groups either actual Al-Qaeda or associated with Al-Qaeda to go on topple this regime and not well not telling us trying to hide it first of all but then not actually thinking through like okay well if Assad's a really bad guy we should get rid of him and replace him with Al-Qaeda terrorist cuz that's going to be great for the Syrian people what to speak of for our own security you did a wild thing back then you proposed legislation saying we shouldn't fund Al-Qaeda with weapons right you you you you said you proposed this I don't do you remember the name of the bill uh no the stop arming terrorists act that's really good kind of effective as well it
5:58 was it was very controversial what do they do they go and they rip it in half you saw that literally W and I had a report I remember after introducing that legislation as a as a reaction to What was what was going on saying hey guys we shouldn't be doing this I I remember like it was yesterday walking off the house floor after votes uh usually there's a throng of reporters hanging around trying to catch whoever they're trying to catch with their gotcha questions and so she was asking me about this bill and what she told me was and I don't remember what Outlet she was with but she's like don't you think that sometimes in order to serve our interests we sometimes have to work with people who may be unsavory characters I'm like uh we should not be working with alqa terrorists who attacked us on 911 who continue watch
6:49 destroy us did right but it she was like but don't you think and it's like no no but George W said that then you're with the terrorists right and so that's where the people who were calling me a dictator lover were with the terrorists wow maybe the bill just needed a better acronym that's the through line here it's a revolving door I think the most difficult part is like I actually like talking about the real issue yes but then um it's only as of late that people in politics I mean politicians are actually now there's people talking about real issues where traditional media they're still talking about nonsense and dodging questions and they have a way of speaking that never really I never really uh enjoy yeah but then all this stuff is to me I'm like if you do the research you know like oh wow
7:40 we actually created um we supported trained Al-Qaeda um Osama was on our side when you know we were trying to fight the Soviets that's all us created and then when you say that people are like you're crazy and I'm like but it's in the history books what are you talking about like it's written it's not in the news though it's not in the news so how do you deal with that like where people have a different perception of reality and even if it's factual then they're going to just write you off like a Looney Tune you know here here's why well and I appreciate you guys having me on I love I love the fact that we're able to come and have this kind of conversation about things that matter uh and I think it's also why those who watch traditional cable news um are are doing so less and less because this kind of conversation will never happen it'll
8:30 never happen on cable news maybe on Don Lemon show he they fired him so even they don't want they got lost a they don't want to get their Cheerio sponsorship taking away I like that he likes to talk about the issues though he loves to talk about the issues not did you did you watch his interview I haven't watched you I saw I saw a few there's Clips going everywhere though lot of sub lot of right um that so that's that's the problem with traditional cable news but but it's also what gives me some hope is that people are turning that off and looking for podcasts looking for New Media different alternative just convers like real conversations where you know we may not agree on everything that's not that's not the point the hear people out and and go back and forth and actually listen and not just come at this I know
9:21 you got you got a clear bias I'm picking up on that the rest of you he's been trying to get you this whole time I am going to get I will get you okay I'll be ready I'll be ready he's our gotcha guy but this kind of dial I mean this kind of dialogue um is it's everything yeah it's everything if if you yeah anyway I just I can't I can't I honestly sincerely I can't express my appreciation enough um and it makes me happy that more and more people are looking for platforms like this to get information and to know like oh wow you guys are actually talking about something that's real and that matters and you're not trying to dictate to people like no this is what you must know believe and don't go and like fact check it yourself just take my word for it well I I I remember when Ron Paul was
10:13 running for president yeah the media did such a good job cuz I was watching I was I've been watching like I was watching the news since I was a little kid and stuff cuz I did really bad in school and my parents would only let me watch the news cuz it's like educational you didn't have any friends it brainwashed me totally and so I remember thinking that this guy's a total crackpot because we have to fight the terrorists and he's like we can't be over there fighting the terrorist we made the terrorist I'm like this guy's nuts I threw it all away and I and I remember uh after Obama got in watching him just carry on the bush Legacy of war in Iraq that just completely fired everything off because you thought it was going to end I thought it was going to end once and for all we have a guy on our our side that's going to stop all the wars but he just continued everything he actually expanded the wars from 5 to 7 he like we we went we expanded like you're saying into Syria yeah have you heard of the Espionage Act this is something Ron Paul
11:05 um Rand Paul and others have talked about it's it's something that has been used more more it was originally used against Daniel ellberg when he was a contractor for the Rand Corporation during the Vietnam war and he released what is very famously known as the Pentagon papers exposing the lies of the government that they were telling the people like hey this war is going great we're going to continue when in fact behind closed are like things are not going great and uh we don't quite know how to end this thing um he was charged with violating the Espionage Act by releasing this information that the government had classified not because it revealed National Security Secrets but because it revealed embarrassing uh information that they didn't want the American people to know he but they might suck at their jobs is what you're saying right that they did jobs yes it
11:57 was kind of incontrovertible evidence got it um but he was facing 115 years in prison with these charges of the Espionage Act and so the thing that you know this was documented in the movie called the post and it was it was interesting but they didn't document what happened next which was uh when he went to trial the Espionage Act under us code still today says that if you were charged with the Espionage Act in a court of law you are not allowed to speak to your intent behind the release your intent behind your actions so how does one in in a country where our whole system is is dependent upon you know innocent until proven guilty how do you defend yourself in a court of law without being able to say here's why I
12:47 did what I did and it is called the public interest defense he released this information not to Aid and ab bet an enemy of the United States but to serve the greater public interest of transparency and accountability of our government the lawsuit against him was dropped because the the White House at that time um this was when they created the White House plumbers and they they illegally wiretapped him and all this other kind of stuff so they weren't allowed to continue with the lawsuit but this guy is such a legend that through all of these years and he just passed away not too long ago but through all of these years he's like 90 plus years old he kept a top secret classified document leaked it to a New York Times Reporter specifically because he wanted his day in court to prove how unconstitutional
13:39 the Espionage Act was wow he didn't get the opportunity to do that but here's the irony of it all President Obama is the the president who used the Espionage Act to charge Americans including journalists with with crimes more than any other president combined in history wow yeah they got that Fox news reporter right yes yeah I saw I don't I don't remember his name there I mean they were they were uh getting emails of journalists they were getting phone call records of journalists I mean even during that time e mainstream sources like the New York Times and others were like this is this is extremely unconstitutional and a grave abuse of power under the name of National Security and the snage act and so forth
14:29 so the thing that this legislation has been used for is as a weapon against uh political opponents so it's no surprise that I think president Trump faces over 300 years in prison because of charges filed under violating the snage ACT I feel like for a movement to work you need someone pushing uh certain initiatives but at the same time you need the general public to also be like quote unquote smart enough to understand so like I think with the regular person cuz I see a lot of my in-laws and how they view the news they go oh Obama plays basketball yep wor Scandal was a t his his worst Scandal was a tan suit yeah so like how paddle boards and so how do how do we get like the whole like like get everyone involved so that we can I guess have the same
15:19 conversation yeah cuz if they're so dumb yeah I don't even know how to talk to them yeah I don't know what to do anymore do you face a lot of those like it's just you're not even talking to a person you're talking to a slogan or like a somebody who's just saying slogans at you or headlines no I I don't I I have found a lot of Hope in having really phenomenal conversations with random people I meet on the street at a coffee shop I was in Austin yesterday and a guy came up and I was doing some work at the coffee shop came up we had a great conversation H it happens to me all the time do they have to get past this guy first though yeah they better do what do you want to say to her they better check in jeez my sister used to be a US Marshal so she is my version of this guy well I'm worried about you too
16:09 you were in the Army dude I'm I don't know we have our own security he was a marine I know show him the guns dude you can get by this guy real fast we did a workout in Vegas yeah when Tim was there yeah that was cool was fun work but he was a supply guy really good though that's how you got so bu I never lose track of how many markers we need or any of that stuff not tell the stories right now do you think that so what we what you just said whenever I meet real people too nobody's talking about the slogans I hear on CN CNN MSNBC so is that just a fugazi and like well it's it's um it's kind of exposing how the people who create those slogans and the media that perpetuates those slogans they really do think we are that stupid they they really do think we are that stupid that the the Biden Administration really does think that we're so stupid to believe when he
16:59 says you know hey I want to secure our borders you know three plus years after they've had open borders he doesn't he doesn't he needs more money you need they need a clean bill yes yes of something yeah of something you can't act whatever yes but then but then he says he can act and he's being forced to use executive orders to secure the Border he started that way that's what he came in his fourth year in office apparently anyway yeah um but but that that's that is the offensive thing is is that they really think that they can stand there and say well the economy is great guys the economy is great look at the stock market it's doing great even as a you know I I went through a list a couple days ago um what was it like bread is 70% more expensive now than it was a couple years ago Ramen is 65 more expensive than it was a couple years ago
17:51 you go down the list of like basic things that people buy at the grocery store and we're we're seeing 50% and higher uh increase in cost because of inflation and so yeah maybe in your Ivory Tower you can say based on my metrics the economy is doing great said Bill Mar exactly Jillian Michaels was like have you tried to buy eggs lately exactly yeah that was wild that that was wild that that that exchange that he had with her where she was talking about like the rampant crime and all he's like oh you know whatever she's like no somebody broke in my house he's like why don't they just move into gated communities yeah there's policy prop do you remember that actually I think uh I think it I want say it was 10 years ago a bunch of I think it was the Democrats who were saying people should just buy electric cars what's the big deal if gas is so expensive buy an electric car are you
18:41 dummy I do remember that I do remember that and and and what I saw the headline this morning that Biden wants to reduce what is it the car uh Base by 50% basically say that 50% of all cars sold must be electric vehicles by a certain date to force people uh to drive an electric car I guess and truck which here in California maybe you guys can shed some light on this it's it's kind of complicated because you've got power issues as well I moved to Vegas to get away from the ship ding ding ding me too he's in Hawaii guys the Smart Ones moved away we're still trying to convince the other one I'm in between Vegas and Hawaii that guy's a dancer he's got dancer brain is not very smart does creative stuff can I ask like as when you were leaving the Democratic party um does it happen where like
19:33 people start to hear that you're feeling disillusioned and then don't people from the conservative side like your own peers start trying to convince you to go conservative or do you just does that not happen oh yeah no it happens all the time and what made you like be like no thanks like um I I've always been an independent-minded person um I think it's important to be a critical thinker as you're tackling whatever the issue is um um I I have always had a hard time with labels because they mean different things to different people that's true uh you look at the Republican party today and um they are they are dueling with each other about what the Republican Party should be uh you've obviously got Donald Trump who's challenging the entire quote unquote establishment of power you have a Nikki Haley and a Mike Pence who are
20:23 saying we've just got to go back to the Norms which is like a code word for saying yes we should be at War and uh yes we should continue to feed the powers that be in the Washington establishment and then you've got you know the Marjorie Taylor greens you've got Matt Gates you've got a whole bunch of other people in between you've got Rand Paul who's a Libertarian Republican essentially so um this is not this is not a problem but it's just uh I I had a woman ask me I was at a dinner in New York a couple of weeks ago and at the end of the dinner she in front of everybody she's just just like but will you stand with Republicans and my answer to her was you know which Republicans are you talking about like if if you're asking me and I told her if you're asking me if I'm going to stand with Liz Cheney no hell no um and so that that to
21:14 me is like labels are labels if if that's what you care about you're paying attention to the wrong thing um a lot of people care about that a lot of people do a lot of people do in the Democratic party they had this slogan that I I hate every time I heard it was vote blue no matter who that's crazy no matter who sounds like a gang to me exactly it's weird though cuz I I didn't hear them saying that about you no why not you're blue blue and that that was that was the ironic thing through that 2020 presidential primary was hey we want a woman of color to win the presidency and I was like hi guys right here like no no no there was there was an event called she the people that was held in Texas there were multiple women running for president in 2020 in the Democratic
22:04 primary uh and it was an opportunity for us to address um people there the the article that the Washington Post wrote describing the event after the fact listed all the other women who were there and my name was not included in the article wow so he's like okay maybe there was an overs maybe went to the bathroom during my speech I don't know uh my press secretary sent a note and said hey you know Tulsi gabard was there uh she spoke spoke yada yada yada you did not include her in the article and the response from this seasoned political reporter was I am under no obligation to include her in this article what if is just someone you bullied in high school I was homeschooled so unless you're related to me uh well well we're going to we're going to stop here but when we come back we're going be watching a lot of cool Tik toks with to nice
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