0:00 I feel like Chinese people swag out everything like they have an extra flare to a punch Japanese is like straight to the ████ face that's [Music] it and welcome back to another Marshall episode of the careful boys well we have Brian and Andy from The Marshall Club you guys to be here Joe is about to go on a rant about why karate's better than kung fu way better dude how better how in no way why cuz it's fake like it's cheaper karate f everything is manmade everything do you know karate is just kung fu yeah it's all a punch and kick before a punch and kick it was man-made like someone made Kung Fu someone made karate and it became a construct in itself and so and that's why you probably saw me at the breaking sessions
0:50 because it's just like I I think we broke the Matrix of martial arts and the highest form of form is emptiness so that's when you learn to let go as an official member of the Japanese party like I have to tell you guys the truth about karate okay it's propaganda that's not a ancient martial art in Japan at all boxing came to Japan before karate did is that for real yeah Jack Dempsey that that Jack he was popular bro like everybody was boxing they love that Judo Jiu-Jitsu everyone did cuz that was just something you did at school everyone learned but karate striking and stem from like Okinawa right or like yeah but okinawans aren't Japanese they're their they're like Taiwanese they're like their own people and then they got nice goatees though
1:40 hell yeah probably the finest and then at the time you know how Japan was kind of being like Nazis right they're like we can't have this white ass ████ being popular in Japan cuz at the time they didn't want anything American all English words for things they were they were like we're not going to use the English word no more we're going to call it something else so like they're like we need to have our own striking sport that isn't white and then so they looked right and then they found okan ████ doing that this ████ and they're like what the ████ is that right and then they went over they're like what do you call this ████ they go it's called Chinese hands and then they're like Chinese hands well we can't call it that that's not going to be very Japanese they're like man we got to call it something else we'll call it
2:30 something something else so they got the guy the father Judo who basically took jiujitsu and he system he made it into a system so you could turn it into a sport and teach it to the masses so they went to Okinawa and then they got the top Judo guy all the karate schools came out and then or the Chinese hand schools they did all their forms and ████ I see and then they're like this is sick this is sick and then they're like all right what are we going to do is we're going to get all of the schools and figure out like a system and that's how shodokan came to life wow okay cuz it was like all right we're going to figure out um just like what they did with Judo cuz Jiu-Jitsu existed like Samurai used it to ████ fight when their sword got lost right so same ████ like that that it's basically Kung Fu that went to Okinawa cuz a lot of okinawans could also speak Chinese cuz they're they're
3:21 like they traded a lot with China if you look at where OK Chinese mouth too Chinese mouth Chinese mouth look crazy now we can't call it that Chinese hands and a Chinese mouth that s███'s closer to Taiwan than it is to Japan I see so like so they went there they were their own kingdom all that ████ they're not even ethnically Japanese right so that's what people don't know about they're not no they're they're they're dukein they're their own kingdom wow but they were like a vassal state but the thing with them how they survived is when Chinese people came they'll be like yo here's tribute yeah man we're we're we're on the same team we pay we pay to you guys when Japan came they're like yeah man we'll ████ pay to you we're Japanese dude that's how they survived right just mixed hella over the years yeah but then they traded
4:11 Hela with China and that's where Kung Fu came over there and there was this whole documentary of like I guess there's like a Crane style or something right right and their katas their forms are very similar to the stuff they practice in you when they're like this and ████ like yeah yeah okay I've seen that oh so that's how they did that and then they're like well we can't call it Chinese hands cuz it's a Japanese Sport and then so they go empty-handed wow yeah dude dude thanks for what year was this like when this all went down man I 93 that's I was born bro bro it I don't know it could be like ████ 1910 You Know Jack was popular you know what's interesting I think every martial arts gets political even W even for like Wu it's like it's like propaganda essentially yeah propaganda well cuz it's like a performance
5:01 right it's not like a defense or like lifestyle fighting thing what makes it propaganda so I think so the story that Daniel told me and I I still got to fact check this but um uh when I guess when the the communist government came together they wanted to like de weaponize like anyone who knew how to fight so they got all these um Kung Fu Masters together and uh and like developed a system like I think a lot of them went into hiding I think they had gymnast and like the Ping Opera in Chinese Opera yeah Chinese Opera and just like a fusion just to make a systemized martial arts called woou and that's uh and that's why it's a lot more performance-based and I think the original Shaolin you notice a lot of Shaolin doing woou yeah um they'll they'll adopt a lot of that you know that stuff into their I think I think
5:53 it's a similar story to Capa actually they hid their martial art in dance so they made it like a dance and stuff but the soldiers all like do it it is crazy though to think like so there used to be a time I mean all countries right had Warriors and they all had like a martial art right but over time that ████ becomes ballet or like it becomes dance like isn't that crazy yeah it's crazy W Woo's changed a lot cuz when it first came out like I guess jet Le era you were able to tell still which province they were from and like like it's like the it's like the the root of it still bled out when they're performing you and we saw the same with tricking like with with tricking too like um like back then everyone was like damn I sound old like uh when we were like really deep in the
6:43 game with tricking like everyone was still their own video game characters you know from like the competition circuit I'm I'm sure breaking is probably the same way yeah um and uh yeah so that's what that's a pattern we're noticing with a lot it's all converging and I guess with like social media and you know like dude everything is getting more like um how do you say it like saturated saturated just yeah Melting Pot yeah Melting Pot yeah that's true it's almost like all these Styles went one way and then now it's kind of coming back to like this like MMA essentially yeah yeah yeah yeah cuz that's true when I was like deep diving into the whole like how karate got watered down and ████ they actually had hella uh grappling cuz I don't know in kung fu if they had it but like in the forms like they were like what is this ████ and then a guy was like explaining
7:33 like oh this ████ what is that ████ like they'll be I think we trained the form together they'll be like they'll be like yeah ████ like that and then they're like what is that they're like oh it's actually not a strike it's it's actually like evasion from being grabbed or like whatever and it's grappling but um when they were systemizing it they were like we don't need grappling we already got Judo so then they said we're going to make this kickboxing and we're going to make it a a striking sport I was like damn in your guys' opinion totally subjective how would you rank martial arts in terms of like who can actually whoop ass this is so good that's hard I don't think we're too familiar with like the fight circuit and like the fight World honestly we're not then just even better still do it probably Fighters then like fighters who fight
8:24 can this a good scale subjective opinion as an art form as an art form the prettiest the most beautiful it's that's very subjective very subjective very subjective you I feel like the UFC started because of this actual question of which martial art is the strongest just make sure you say karate's down here you know you know in the movie itman I'm a big donen fan but my two favorite styles though is the Japanese guy oh man and then General guy the guy yeah the bald guy cuz his sty is so ████ hard it's TI versus no offense and then uh and then the northerner you know the northerner dude yeah yeah yeah oh dude that guy's so tight it's his only Power hits like boom that's your style though no finesse this
9:14 guy yeah yes I do you like subjective subjetive you like the straightforward stuff like I like the flashy he's very straight it's it's different but that's what makes us all different um how about an easier thing we can pick top three because I think every martial artist um carries their own like personal flare and there's different elements that three but then also after bottom three okay no bottom one and then top three I'll do top three first middle two um see like you're you're asking us we don't really believe in Styles anymore oh really oh ████ you guys the normies but you know what though the style is like they all look good getting their ass kicked cuz like they all suck all martial arts they ████ suck unless it's actual MMA like they all no one could fight that's the truth and I
10:05 agree I agree but they look so good how how about like what are your favorite styles for camera honestly lately for me it's been breaking you know for camera yeah there's so many there's so much elements you can pull actually if you if you think about it breaking is a battle it's a battle movement art form so if you're asking us and we're like movement martial artists there's a lot to learn from cool I started reading alien s is a art art of battle like and I'm I'm I've been like you know just and I'm applying it to like my I'm weird dude I've been like just but anyways so for me it would be breaking right now as just now you're asking me we're I'm first you're last again and then K at the very bottom s Shoon at the bottom Shoon
10:55 breaking breaking's the best martial arts you're only asking I'm just putting it in categories because you guys are asking right I'm I really love Wu I think it's so badass like as a propaganda martial arts still I think it's beautiful top five propaganda martial art beautiful it's the hardest I think I think it's the hardest for sure I think if it's physically demanding it's you got to jump you got flexibility like this peak athleticism you got to have ████ ████ up everyone doing 720s and ████ so so yeah wishu un breaking fight for the first for me depending on the day Wu those D those demos where they keep slamming each other oh yeah or when you get a spear and you go like this and then go like that for for Wu is there a special Wu floor or no just carpet back then it was carpet oh it might be different now
11:45 we don't is the way when like fools jump up do a 720 land in the splits is that on is it regular floor I haven't been to I haven't been to a competition in recent years so I don't know but it's evolved since you know since when I first was really getting into it um but it might they might have added floors I don't know um I do think it's Peak athleticism is crazy they're crazy shaped those guys nuts can we come back to that you go first okay sure um so first would probably have to be ████ I can't even think of the style but something very acrobatic whether it's like Capa or like tricking or like woo you know cuz if if it's for like the sake of like entertainment flashes everything in our eyes you know like yeah so some something it's very acrobatic what about those like tawan do competitions where they kick Three Bs Tao is going to be my third actually
12:36 demo demo style like when they when there's three guys on each other's shoulders and then they kick the boards yeah yeah that's crazy dud they never show how each guy got on top of each other yeah that's why I don't like either I think they just do like show the set up they should show the guy like who they just start rolling after that he just wanted to his C accent pick him up where do the guy where ises the uh in the ranking where's the monkey guy from Blood Sport at for his style oh yeah monkey guy from blood the African monkey guess which one talking he has a monkey style Sumo rest he goes like this and he go sum to death oh okay I know what he's talking I know as long as it's like hell acrobatic
13:26 that's number one still two is um I feel like Chinese people swag out everything like they have an extra flare to a punch Japanese is like straight to the ████ face and that's it efficiency Chinese is also very um it's culture like there's so much meaning behind a punch it's like colorful you know yeah they have names for it like like means like punch from the heart all your intent is like can literally mean punch from the heart but it can also mean like it's like a poetic way to beat somebody up Japan is just straight up like let me punch you in the back of a skull ha that's it you know and there's nothing else to of the skull to back of skull Chinese is like I'm going to ████ you up but so art art artfully you know poetically ████ you up it's it's the ultimate form of like insulting someone like by the way like
14:17 it's like dude you beat me up in an art form where it's like Japanese style is just I hate you I'm going to kill you you know pretty pretty pretty true yeah oh yeah yeah yeah okay top three okay part two um I mean number two would probably be something more uh grounded and hard-hitting just to contrast acrobatics so like you know like like Tony jaw style like in like even though there's acrobatics there's like a a heaviness flying knee to the face ████ you up like kind of ████ you know like he he doesn't he doesn't kick like a tao guy yeah yeah there's there's weight to his like and it's full contact on too exactly we actually it worked in Thailand a like actually we went there three years in this p i we went there three times in the past year for films and and we worked with Tony jaw's team and dude those guys are like are they really
15:08 hitting each other like that they hit the ████ out of each other that's all they know but look you're coming from Thailand like Muay Thai is like a like that's their sport like they know what the whole country they know what a hit looks like so when you do film that's a good point I didn't think about that they have their own like performative like mly Thai style and like they're making in the culture already so yeah my god there was one day we did um we were like uh we were we needed some guys to do some Falls and we were trying to just prep for like just find the guys import some Filipinos and so and so dude the dude that's the thing like they they like to us like stunt guys aren't Expendable they're humans too you know yeah not in China I think it's different in Asia that's how they see it you know the sh brothers would like a word you about that but they they would line up and
15:58 then they would just like they would just punch each other like they would just like they would they would they would audition for us and they would straight up like hit each other as an audition here it's it's a it was a different process so what we did was so so we like came to Thailand with with the American team right it was us um our our our big brother Dy who was like the star of the the film and then we hired only three stunt guys cuz it was a lowbudget film right but then there were like like 25 stunt guys there we're like what what the ████ like I was like like is this in the budget I don't know what's going on right and then we talked to the start coordinator and he's like oh um I don't remember what they're come looking for work yeah so they're Home Dep audition you know just hanging out I guess you kind of yeah so like we would go over the Coro and then the start like you a and then we'll be like ████ you
16:49 know but we wouldn't hit the ████ out it's like just doing the Coro with them and then in the end we just see okay I like him I like him he's acrobatic you know and that's how it work kind of like how they do in like when Asian um there's like job interviews right like I've been to this one recruiting place where they bring all these girls that want to work oh my and then um it's like a weird color you know like pink Place couches and then you just choose which one you want and um he's coming I'll do the same and and then you you you pick one is there like a catalog where you can see like all of them and I don't know why like I wouldn't dress in a bikini for my first job interview but I that's just the culture I can't really fight it so is a is a job agency called heaven on Earth or something I know that from Rush
17:39 Hour on Earth no that was called Angel Massage I don't know why oh bin Park is this real so I think in Asia that's the that's the standard I think everything is they people line up and then you get to choose right right it's like we have a variety pick you know but one of them is for camera the other you're not allow to film got it um there when we practice when we hit each other like we we we perform it so it looks like we do we just add a bit of power powder you know just just like tap and push you know just it's like a different kind of TI where it's like but for them they is they straight up just don't wow so and they're like I'm like like uh I did like a COR kick oh yeah yeah yeah yeah I I or whatever and um and then I hit him I tapped him and like my
18:29 my foot was hurting and I'm like dude are you okay and they like yeah nothing harder and so then harder why harder that's for them it's it's like it's disrespectful if you don't hit them it almost feels like if you respect me you will do the right thing and hit me cuz then you think he's like a yeah okay yeah yeah kind of so when we're watching like protector or something and there's a it's a very clear hit on camera how much of that is like selling and how much of it he's just getting his ass hit well one Tony jaw's a bad ass so he sells regardless but I think like from the stories we hear he he hits ████ and just KN but so does stepen Sagal so I think we're okay I heard he's a bully but it's like I think it's out of respect you know to this stuff I will say the first time I ever watched onok that ████ me up that
19:20 was bro I couldn't stopped watching that movie I was like how come no other action film does it like this I know yeah that's all you think right now hearing this you're you're like oh ████ these guys are the truth same with same with raid same with the raid you're like why don't they all just do it like this cuz they're an Indonesia right yeah I didn't think I was going to recreate that Feeling Again of omach until I watched a raid and you're like oh ████ it has a a type of wrongness to it right both those even different styles it's like you can tell all right it's it's in South it's like Southeast like really like R Redemption that little dude the long hairful psycho I worked with just recently on a film actually yeah ████ light bulb dude yeah yeah yeah he cool light these guys are like the sweetest guys like I worked with two of the guys from The Raid actually on a film coming out it's it's called the Furious it was shot in it's a
20:11 Hong Kong Production shot in Thailand and um wow that sounds like all the right ingredients yeah and those guys as like Beast as they are on the camera they're like the nicest people you ever meet like they're like it's like in the culture yeah yeah like I so nice but I'll ████ you up man
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