0:00 I remember watching Ka and uh there was this scene where they were these actors and they're like speaking in a foreign fake Asian language and I remember like a tear just dropped on my eye. >> What did the language sound like? [Music] >> Welcome back to another episode of Careful Boys. Today we wanted to talk about some cultural sensitivities and luckily we have Anthony Lee here with us to discuss it. The expert. How do you truly feel about performances or dance companies that are not Asian but are dancing and performing in full Asian attire? >> Yeah. And they're doing this when they dance. >> Yeah. And they're doing the Ching Chong eyes.
0:50 >> Why are they doing that? That's That could hurt them. Are there dance girls that do that? >> I'll send you some links. >> Maybe not that far. >> Yeah, not this. >> But there are people who in the battle have done that on an Asian guy. >> Yeah, for real. And there are non-traditional like East Asian people that like fully adopt like martial arts ninja or kung fu culture stuff. Um, but to me, I'm Okay, you guys want my like personal answer? My >> political answer? >> I want your real one and then and then commence destroying it. >> Go real. >> Can I give my political one first just for fun? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Why not? >> Um, no one should appropriate. >> For real. Even though everybody can appreciate and as long as everybody has an authentic uh relationship or an
1:40 upbringing um or some version of actual connection to that culture and heritage that is like honest and or pays tribute back to that culture. I have no problem with it. >> What if I want to be a samurai for Halloween ████ >> Call of ████ >> My prom dress is not your Halloween costume. >> Hey, I'll cosign it. >> Thanks, bro. ████ yeah. I don't actually give two ████ to be completely honest. That's my personal answer. Like to me quality. It's like somebody um I was at a dance convention recently and they were just like, "What's your favorite dance style to watch?" Right? And I can't honestly today be like this style is my favorite to watch. Uh I mean I guess I could maybe still say >> not crumping >> breaking um because it's just the most fun. >> I like liquid >> but Thank you. >> I like the macarina. M
2:30 >> but to me I don't actually give a ████ what style it is if it's good. I just want it to be good. >> All right. >> Like anything that's really really good. So like if you show me a bunch of like samuris on stage blah blah blah I they're they're probably covered up in a way that I'm not like these are white guys. I can tell. >> So what's offensive to you is how ████ bad they suck. >> Yeah. Like if you're going to represent another culture >> I like that. >> That's tight. then like just do it really really well. If it's your entire business, like you're you're fully profiting, then I think that there's a conversation of how like that could be like problematic. But if I'm just seeing art and I'm just like objectively watching something to enjoy myself for entertainment, then like you're if you're good, you're doing the service to me of entertaining me. I'm not there to like overly be critical and judge
3:20 everything because if we the second we do that is the second we judge everything. Yeah. >> Why is that Panda Express being cooked by a Mexican dude? But it tastes bomb. But like what am I going to do? Go in there and be like, I can't support this one cuz it's not a Chinese person in the back. Like nobody gets too ████ like just enjoy it. >> Yeah. That's like going to ████ KA the CI show and you're like ████ this. This is not real Asian ████ >> you know? You know, like you're you're literally just trying to be entertained and if it entertains you, it's like you got your end of the transaction. >> Okay. you know, if like your entire business model and you're you're asking about like performances and or like a dance team, but if that's like their full business >> to like use this culture and like profit off of it, then then it I realize it can be problematic. But it's not I'm not the detective or like the moral compass of
4:11 the world who's like, "Let me go be a police on this and like tell you why you're doing wrong." I I don't want somebody doing that to me, so I'm not going to do it to somebody else. >> Okay. I remember watching KA and uh there was a scene where they were these actors and they're like speaking in a foreign fake Asian language and I remember like a tear just dropped on my eye and I felt the racism and the pain in my heart and I was like this is 2022 like why the ████ are this are they doing stuff like this still >> what did the what did the language sound like >> like that? Yeah, >> it actually does sound like that. >> That sounds legit in my opinion. >> Right. Then they do the they do the fake accent. >> You know what COD does uh in terms of like really well. It's like you know it's Asian but you can't pinpoint it
5:01 like Avatar the Last Air Bender. >> You know the whole thing is Asian but everything they're not they're saying fire in Asian. They're not doing China. >> You know what I'm saying? Yeah. They're just throwing some version of Asian influence. Like technically Star Wars is predominantly Asian stuff >> because of a a curious. >> Yeah. Like all the style all like the the the Jedi are so clearly a certain like their outfits are so clearly a certain Asian thing. The the freaking that's why the that's why seeing like the star stormtroopers in like the samurai kind of like garb in the like artistic collaborations after that. It's so clearly comes that's why they're lightsabers and swords like they're they're all swords. I mean, Swords was not an Asian thing, dude. It was a white thing, too, bud. You ever heard of the Nights of the Round Table, bro? >> It was a great That was a great TV show. Um, but like in terms of the football
5:51 team, you remember that one? >> That's why I know. >> But like just saying like that the swords in combination with their outfits, like it's very clearly Asian, but who cares because it's Asian influenced and you're taking cultural influence and then you're like creating new world stuff so that the the the culture inspires you. You're not just like abusing it, right? >> What's abusing it? Ghost in the shell. >> Yeah, with >> Scarlett Joh. Yeah, that was a little bit. >> That was absolutely whack. >> But I don't know if it is, but that's what a lot of people would say. >> I'm also just not that person. I'm also not that person who got mad at Tom Cruz being the white savior in The Last Samurai. >> I thought it was sick. >> I thought it was a good movie. >> I was I was I was the mad one. >> It's my favorite movie of all time. >> I was like, "What the ████ is this Pocahontas s███?" And then I looked into the history and I was like, "Oh, there were actually two white samuris." And oh, this actually makes kind of sense.
6:42 >> Yeah. And they should get a movie before all the other samurai get a movie because they're the white samurai. >> The funny thing is regardless of the historical like uh authenticity to it, >> it was a good movie. So, it's easy to accept quality things whereas like for example Matt Damon in the Great Wall. >> Haven't seen that. >> That was uh definitely not as good as The Last Samurai. >> So, it's easier to be like >> judge this. So, it's the true story of the Great Wall where the white people actually designed the Great Wall. >> That's what it does. >> Not the ████ story. >> They designed it. >> The architect The architecture >> The architect was a white person >> and it used Chinese slaves. >> I couldn't even hold that one. >> That's crazy. >> That would be crazy. >> I can't believe they didn't actually do that. >> I'm with Anthony, though. I'd rather have something that's ████ dope. like
7:33 a bombass bowl of ramen made by someone else than to have like, "Oh, but this one's authentic and it tastes like s███." >> That's true. >> Yeah. Because now I'm the one who loses. >> Yeah. I want something dope, high quality. Who gives a ████ who it's made by? I want to be high quality versus authentic made by someone who sucks ass even if it's an Asianowned Subway. >> Yeah. >> Like it's if it's bomb, it's bomb. >> But it all sucks. >> Asian owned subway. Dude, for some reason, hella Asians own Subway. It's really weird. >> Hella Asians just own >> Yeah, they own franchises and stuff. Yeah, for sure. >> What about like, let's say you're judging a dance competition, right? And then you have a team from China that's doing some legit Chinese ████ and then you have like a German team doing Chinese ████ but they're better. Do you have anything to say in your score sheet?
8:23 >> I think because of that case by case scenario, and it's like competition. >> Yeah. Then I'm like, "Okay, I think there's reasonable cause to deduct some points off of that show because of like uh originality >> because it's not authentic to you." >> Oh, >> but that's only because that's only because you're in competition with a Chinese team doing Chinese ████ >> Yeah. Right. Yeah. >> Now, if that same >> you wouldn't go, man, the Chinese team you're doing that's way too easy. They don't get extra points. No, no, no. That that's like the same as saying like uh you put in let's say you're watching a competition and then like a all black team comes in and does African dancing. You're not going to dock them points cuz yes I will. That's like the people in high school that ████ they're Mexican, right? Like of course you're going to take Spanish cuz you're already speaking at home. So you're ████ cheating the whole class. >> That's not a competition though. >> A Chinese guy taking Spanish. That's
9:13 harder. >> No, but this guy would be docking the white kid in the class cuz he's like it's not your authentic ████ >> ████ weirdo. You get scores lower because it's not your language. >> Number one, this is why there's this is why there's a judging panel because one person's views are not the objective truth. Putting a one one on my card >> one. Now, hypothetically, let's say there's a Chinese team and there's a German team, right? >> And then the German team does like a whole Chinese show and then the the Chinese team does a whole German show, whatever you want to call that, right? >> Perfect 10. Then there then it's just whoever's better because it's both awkwardly cultural appropriation. So you've already both if if you deduct the same amount for the same problem, then they're on the same spread. >> Here's why you're the dumbest smart guy. >> Because what if you're you're German
10:03 born and you're nailing these these Asian Chinese dances, but like these Asian Chinese people, they should already know how to do that ████ >> So should isn't that harder? Isn't that it doesn't come natural to them? >> That's why you're the dumbest smart guy. >> That's why I keep telling everybody. Yep. >> You like that ████ >> You got it, dude. That's why we need to be on the judging panel together so it's fair for them because we have different views >> in the Olympics when um Japanese people compete in judo. They haven't been winning, >> but uh they don't get they don't get extra points for doing that. >> I will say I'm not that guy on the judging panel ever that's going to dock somebody because of that cultural element because like >> you just sounded like it like three minutes ago. >> No, no, no, no, no. All I'm saying is that that's when they're directly in competition. If they're the only two groups competing against each other and they're both doing Chinese heritage
10:55 shows, >> then I think that's a specifically unique >> situation. What if it's the other way around? What if it was ████ a Chinese team ████ yodelling and then you have a ████ Dutch team yodelling? Do you ████ dock the Chinese team for yodelling and they're doing it better? It's harder. If it sounds like legit yodelling and not like the noise, then yeah, I'm like, that's harder. >> Chinese yodelling, >> then I give you extra points for being better, but I maybe give the authentic group points because that's their culture and they're they're representing their nation. >> Because again, that that's a very subjective case by case. This is a stupid scenario. Let me give you like a broad scenario that reflects an actual truth of how I perceive >> that type of thing. Like I I'm not the guy who's on a judging panel when people like are inspired by other cultures that I dock them because I don't watch
11:45 something like uh MMA or jiu-jitsu. And if if there's a ████ a black dude who who's doing Japanese jiujitsu, right? Brazilian Japanese jiu-jitsu cultural stuff, but he's a black guy and he's whooping everybody's ass. I'm not like you lose some points because you're not of that culture. You're whooping everyone's ass. That's an objective skill. When a black guy does martial arts, it's already automatically >> they put like swag into it, >> dude. >> Or a white guy, it's like watching Blade. >> Whoever wins and is clearly and objectively the best of that thing, I'm I'm already supporting that version of it. >> So, I'll do the same thing with something like dance. >> But, but you sound so ████ when you talk about dance compared to fighting >> because dance is a country culture like that. like like everybody gets so um sensitive about cultural appropriation when you and you see it in dance, but
12:36 you don't see it in so many other things. And that's the only thing that annoys me about it, which is why I don't judge like that. >> I got an example I want you guys to see if this is cultural appropriation. Type in uh on YouTube yodeller Teshi, I think. >> Oh, that guy. >> And then um and then and then you you guys tell me if because you know Chinese yodeling. Okay, we're going to do Japanese yodelling. This is relevant evidence, your honor. >> Right here. >> And by the way, as the whitey here, I can judge this. >> True. >> We want to see him actually yodel. Wait, what the hell is there? >> I don't know. It went to this other ████ My bad. >> No, no, no. Get [Music] >> Wow. >> Are you Are you steaming mad? >> I'm a little bit pissed.
13:28 I think Yodeler should be killed. >> What do you guys think? Is this okay? >> It's incredible. >> That's really hard. Is this offensive? >> No. Anthony be like, "Dock him some points cuz he's ████ Asian." >> Because he's not being compared to him. >> He's not being compared to like a ████ European yodeler next to >> Oh, pull up the European yodeler then ████ and you'd probably be docking this guy. Like he's so good. The idea of docking points when you're the position of judge, you already have the right. >> In Germany, he's an active yodeler in Germany. >> I'm of the mindset that if this guy's promoting a culture that's already like when a white guy is like kill yodelers, he's promoting it. I'm like, give him points. It's totally different. This is the best yodeller.
14:18 [Music] >> This guy is the best. Hard boys. You just start easy and let her go. >> Oh, we can do that. Ranger dog. >> Open up the shoot. [Music] >> You feel like murderous right now. >> ████ Barney. Dude, we're going to Are we going to get demonetized for me? ████ it. We'll see. Dude, I feel like >> what the >> the Japanese guy's better. The Japanese guy's better. Yeah, he's way better. >> Way better, dude. >> He's better than this guy. ████ yeah, man. This guy sucked. >> That look like Vince McMahon, dude. >> This guy just started yodling. The other guy mastered it.
15:08 >> Oh, dude. He gets down >> a little better. >> Okay. No, the other one has way more originality. >> But who whoever elevates the culture and does the culture justice gets points for that? >> Yeah, he elevated it cuz he got it on Barney, you ████ idiot. >> Does he get more points because it's authentic? >> Like, come on. >> He doesn't get doc points. >> What does elevate even mean anymore? People say elevate about everything now. You add ponu is what it is. >> All right, here's his big finale. How do you even have this on? >> Does Ryan watch kids shows? >> Yeah. How do you even remember? Like, >> damn, his eyes about to pop out. >> No, my um my friend's uh niece had it on VHS and we were laughing at it and then years later I went to the the July 4th
15:59 show at the Hollywood Bowl and they performed. >> Really? >> Holy ████ >> And I was like, "No ████ way. It's a guy from like 15 years ago." >> Hell of fun. Do you remember me so good, Omron? I'm so scared of you, Omron. I'm even more scared of you now.
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