0:00 The audacity of the dudes being like, "Oh, you don't have your head shot. Why don't you have your head shot?" Like, >> what? Why don't you have your head shot? >> That's like walking in with no resume, bro. >> You simply forgot it. Let's just say it. Not me. >> That's like running a 14 minute one and a half hour. >> What the man? We're talking about [Music] >> Okay. So, think back to a subculture that you always wanted to be part of. Um, like for instance, if you had dreams of being in the theater world or something or you had dreams being comedy or you wanted to be in dance, >> but when you were dreaming of being part of these cultures, right? >> Mhm. >> Compared to when you finally arrived, how was it different? >> You actually arrived in it.
0:51 >> Yeah. Once you finally became a YouTube sensation or you finally became like a a public figure in in fitness, like how was it different than how you imagined it would be >> when um we really wanted to get a TV show made and like our producer, he was really cool. Like he showed us the ropes. Um he made Smarter Than a Fifth Grader and a ton of dope shows. >> Oh, sweet. >> And he had all these connections, right? So, we would go into these uh like pitch meetings with MTV, Comedy Central, all that. It was like a dream come true. But every single time, >> it was weird because they would rotate like, "What happened to the guy we talked to?" And then he was like, "Oh, he he just got fired." And I'm like, "So, we got to repitch again in 2 months." >> And then this I didn't realize what was
1:41 happening was right before our eyes, TV and cable was crumbling. M >> so then this idea that I had of like TV movies being the top of media >> and I think in it is in still ways but it was just the chaos that was happening at the moment YouTube was taking over >> and then for me I felt like wait a minute I'm trying to do backwards things like I already made it in this like new thing that's doing well but then like I'm out here pitching for something that's way more archaic and we made a pilot that was Like I was like, "You guys spend a lot of money on doing a pitch show that's like nothing." And then so and then like it was like 10K or some ████ That's a small budget for them that we had to go pitch out. And they do like traditional media does have big budgets, right? But I kind of saw
2:32 how like it was shifting where YouTubers were starting to make way freaking more. And then these shows, these cable networks were actually way lower in ratings, way lower in money, way lower. So all these big giants that I grew up watching, it would it just felt so weird walking in and going, you guys are about to fall apart. >> Oh yeah. But it didn't feel like that until like maybe couple months into it. And then I was like, I'm just sticking to my YouTube channels because like this is not what I thought it would be. And then everyone's kind of like there's this Hollywood talk that people go in and it's just weird. Like they talk really fast. They they brownnose a lot. It's like shorthand almost. >> It's Yeah, it's it's a different culture that I just don't understand. >> But they're like they're super friendly. Everyone's super friendly, but it's like
3:23 corporate people trying to pretend that they're artists. >> So, they're all big money like corporate suit people but creative, right? >> Yeah. >> And then like I was like, yo, I thought they would be more about um the creativity and the art, but like at the end of the day it is a business. And then that's what my mind was like. I thought the best art will win. I thought the best creative stuff will win. >> And then like when I kind of got a taste of that stuff, I was like, "Oh, at the end of the day, this is also a business." And so what they're trying to do is they're trying to, you know, spend the least amount of money and crank out like things that make the most, right? And it's like, yeah, there's the art behind it, but I was so focused on like the art, the creativity, and all that I I didn't I didn't think it was that much.
4:13 >> I thought it was less business, but it was actually way more business than I thought it was. >> Okay. >> Mhm. >> But yeah, that was my experience of like walking into that like, wow, I'm in MTV. I grew up watching MTV and I was like, I kind of think my office is more fancier than this thing. Like, what the heck? >> Well, yeah, your office is pretty freaking fancy. >> And then the money, I think, was another one where I thought they're making hundreds of millions of dollars and then I'm just like, wait a minute, they seem like they're kind of struggling. >> Yeah. >> And where are they now? It's like, you know, like they're gone. Like a lot of them are gone. >> That pie is sliced in so many ways. Like it's hard to even keep track. That's another thing too is like they blow the there's like accounting tricks that they do where like the budget I'm just like dude I could get this ████ done in like way cheaper. I'm like why balloons like
5:04 crazy. >> Yeah. But everyone's taking a piece and then I was like oh shoot there's so much like >> um waste. >> Oh tons of waste. >> Yeah. Like there's like random jobs that don't even exist. There was so much >> you won't even really know until like your eighth job. like your first one it'll you'll just be like okay >> it's the budgets are really small in the beginning and I was like pretty shocked. >> Yeah. But at the same time they we were in an era where like it was still very legit to look like you're working with TV and then you're h you have like pictures at a studio >> and then but the facade was like YouTubers were making way ████ more money >> and then >> like that level TV what would you it was it's not a less liberty you know it's cable TV or whatever but like yeah it
5:55 wasn't as much as I thought. Yeah. Yeah. Did you have that with the stunt world? Cuz you know, you wanted to do stunts for so long and then once you finally got there and you were on set in movies and TV stuff? >> Oh, I had it with the dance and the stunt world. Yeah. >> What was different? What were the things that were like awakening? >> Um, I just thought like dance, like if you're good, you're going to get picked cuz you're good. >> Oh, what do you mean picked by who? >> Like uh auditions and >> Oh, like when you would go for like casting >> casting. But I just realized real quick, you know, it's like you're you're ████ phenomenal, but you ain't got the height, you don't got the looks. >> You're just like, we have to go pick this person that's close as possible to your skills of just what we need. But sadly, you're not a 6T stud buff, big Congo dick, long-haired Asian >> Congo dick.
6:45 >> They need a big dick. >> No, I just added >> I need to see it like pressing on your sweats. >> Yeah, I just added that there. But no, you know what I'm saying? Like stuff like that. >> Brothers commercial. Was this for porn? >> I was like, "Yeah, what the ████ am I auditioning for?" Like, >> they're like, "We don't know why you were breaking, but >> thanks for coming in." >> To even hear stuff like this, they had auditions hold for dancers. ████ 200 dancers pulls up, but they already picked their six from the get- go. >> That's That's a big one. Yeah, that's a big one. >> Why you wasting our time like that? Like, who who is who are you? Let me beat your ass real quick. You know what I mean? >> Well, it's it's the fact that they still do that today. So, like let's say that uh like Janet Jackson is having auditions for a tour. >> Yeah. >> They already ████ hired who they want and they know who they want. >> Then why waste everyone's time? >> Cuz they do it to publicize a tour. >> Yeah. >> Because the casting call will have a line of 400 people down the street and
7:37 they'll be able to film all these people that want this job and it becomes part of the ████ documentary. >> Wow. And everyone basically was doing it for free because you have to sign like, "Oh yeah, you know, I want this job so I'll sign whatever in order to audition and you're just part of the making of >> for nothing." >> Yeah. So like the more you understand the behind part, your dreams just like, "Oh, that was ████ gay." >> Imagine how like embarrassing that is when you like really thought you had a shot and then and then you go, "Oh, f███." Like years later, someone straight up tells you like, >> "No, we had everybody hired already, bro." Like, >> there's a lot of tricks in entertainment. >> Think Yeah. Think about think about the before, right? Hey, mom, I need money cuz I'm I might want to do this audition. >> Yeah. So, people flew down from other countries to go to this audition. >> Tell your family like, "Mom, if this happens, I'm I'm going to get us out
8:27 this joint." You know what I mean? Or or or mom, I'mma live my life like this because this is my opportunity. Blah. And then just to find out, you know, like you you've been bamboozled the whole time, you know? So, it's just like >> imagine seeing like hundreds of people just peptalking themselves like, you know, training for this one shot at this thing that's not even real. I think like after a while, you just have you get so demystified and you're like, I just hope this audition's real. >> But yeah, so but that's part of the game, right? How well can you be? How much can you stick in to be part of that? >> That is part of the game. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's part of like the struggle. >> That's the game. But some people like they see that one time and they're going to be like I quit. Like this is whack. You know what I mean? >> That's why I stuck to YouTube, bro. >> Yeah. But that's what it is. >> I want to go through thousands of auditions. I even had it easy. The first audition I did was for Living Color. And I got it in front of Keenan Ivory Wings.
9:18 >> I That was great. And after that, I'm like, I don't want another audition. I'm cool. >> One and done. >> That's a special type of person cuz like Smack is like that still. >> Isn't she like the audition queen though? She like lands them left and right. >> Oh yeah, but then but then again it's because the ratio like the amount she does it. You got to have a ████ steel ego or something like to just she just keeps going out and going out >> for the thick skin, right? >> Yeah. It's like a thing where like she just knows it's part of it and she's like, "Yeah, that's you suffer for >> you suffer through it." Yeah. >> I don't mind the no if I can efficiently hit 100 in one day. But the thing that pisses me off is the driving, the parking, the waiting in line, and then after you wait in line, you go in and then it's like you're done. And then you're just like, you ████ wasted me all day, man. >> You got to pay for parking.
10:08 >> Everything. >> The fact the audacity of the dudes being like, "Oh, you don't have your head shot. Why don't you have your head shot?" Like, ████ >> why don't you have your head shot? >> No, but at the same time, >> that is kind of legit. That's like walking in with no resume, bro. You simply forgot it. Let's just say not me. >> That's like running a 14 minute one one and a half hour. >> Yo, what the ████ man? We're talking about different things. ████ >> Okay. But dude, that's all that's how it goes with all of it. But that's even in Stone World. Same thing. >> Well, how is it the same thing? >> There's no real auditions. You don't really It's all word. It's all like uh your community. >> I know this guy can do it. I know this guy can do it. Sometimes really hard for new people to shine. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. cuz it's all like down to those your own circle, right? >> Down to which is fine. I don't care if that's how you want to roll. That's how you want to roll. >> Makes a lot of sense. Honestly, >> thank you for telling us that. You know
10:59 what I'm saying? But don't but that's just how it rolls until one day uh they need someone very specific. Then they're going to bring them on. >> Yeah. >> But there's no chance really unless you do so much extra stuff just to get into that circle. >> Well, yeah. Cuz you got to be training with the people that hire you, right? Going to hire them. That's how you make it out here in the Hollywood industries. >> Yeah. If you're part of a click, they take care of you. >> Click. You got to be willing to get asked out. You got to be willing to be embarrassed. All of that. >> Yeah. >> That's how people make it. >> Some people just suck it all the way to the top. >> No. >> Yeah. >> Did you ever did you actually ever like want to be in the theater world of like or productions or or did you just kind of fall into it? >> Bit of both. I like I think actually theater of all of it cuz I tried a few different bits. Theater was the most consistent with what I thought it was going to be.
11:49 >> Oh, >> cuz it was it doesn't pay that well. So, it's a lot of people that genuinely like want to be there. >> Oh, that's cool. >> One that threw me off was for a very very brief minute I worked for a stylist that did a lot of like red carpet press junkets, that kind of press. And that was so I thought it was going to be super glamorous, exciting, fun. It's really not. It's >> boring. >> It's not creative. A lot of the time the brands will tell you like parameters like we only want you to wear the set look from the catwalk. No variation >> or some of them are like specific. >> So you don't actually get to design anything for anybody. >> Uh and then a lot of it too is like the clothes show up. They've been worn by like 10 people sometimes cuz they've gone around magazines, different red carpets. >> So you're like, "Ooh, look at this Versace." And then you're like, "It's so
12:39 disgusting." >> Yeah. I can smell the amount of like white collars that have like mess on the back. Yeah. Like stuff like that. And some of this was for like high up like good, you know, stuff and it was just like, oh, this isn't. >> So, the reality is how disgusting this luxury thing is. >> Just human. Yeah. It kind of killed the like image and then you'd be in fitins and like somebody would have like a pimple on their ass or like you know what I mean? It just kind of kills the illusion of like a glam ass. You make it sound so nice. >> I know. >> It sounds kind of cute. Killed the the glamour of it for me a little bit. So now I'm looking at it and I'm like, "Oh, it's just >> How about when you like did stuff for film and TV and it and all." >> Was that like you thought it would be? >> Um I'm trying to think back cuz I don't think I had an image. So when I did that, I literally just emailed like a
13:29 ████ ton of stylists just to see if anyone would like give me a job. So I didn't really have a big expectation going into it. The first commercial I did was tenner lady. You know the little pee pads that you put in so after you have like a baby. Sometimes women pee when they laugh. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Like you know the tenner why I go to the bathroom so much. >> I don't know if the brand exists yet. >> I remember I showed up in heels cuz I thought it's like fashion >> and I had no expectations. So I wore like a heel. I wore like a nice outfit, everything. And then my mate, who Ginge, who I'm still friends with, she actually took me to the side real subtle and was like, "Tomorrow wear trainers." Just like real nice about it. Not like being, you know, mean or anything. Like sneakers.
14:19 >> Like what would have happened if she didn't do that? Would they have made fun of you? >> Like cuz I I could see when I wal Surely you're joking. >> Quiet on set. Everyone's silent and there's me in like a little clank. >> Oh, yeah. That's right. >> Cuz I just like thought, "Oh, it's fashion, you know, cuz I really had no concept of what I was walking into." >> Wow. >> So, they were super nice about it, but like and I was still friends with with those people that I worked with on that job, >> but I had no concept what I was walking into. >> No idea. >> He was huh? Are you crazy? How long you had to stay? >> Hours. I don't know what I was. >> 18 hours. Damn. >> Sounds about right. >> Madness. I think that's also why the guy who was running it, he just kept me in wardrobe and was like, "Oh, just steam, do this, do that." Like, >> whatever. But yeah, >> stay on the carpet. >> Basically,
15:10 >> and then the next day I showed up in trainers and I was like, "Okay, now I know." Like I corrected quickly, but yeah, it was like >> I had no idea what I was walking into. Not I didn't even think about it. I was very just impulsive like, "F███ it. Let's give it a >> That would be cool if they're like what a rebel >> savage. >> She's just ruining every take. Oh yeah. Like I'm picking up a wood against marble. >> Yeah.
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