0:00 I always felt like you never accepted who I was so I had to be who I am somewhere else whether that's manifested in gangs or whatever you know and my mom like was like I'm sorry for the way I raised you and I was like what [Music] oh good thing we're currently currently off the Record uh try that again make it no leave it because we don't do retains we don't do edits here bro here's the thing it's over I think take a second take a second and think about throughout the course of your life who are some people that you were totally wrong about George W bush what do you mean what did you think about him and then where were you wrong no is this ████ joke what do you mean you should be a George W bush big fan
0:51 you really were huge fan yeah right you didn't hate I felt like everyone in our generation hated his you actually liked him well after 9 11 I was like we got a ████ let's go oh oh so you were indoctrinated I was brought into the system CA FBI I thought those guys were like like the front line for America to be fair I was with him and I only said because remember all Vietnamese people are Republicans by way of the war so no matter what even my parents my parents had a George W bush ████ photo hang in our living room wow like I voted for George W bush too because my church said to me too really yeah we were Bush People yeah I was I think church people usually are well our church didn't speak of any politics oh so I was surprised I think it's just my youth pastor maybe you gotta vote Bush I mean the reason
1:42 why I laughed not so much about war stuff now is because I really was like like I thought it was all like legit and ████ like I really did I really but you feel duped and then yeah hurt because of that yeah and I believe my government I believe the wmd lie ████ all that stuff I used to look I even thought that like anybody who even questioned 911 not like oh my God like that me like we all know don't look at me not like we all know for a fact that it was a conspiracy I just mean that they use 911 as an excuse to to do all kinds of ████ up and now you've changed your mind absolutely like 9 11 didn't have it no no that's you I think 911 happened but I think that they used they used it as an excuse to do ████ up ████ make tons of money for themselves which they always do with everything so but now I'm more
2:32 cynical about the world than I didn't used to be I used to be rah-rah let's go USA ████ stuff so yeah definitely wrong about that wow that's a pretty big to admit actually I can't wait to admit it gwb or George W bush is the biggest the biggest warmonger of my life Wow ham Rumsfeld Cheney all those guys scumbag war criminals 100 Obama's a war criminal trumps will work criminal like I'll never believe those guys ever again any of them hey dude I ████ salute you buddy let's go brother thank you for your service that's tight that's gangster ████ anybody else have a person that comes tonight totally wrong for me it's not necessarily individuals but my um I was wrong about how people will respond and react a lot so for example I
3:22 thought that like most people had this desire to do something for themselves break out and whatever and all they needed was a chance all they needed was a bit of resources and whatever and then now I've come to realize that uh people are their own demise in most cases in most most cases where you see someone um in a bad state or they ████ up or they didn't succeed or they couldn't get somewhere like I'll it's like for example right like let's say someone's like down and out and you feel bad for them but then you talk to their family members they burnt so many people that no one would want to offer them their couch anymore you heard you just there's just like they were so mean that that's why they're alone on Christmas and they're just all these things right so
4:12 you're just like wait a minute like should we feel sorry for this person because they burnt every single person that loved them and now they're getting what they deserve because of how they've basically dug their own grave and I and I think like the older I get the less kind of sympathy and empathy I start having because it's so this pattern is like you are doing this for yourself where you see this in people that are like hey you know you're causing like people to run away from you because you're so controlling or like other things like that yeah is there a specific person or situation not necessarily it's just an observation so like I've grown to become a little colder where before it used to be like oh everyone if they say like I want to do this I want to do
5:03 that I'm gonna give you an opportunity I'm gonna give you this but then like put them on track even people that are not motivated are just like come on dude I want to motivate them you can do it and whatever and then I realized like everybody it's just on them huh they have their own um they they lock their own selves up in their heads so like we I feel like we share the same Physical Realm but their reality is so ████ different and I didn't realize that I didn't realize how different their world was I just thought it was kind of similar and everyone had hopes and dreams and then you just have to like kind of nudge them this way and then they they're like oh I see it now I'm gonna go and do it but then like now I'm like whoa like no people are like living in completely different realities I know what I'm talking about there's times
5:53 where I'm like oh man this thing really helped unlock this part of my life for me I can't wait to pass it on and then you want to pass it on but then you realize when you pass it on it doesn't necessarily help the other person because they have to unlock it for themselves that's that's what I mean yeah because there's times where like you're like oh man if I had known this when I was this age things would have been way better or way different you can't pass down the Breakthrough ████ yeah I wanna yeah but the Breakthrough has to happen themselves no matter how much you try to help nothing's breaking yeah and I'm not trying to like blame the victim right because there's like people that are literally in s█████ situations since they were born like they were just abandoned nobody look like loved them like it's just a really hard ████ life but I'm talking about like generally generally I've seen time and time again people ████ their own lives
6:44 up and and and and I'm just sitting there going like what the ████ like I like when people are like getting fired or like like all these things right it's like yeah because they stole from the company or they did some you know I'm like and then they're just wondering like why the world's kicking them around it's like maybe you shouldn't have stole from the company Maybe Should Have Cheated on the person that you loved what about the employees that like get like pay cuts they deserve it maybe you should have worked hard [Music] that's what my line says yeah they're being entitled that's what my lines is I was being it's my fault oh you know who uh who I was wrong about my mom um oh in a yeah yeah I remember you said yeah like my so for the month of December my mom pretty much stayed with
7:35 us if you know like my whole Dad's passing thing so like she just doesn't feel comfortable at her house and all that stuff so we're like yeah come on over hang out with us change the energy and stuff so um during that month even when I come here to film my mom is in Vegas with Geo and taika and they're just like living a life and um my mom really got to know taika because during covid she was stuck in Taiwan for two years and her and Geo really bonded and throughout my whole life um I've always had like this kind of like kind of like a resentment and distance with my mom so I just feel like my upbringing was so weird and different and so controlling that I never felt like if ████ ever happened I didn't feel like my mom was someone I could run home to I always feel like I just have to make it happen on my own and then so um now that me and my mom are more reacquainted she's been like saying how
8:27 like oh she would like like it more if like I texted her more or if like we're like close you know and I was explaining to my mom like that distance that you feel it's a result of how our relationship was since we were a kid and that was a conversation first of all I never thought we would ever have that's how ████ mature I would never be able to imagine that by the way but yeah I never thought that would even be like a conversation we could have to begin with I thought it was just going to be she passes or iPass or whatever and we're just gonna have this distance for the rest of our life um but I let her know that it's it's a result of uh the extreme controlling and all that stuff that that we had um that I had growing up and then she was like oh look what do you mean I was like oh I don't know like how about bringing an eight-year-old to the temple to how to be a monk for a day I was like that's
9:17 normal my mom's trying to busting up laughing like crazy like she just I think it was so absurd to hear it now now that she's like out of that mindset yeah she's laughing at your pain yeah I was like yeah I was like a eight-year-old like four a.m bowing on the floor all the way up to the mountain for like a mile and coming back I'm like is that ████ normal and it's just I was like laughing I'm like or like uh oh does this remind you of anybody and I went to the TV I was like I wonder anybody watch TV today hi it's a mom and then oh I see someone someone did watch the TV they peel back the tape and now then you beat the ████ out of the camera I was like dying of laughter this is good this is progress I was like I was like from all of that I was like even in the early days of JK I'm wearing red underwear for like 10 years of my life and she told me I have to wear it so even after I was past my 20s
10:08 because good luck good luck or some ████ come on Steve but the cool thing is I blocked out some things like you did I think I think she started to see right I think finally from like her age now like looking at the lens of where it was back then and uh in the beginning I think most people are defensive oh but it's because of this I was like you know I'm like a single mom or whatever blame you Mama I'm not blaming sequence of events caused the relationship that we have now is this gonna be the future I don't know yeah but the reason why like I'm not lovey-dovey the way like Jill's brother is with Geo's mom like like he's herak because she's always been fully accepting of who he is I always felt like you never accepted who I was so I
10:58 had to be who I am somewhere else whether that's manifested in games or whatever you know and my mom like was like I'm sorry for the way I raised you and I was like what I thought she was gonna laugh again dude but that's oh that's crazy kind of expanding on what I was saying is that like she cultivated that relationship and she wants something that she didn't work for yeah so then now it's like when you called her out on that she realizes took responsibility and now there's progress right and what I mean by people are their own demise is if you call them out on that they'll deny it they'll they'll they won't take responses excuses they'll still feel entitled to whatever they want while never changing
11:49 who they are and I think that's the that's the thing that I'm I'm I I've seen is like so now from that point you and your mom can move forward and have a different like staging your relationship yeah yeah and I'm like I can't I keep seeing this pattern every ████ time everywhere I go with so many humans that I'm like damn this is like probably one of the biggest reasons why people are just stuck at where they're stuck at you know I was wrong about you is is my wife because I actually like like when I first met her we were doing this comedy group and like I didn't know um well there's also a thing too where she's a very attractive person so it was like I like I didn't like I had a girlfriend at the time and I didn't want to like make anything weird ever so I'd mostly like like you know Buster balls and stuff which you know that's like in my family that's like what you do yeah
12:39 like you bust balls because like that's how you show affection we do that in this room but then people are like man they hate each other it's crazy that's why we keep seeing each other every year but no that's why you've been busting my balls I'm talking about gel not you no but um yeah I definitely didn't realize how smart Nikki was like when I first met oh interesting because she used to play this character like on the totally sketch days that we were like the bimbo the stupid bimbo chick and I it's not that I thought she was actually dumb it's just like that was my introduction to her and like like but on set she was really cool and all this stuff but we didn't really get to know each other until like a couple years into that thing like where we actually had private time with each other like doing on set and like actually getting to hang out and talk and stuff and not just in a group setting where everyone's ████ around yeah so that definitely
13:29 was eye-opening for me what's that distance between like seeing her as this like character that's kind of a dumb bimbo but her actual genius it's crazy yeah it's insane it's like she's not just like normal she's a genius yeah she is because honestly like the first time I met her I was like oh she just seems really nice she's really cool but then the last time she was on the show I realized I was like oh she's like a savant she is a Survivor yeah yeah like I got to see it when she started talking a little bit about poker I was like oh ████ like she's on another level goes deep she's like lapping her own IQ number yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I know she just doubled up oh she's so smart so yeah it's one of those things too where you're like oh yeah I remember but I remember like the the change of like how I saw her how I know her and I love it it's been awesome that's cool man one really sad uh I haven't really like talked about this publicly because it's so like sad but like oh another death no
14:22 it's kind of but it's like oh it's not a death more of a maiming so like when I was like when I first started breaking uh there was this like uh b-boy that I looked up to he was like a uh he's like a star b-boy basically like a dance royalty we would regard him as that his name's b-boy crumbs it's like legendary and uh so growing up when I would go to my first b-boy jams like I would ask him for a photo like my disposable camera and I was like a big fan of this guy context is a Legendary Legendary you could download his video off of Napster at the time he was one of those ogbs he's like really like a a pillar of like creativity and breaking uh Game Changer obviously and then um so like I always like looked up to him like me and D-Trix that we all have is like videos and stuff like his physical DVDs
15:12 like we'd buy all of his ████ and uh and just follow his career and then once we had made it to ABDC 2009 uh somebody had started on a b-boy forum a topic about Quest group like being just total like ████ that we just like completely sucked and we're just like not real b-boys no we're just fraud it's so funny and I was like who the ████ would sell this ████ and it was him and uh and then I I just like it like broke my heart dude I was just like what the ████ and you never meet your Heroes and the thing is that it wasn't it wasn't the thing that I was wrong about isn't that like Oh I thought he would be a fan of me I didn't think that it's that his claims of why we were bad were so unfair it was like he was just jealous of you guys yeah because we had been um like there was this one episode
16:02 where we had to dance to a Britney Spears song and he said that was so unbe boy for us to do that sold out but like he's he was a ████ Christina Aguilera dancer and we thought that was great and we were maybe that's why he was like yeah Britney Spears is Tupac Christina aguera she's the gangster she's underground but like she's done all the things that he was honest about and plus like like Victor one of my crewmates he did like one-handed hops which at the time was already a universal move and he said that Victor bit him directly which by the time like tons of people are doing that but no one's getting ████ he was giving ████ to us and I wrote back on the Forum and I I just explained like this is I couldn't be more disappointed at this moment to just like write back to you in this light and just tell you like you better clap back ████ yeah right and it wasn't like so much of a clap back it was it
16:52 was just like I I had just forgotten that yeah the best b-boys don't necessarily make the best people oh yeah that's hella true and it was and then that's what I was wrong about as a whole I was like I always thought like oh look at these star B boys they must be great quality people and majority of them are not especially at the time uh arguably like at the time when b-boying wasn't a sustainable career monetarily yeah you had a lot of like bum b-boys that were like amazing but had very bad life choices and then that's that's not that's to their disadvantage being that there's no market like I understand that but also at the same time like there are b-boys that were legendary that were very happy for us and very supportive and that we're on the same crew as this guy but his personal Vendetta against us was like he just to finally be at a level where you think your hero could respect
17:42 you and that's what you got that's so weird and closed-minded for such a successful industry b-boy like I thought he had it all this dude was also in like you got served like he was doing like work in the industry and he's the guy straight up like when when even b-boys like hardcore dance culture underground blah blah if you're ████ like fully commercialized you're doing like pop celebrity work and stuff usually all those casts are like pretty open-minded they understand it's not a sellout it's a lifestyle like you you can't you can't always just be Nation authentic and then also hope to make like an entire livelihood and support your family off that it's it's a give and take right it's like it's like you might be in love with like Jiu Jitsu and like the accommodation so but at the same time you got to teach newbies like that's part of the culture you know what I mean in a big a big part of it honestly is like as a as a vulgar is this to say
18:34 it's just because we were we just weren't sucking anyone's dicks to be honest because we weren't part of their clicks and we shot up kind of unexpectedly before they gave us the okay so they were like who are these guys they're not real b-boys but it's not like we didn't but we didn't disrespect them like we ████ worshiped these dudes and the sad thing is that because he's the one saying that and he's so influential it caused a lot of people in that Community it's just not like us by default I see Chrome said you guys are whack then you're whack did he did he ever respond to what you said to him he did and it was kind of like he just kind of doubled down mildly on what he had said but then at the end he was like but thank you for supporting me and my crew for so many years and I was like that's because he turned you into a fan I guess yeah have you ever met him in person you guys ever taught I don't know if he do people's ever baby boys are a fist fight very rarely I'd be like man ████ you
19:24 we're gonna meet at the park you know what's funny hey we're gonna ████ it up some of the most frequent free sites at b-boy jams what happened between the Ted's Planet freaks oh really yeah well they're trying to fight everybody that's but but it was but it was more people that were trying to fight them oh really all right but yeah the uh I did run into him a few times but I don't think he knows my face like that oh because he just sees the crew maybe yeah I don't think he can like I I don't know because he's never addressed me like to my face all of you guys profile he has your poster on his ████ wall like he's a hardcore fan you know that that's such a weird concept because like when you um get to that level when like a culture or or an entire community refers to you as like an OG or a legend or whatever there's like this pedestal that you're on but there's also like that same height of the pedestals like how hard
20:14 that fall can feel sometimes you know what I mean when you get that from some of your Heroes your Inspirations when you like meet certain people and they just like are not what they are you know what I mean on like stage it just is such a shock and a disappointment and it's not you know maybe it's not everybody you can call ignorance and stuff like that but like I think it's a two-way street for those people who understand that they are also recognized as Legends you do kind of have to like you gotta play your ████ role you know what I mean you don't have to like you know the people who are fans you but you gotta at least be respectful enough so that they can continue to be fancy it's also how he did it it's like I would have appreciate it that's how he felt and if he came to one of us it was like y'all are doing it wrong like let me give you some guidance rather than do like a ████ slam book out of Mean Girls like yeah or or I Get the Era to like get on these forums like maybe have
21:06 a conversation but like not pick a side because when you're again when you're like a legend of something you know what I mean you on on a culture that's defined by like inclusive love like I I think it's very specific when you're talking about dance culture in general you know what I mean it's something that's like kind of about like oppression it's about like you know breaking the barriers between like racial language religious divide or economic and social class like it's like the foundation and it's generation of it is the the creation of it is based on such ideal like foundations you can't I don't know I just feel like the heroes and the Legends shouldn't be doing that kind of stuff because you really just destroy a lot of you gotta support the culture yeah you just it's just not right and I only say this because like there's a concept in the dance world and I'm pretty sure it's applicable to a lot of different like deep Niche cultures
21:56 but like there's this concept of like bitter ogs you know what I mean yeah right people that like did definitely and respectfully put in the legwork to create something but when the world changes if they don't keep up with it or like other people are able to take the mantles and fly further with their current resources it's a blame game it's not ever like a a mature understanding or acceptance like these are the times and like maybe I can either be a part of it and participate support and or whatever it's just like a why it's not even mature enough to be like why do they have these opportunities it's more like you don't deserve these because and that happens so much in like the quote-unquote bitter OG game that it's just it's just off-putting you know what I mean I think bitter ogs exist in everything that's what I'm saying I think it's applicable to like so many cultures to even be considered an OG and so far that you can be called a bitter
22:47 OG that already should say enough about like the the lack of just Evolution that your mind has well look there's there's this inherent like thing about maturity that people bake into the OG thing oh geez didn't ask to be ogs they didn't even know what the ████ they were getting they're just good they were just good at the time yeah of what they were doing and then people do this ████ to them where it's like you're like the Gandhi of this thing and like you're saying like you found out that he has flaws and he's a human and he gets jealous as ████ which is okay like that nothing about him as a person but just let's take the statues down because like these cats are the same as us right like and I think we all do that though we all do that right that is true it's like of course he has a right to be whatever ████ guy yeah we can still separate the two right like artistry-wise still ████ absolute legendary can't ████ compete with that like he couldn't lock
23:37 he could pop but he couldn't lock but then but then the fact that it can get close enough to understanding like you know and I'm not talking about just him particularly I'm talking about any of us any of us susceptible to it you know what I mean even the way that like whether quests or can just be looked at in a certain way it's like if we don't act accordingly if we don't like support in the way that we were supported not the ways that we weren't supported but like you know if we don't support others in the way we're supported it's like same ████ we're just gonna be better oh geez that don't ████ get like what's going on with the scene You Know spoken like a bitter Shoemaker cobbler [Music]
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