0:00 thank you [Music] welcome back to another episode of careful boys today we have Mr Steve Toronto flipping Legend Living Legends I'm glad uh Steve is here I wanted to talk about this awesome topic um what do you think about how uh you know how how like some ancient martial arts that have been around for like hundreds of years or whatever they're starting to get debunked by like Fighters that challenge these Masters and to prove that they're useless ████ a Tai Chi Master yeah and there's a lot of like uh talk on the other side of like hey you're like disrespecting what was like an art form or like a cultural symbol for such a long time not all of it's about someone up yeah uh how do you feel about that happening as a martial arts Grand
0:51 Master as a Japanese guy yeah well I I feel like traditional martial arts yeah it's not practical like like MMA is like like all the best things just like Bruce Lee's talks about that same thing happened in like tricking you know it's it's like uh it went from sport martial arts and then we started doing like more flips and twists and all that and then all the ogs were like you're not doing all this other things yeah using less kicks and saying it's like not practical is like um I think there has to be like an awareness of like yeah we're not these things aren't practical but it is has roots in like martial arts um you know what I realized so I did a deep dive on martial arts okay and what
1:42 we think is traditional is actually not traditional oh so so some of it doesn't go back that far for example karate is actually newer than boxing Western boxing Jack Dempsey in Japan like a big time boxing star in America was getting super popular and at the time the Japanese government was like ████ like we need a striking thing and then they went to Okinawa and they found something and then they're like oh we could do something with this because karate used to be called Chinese hands not cool name they made that up Karate just means empty-handed but that they made that word up it's it was a national Japanese propaganda thing to bring a striking art into Japan damn because Okinawa is like it's like half Chinese
2:32 half Japanese it's like its own little like Kingdom it's a different Kingdom from Japan and they were influenced by um kung fu yeah but there was no name like Kung Fu is like not one thing either it's just like a a bunch of martial art groups right and then I just went down the line of like okay karate came in like Japan from Okinawa and then the founder of Judo who took Jiu Jitsu and Judo and um the actual practical fighting styles that the uh Samurai used and they said well we don't need these things because it's just fatal we don't need this for the sport so they turned it into a sport so like Judo that you see today is not the action that's why you see such a difference in like Jiu Jitsu and Judo when it used to be the same exact thing
3:23 that was a that's a Japanese martial art that Samurai's used because they're like once you lose your sword then how are you gonna kill this other guy you can't punch him in the face so you Gotta Throw Them slam them how are you gonna kill somebody that has armor and then later on it was like you can't kill someone at in college with a competitive so they removed all the Fatal ████ stuff whatever and even today like the Judo today is different from the Judo in 1920. so then like that's why people talk about like old school ████ used to be way hardcore because they'll be like oh you don't finish with like arm bars and ████ like that in Judo now because it's like oh that's two that's two that that's too fatal but then Jiu Jitsu kept
4:13 it so it's like all this like it just keeps changing to fit the time and the sport that's why so then they talk about karate and how traditional it is and whatever right but what I found out is like they took out so many practical things to systemize something a hundred people can learn so that it's sustainable for everyone so then what we're looking at is an incomplete martial art original Karate was was more like MMA they had throws they had locks they had strikes they had everything because it was like what do you use as a Warrior when you when you don't have your sword so it's like you gotta just do what you can to kill somebody with your hand so that that was the actual
5:03 like I guess progression there was no like you have to do it this way whatever whatever it became like that because nationalism and Sport and then you I dug deeper with China and I'm like yeah how come Kung Fu sucks if it all came from the same thing like how come you do this hey we got your China guys here huh the China guys are upset I did that for like five years ago I kicked in the mouth I was bleeding everywhere but you were using Crane style you gotta you're fighting man yeah I do yeah you gotta know which animals and I had a blindfold and I was trying to sense it all actually came from like um like Shaolin Kung Fu or like there was another technique it you know Ip Man his he learned from a female yeah and then it'll
5:53 so there was like um it was called Flying Crainer basically if you trace the origins right they all they all have forms so the way that they taught karate back in the day is like they would have like moves of different like blocks and kicks and stuff right and then so if you trace the origins there is like a set that everyone did but then like it like for example The Shaolin Monks they were Warrior monks that were fighting off people that came in it was actually used in war but over time when you have 400 years of peace and they're not using it to kill people then they remove all the Fatal things that was practical because maybe it doesn't look cool for theater like wushu that was like from formative it just evolved to like yeah this is for
6:44 performance and then now people that weren't Warriors for like 300 years are like saying that this is warrior ████ they don't even test it and then they get killed by actual Warriors and that's what I saw as like oh ████ so these moves used to be practical and over time they say this is the traditional way but it's actually evolving yeah in a way it is kind of dumb when like uh like MMA guys go I can beat this guy up like it is sort of like a stupid thing to say right because it's like guys are just mean dude I think those are because it's like you're beating up a ████ old Chinese guy what is the time it's the other way around though I don't I think it's not the MMA guys I think it's the guy in the silk pajamas yeah I could ████ up ████ you up yeah and it's the MMA guy going
7:35 on oh ████ all right but also though it's just like okay I'm not gonna ████ beat the ████ out of you because it's like what's the point I guess it's for YouTube yeah it's a spectacle it's a thing but in my head I'm just like to me when I see that stuff I always feel some type of way because it's like it feels like they're punching down you know which is the MMA guy best feeling punch [Laughter] velocity of domination better than the dragonfly loser ████ it's a big one bro when I see when I see that I'm like yeah I just feel some type of way I don't really like it you don't like it huh I don't like see because it's dude do you see it's always a guy in a ponytail that wants to fight guy it grows like he's like yeah and he looks like he's not in shape at all so it's like okay why are you like why are you gonna even talk to these guys who want to fight you don't
8:27 worry I've been a vegetarian for 15 years there's this one guy who's like he's like an Aikido black I forgot what martial art he was but like he looks like he owns like he just he has a ponytail he's like these big tall white guy owns a Miata yeah and a lizard and a Miata and a lizard and an iguana and no he uh he starts fighting with his MMA guy and then my MMA guy just slaps him in the ear and he goes oh oh ████ hold on it's funny but like it's funny but then I watch that and I go like my heart breaks a little bit because I'm like but isn't that kind of cool to MMA but I showed Mercy like he didn't even hit him with a quote he's just like let me just argue a taste I'd argue he blew his eardrum but when I whenever I watch those videos I have yet to see an MMA guy go hard
9:19 yeah yeah it's more like a big brother I've seen the ones the Nam fan one was pretty hard The Man Fan one is like man fan what are you doing dude why are you spending time do you think that how about this you need to be doing it you're a legend you know you think that these guys deserve to be beat up the dudes that have mystical Powers yes why because they're selling that vs too and then it's basically like Colts that's exactly why I'm against those yeah you know it it it's just messed up that they they're teaching all this and taking people's money and bro if you believe that and you spend money for that you got bigger problems isn't there a little bit do you feel slightly a little bit of a conflict if those martial arts even though they're pretty phony are rooted in like Asian ████ not because there's always some white dude with a ponytail
10:10 and also think it's an Asian thing I think they're con artists yeah because I think they're selling a drink they're I actually think they're tainting real Asian ████ by Yeah by like they're like not I don't want to say like appropriate what is it like commercializing uh excluding they're faking it right it's like it's like there's Ninjutsu schools in Japan and those aren't legit no really bro because first of all no one was supposed to know who the ninjas are what what do they teach in Ninjutsu how to be a ninja like it's okay like it's like bro isn't there a song for this [Laughter] like okay so check this out when you watch all of these like ninja schools
11:00 right like the whole odd like the whole group of people that are learning are white weaves like they're like cosplay fat white guys and everybody in Japan like we have real ████ like we have kickboxing we have kyokshin we have like they are laughing at these guys because it's like um larpers yeah like they're learning how to ████ do smoke bombs and run away and like but you know what they would say it's so stupid they would say like in the streets there's no rules so like boxing Jiu Jitsu kickboxing all that stuff it's just like non-existent in the streets where anything goes because you can get hit with a white weeb shuriken but going back to what Joe said about like uh the older martial arts that
11:51 existed like yeah even wrestling like Reco Roman wrestling pancreation was like like the ancient Greek version of MMA that they were doing what did you call it pancreation yeah they would put like I think the wrestling with like open hand Stripes yeah so they were doing their own version of that in like ancient Greek time and that's what has lasted over time is the wrestling the Western boxing grappling is like because you have to use human resistance it's not choreographed you know actually um the book of firing so so muslashi he's like this legendary swordsman in Japan right and even during those times because the thing is like I think in the west they have this idea of Japan being this like land of Samurai but what they don't know is there's been 200 years ish of Peace where the samurai
12:41 became arrogant guys with swords with the license to Kill so they're just a bunch of bully like imagine like they're cosplaying they're going around cutting people up because big men on campus kind of thing yeah but with no challenges so what Musashi did was he's like I want to be the best ████ swordsman and what I'm gonna do is like Pokemon I'm gonna go to these schools and I'm gonna challenge these guys because I want to see if their technique actually works because he he's like how can your Technique work if you guys are just choreographing these moves wait are you saying that the spear and then they go like this is [Laughter] I love that though yeah it's so good when they literally have he would literally go out and test them to the death because he goes you guys call yourself ████ Warriors let's fight to the death and let's see
13:33 who the best swords technique is it's the MMA guy exactly concept of MMA and and actually being practical has always existed and this whole whole like school with dogma and being like we're traditional that's even a story in ancient times where like let's say any school that believes they're the best Elite Fighters that have choreographed moves for 50 plus years and claim that they're traditional they always get ████ up so that's that's basically like the lessons of like um I think like when people think you're a traditional ancient thing but they're constantly getting tested by people who actually do practicals what do you think about uh Kendo Kendall's a sport oh so it's not no there's actual so there's different kinds of like yado
14:24 um which is a drawing way there's like there's different Arts but I think it all came from real like killing right and warfare and then it evolved to just like an art I think if it's a sport then it's challenged and tested yeah and then they'll continue continuously evolve and be practical yeah versus like if you're just doing forms with the sword like you guy that's like a swords forms guy versus a guy that does Canada are probably chop him the ████ up yeah he's probably gonna kill him he probably won't be able to do all kinds of fancy ████ yeah think about exactly fencing too like if you actually get a sword with a guy that offenses he'll just stab you up in like three seconds I've forgot what the there's like a Eastern European Sport with fencing and grappling wow oh yeah and I forgot what it's called but like one of the students at the gym he's
15:15 like this 15 year old kid that like trains this I was like what what the ████ you training I forgot the name but it's like it's pretty ████ cool but it's like you you fight with swords and then you grapple yeah I think anything with like competition it evolves kids it's not like Muay Thai it's like they do like hundreds of fights and then it they're 17. yeah yeah because even Muay Thai has the traditional aspect [Music] part of it so that's what that's the part that keeps evolving so if you even if you do like the ancestor of Muay Thai and you're just doing forms all day which is what we see in ombok if if that if they didn't have the boxing component that would be impractical too yeah how do you feel about uh movie stars like action stars that are not actually martial artists
16:06 well I think it's all right yeah yeah I mean it's like it's like yeah because they don't have to really like be good at sucking dick to look like you suck dick [Laughter] partner right he's on the rise someone's there turns your chair on because you know that guy actually doesn't even do Marshall and you know that guy that's talking like that he also doesn't do martial arts yeah love action movies because they see it as different they don't see it as like oh it's my ████ they just go that's ████ cool like in there because stunt fighting is an art form in itself yeah I think it's like really ████ amazing it is just real fighting doesn't look cool yeah and MMA guys also love WWE this guy Denver he's got a world tour premium account well I get it though
16:56 fighting is Not Practical it's like the completion opposite but it's so cool I mean real fighting is like two guys rolling on the ground for like 30 minutes and then someone breaks them up 30 minutes dude I I'll re-watch I'll re-watch a UFC every now and then but I'll re-watch John Wick 10 more times will you are you sure yeah dude I ████ re-watch that ████ all the time dude you know what I mean he does this how cool is that because you know you're like this will never happen right real fights are over in like a second like a minute yeah just like John Wick did he does that in his movies too oh yeah yeah he does it's pretty funny though like how people it's just too much Dogma I think my favorite is when we had Brandon Lee The
17:47 Boxer here and then we asked him like which martial you think is the most useless and then he goes karate he went physically oh man dude I love karate I think it's so cool but then you said something that you didn't get to finish even mentioning he was he was like oh no I would show you this full contact karate but then you didn't get to like speak on it what's that oh the sports ride there's there's full content yeah coaching kickbox like bro you seen a real kill Christian fight yeah those ████ are gangster yeah because their philosophy was actually like you can't just be doing forms all day unless you see combat so for them they're like you need to have physical resistance to test if your moves are correct or not and then they
18:39 actually evolved karate by bringing by studying other kickboxing Sports they actually did the first street fighter in Japan they were the precursor to like K1 and all that because they invited all the stand-up striking um arts and they had an event that because they wanted to see like how Muay Thai guys fly and whatever guys and then they would be more like hey that's an effective roundhouse let's adopt that so The kyokshin Roundhouse is actually the Muay Thai round house and then um I thought that was a pretty Innovative type way and then the founder of uh kyokshin maso Yama he used to be a Shotokan guy and Shotokan guys where the original ones that systemized
19:29 karate from Okinawa into these different categories but for him he goes the type of competition that Shotokan does it's Point fighting which is like you stop an inch away from your opponent and then he goes but that's not a real fight it doesn't stop there and then you can assume that you knock them out but how do you know you actually knocked them out and then so he created a system of full contact karate um bare knuckle fighting you're not allowed to punch to the face and then and then maybe you wear a cup or whatever you can kick to the face though yeah you can kick to the house of dude which is dangerous but you can kick the face interesting they'll be this close and then a kick will go up and just knock out there yeah and it's insane it's pretty crazy but I think the philosophy behind that was like it's hard to land and if you do you're you should have blocked it it's
20:20 pretty it's just gangster but they have these fights where it's like you could do a hundred man challenge where you fight a hundred dudes back to back or whatever um that's crazy and it's it's difficult like you like to get a black belt you have to fight 10 guys back to back is just to get into the Crips yeah it's pretty it's pretty hardcore but yeah there's there's things like that and a lot of the fighters from kyokin end up in the MMA like um John Saint Pierre or uh George St Peter uh there's a big karate guy named uh Stephen Thompson he's his name is Wonder Boy and he comes out in his walkout song is the Wonder Boy song from uh Tenacious D which is pretty cool but he's like you you see him and he's like the cleanest cut white dude from North Carolina but in
21:11 kickboxing Crystal Clear like like a karate style yeah yeah like he's the only guy that's like Sidekicks in MMA The Narrative is you can't win fights like that you can't win fights to be in a karate fights huh he's koing dudes doing the crazy ████ and then does like the the 540 crazy flip afterwards like he's the man bro but he and he fights at a high level he flat first it's like sport karate and like um Point fighting yeah yeah but the dot adapted that's cool guys like Raymond Daniels too he's sick he's like a tricker fighter yeah dude he started out in doing like self-def I mean like in competition he would do self-defense like routines you do like a punch front over the thing is he's like six foot whatever right his his uh I think his half brother he's like my my like five like low fives so
22:03 it's like a foot difference and he would beat the crap out of him you want to see Karate or anything work in a real context you type in Raymond Daniels his whole highlight reel dude he'll do a two-touch spinning back kick to a guy's face and Chaos side back he'll do a 720 like right hook and Chaos which is like insane it's out of a ████ movie but he's the man all those guys and they're of course they know Steve Trotta because but you know what how sick would it be if someday one of them magic power dudes actually got it oh my God ████ dudes up with spells you're doing she blast and then the MMA guys upper half of his body he's just gone is Whispering ████ in his ear he's like but what if they pulled some live golf ████ where they paid fighters to play along with this one [Laughter]
22:54 Mark dude I could sell WWE you're like bro you sure or I'll try to punch the guy and I go oh yeah they're doing that in like uh wrestling pro wrestling he's like he's like but then some like Arab dudes entered the game and they're like no we're gonna pay this to make it real that'll be so good they're like just for one year and then at the end they could go I'll take a bow sorry you guys all get your bet money back there was that Shaolin monk like that dresses in the full orange bald whatever and then and then he's been um he made his rounds and like he was like yeah I'm gonna try to bring Kung Fu back and whatever but he's just doing kickboxing I thought of like K1 and ████ yeah yeah it was a thing where people punch him and he just like ████ blocks with no hands like these guys
23:44 yeah yeah I think once he got knocked out though I think eventually from that yeah that's illegal dude [Laughter] thank you
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