0:00 dude what if Isis is like really good on the YouTube short algorithm no they got sick thumbnails they're like dude top three reasons why you should be an Isis oh ████ I love lists [Music] just to catch us up to speed on some stuff that is apparently happening the Supreme Court is about to have two major cases that could transform the way that we interact with the internet uh-oh so next week this has to do with blockchain ████ no it doesn't actually I should U.S Supreme no it doesn't thank you keep guessing uh Zuckerberg possibly not really Matrix um torrenting streams no no it's coming back comment it's not the one um Joe you got one huh also not it okay so next week
0:52 the U.S Supreme Court said to your two major cases involving big technology companies with key aspects of the internet on the line with its rulings later this year first up on February 21st and 21st is Gonzalez versus Google the underlying lawsuit was filed by the family of an American woman nohimi Gonzalez who was killed in a 2015 ISIS attack in Paris the family alleges that Google which owns YouTube is liable because its algorithms promoted extremist content to people likely to be susceptible to it this case looks at weather section 230 of the communications decency act provides protection for an internet platform's automated recommendations go Google argues that it has immunity under the statute because Isis not YouTube was the creator of the videos quote section 230 is the foundational law of the modern internet it was devised in 1996 to
1:42 encourage the development of Internet platforms that would facilitate speech s███'s getting hairy how did Thomas pass away did they get killed by ISIS or they they joined Isis and then it says who was killed in a 2015 ice attack in Paris either way so they're an American eating croissants in Paris and they got attacked by ISIS so that's where it gets weird right because all the Facebook stuff may get political but we need regulations somewhere right you don't want every kid to be able to YouTube how to make a nuclear bomb and make one in the garage but where is that line yeah that is scary nuclear bombs over here okay we got that down the question now boils down to should tech companies control speech right because if Isis opens and uploads a video and
2:34 they deem that inappropriate what if someone views yeah yeah and to answer that earlier question she was killed at one of the restaurants struck by terrorist attacks uh yeah in France yeah because the regulation happens by a biased regulator right I almost feel like what we're talking about is kind of separate I agree with you Mike but then uh is this person or this court case almost blaming Google for the Paris attack because I think they're like kind of like yeah they are I think they are calling them they're saying that they promote Isis because the Isis messages are allowed to live on YouTube If Isis wasn't on YouTube this person would still be alive perhaps they're saying that their lack of Regulation is the reason why it helped play things like ISIS group grow and then so because Isis grows now you
3:24 know they're recruiting and then maybe they recruited someone that would carry out these attacks and then they're they're blaming Google overall for not for for letting these type of things exist the algorithm promoting more of what they looked for yeah before Isis there was a time when Isis promotion like uh recruitment videos was going all over YouTube yeah so in a related case here's the second one just to give us more context on this like you said very kind of murky conversation here in a related case the Supreme Court will hear oral arguments on February 22nd in Twitter versus tomna relatives of nara's al-assah who was killed in a 2017 Isis related attack in Istanbul argue that Twitter Google and Facebook should be held legally responsible alleging that Isis used the platforms to recruit members and that the tech companies didn't do enough to curb their extremist users
4:15 Twitter argues that the Lower Court ruling created a quote statute of impossible breadth saying that businesses like Banks and rental car companies would also be liable if a judge found that they could have done more to eradicate terrorists using those Services isn't this interesting because the exact same arguments going on Big Time opposite that Twitter's too Regulatory and YouTube's too regulatory right to be biased but these people want them to be more regulatory yeah and and it's the same idea like yeah Democrat Republican argument could be just as serious to some depending on what actions people take it's like how they talk about the Insurrection how they're like that wouldn't have happened if you hadn't allowed them to organize on your platform right well I mean that's what's going on on Twitter right now because the the mat tabibi guy he's the the Twitter files that are coming out they're showing how the FBI was working with the Democratic party to silence I
5:06 guess right-wing or even not right wing fully but just conservative foreign conservative stuff too and then all of that was getting and then like covet information they wanted to control it and um silence people that were legitimate scientists that had questions and so they're coming out with all of this stuff like on a daily basis showing how the government and Twitter at the time were working together on on silencing people that were opposing the popular thought so that kind of stuff is interesting because I'm like should government control what we read and what they think is responsible information right or should it be up to the people to read this information and choose for themselves because that's what I think a democracy should be is the citizens should be you know it's free information
5:58 and we choose whether you know we want to believe this or that or whatever versus them thinking oh you know what I think that this is better for you I don't disagree with you but the issue becomes the person with the biggest wallet will be able to be the biggest voice and I think that's happening right now no it is it is it is but it just depends what voice we want to regulate or not because yeah what Russia can throw dollars and buy a million Bots and tell us whatever we want to say and so based on us and I was even complaining to Bart the other day about how Twitter changed right and you can get a verified Thing by paying five bucks back in the day I would more likely trust a verified thing because I'm like oh this guy's probably some type of journalist or some type of academic something but now every motherfucker's got a thing and they're all talking about trains in Hawaii but don't we also I think to Joe's point I also means but we have to be in control of our ears no for sure but we but we're not in control of our ears so like let's say Isis has a billion dollars and they make all YouTube videos about how they
6:50 should join or whatever isn't there some sort of also personal responsibility of what I consume and whether or not I believe in it or I take action for sure yeah yeah but what source would you check if Isis let's take this for example buys every media every year because they have the biggest wall and the most connections online so all you are seeing and it doesn't say Isis says let's go to war right it's ████ Barbara from Michigan right because they bought that and Barbara's a safe name nowadays so so they buy you a safe American name so they buy they buy them the Google right because we all know you can pay to get your link at the highest on Google they buy Twitter they buy all this so when I go to fact check I'm also reading Isis yeah but you're you're explaining Legacy Media and some no 100 million now no that's what yeah no it's happening right yeah like Pfizer all those guys that's how they do it my point is that you can't control your
7:40 ears and you can't fact check because when you go to fact check it's also them yeah you just have no idea you have no ████ it's like what happened to Snopes yeah Oh by who I forgot who bought it but it's advisor it's they sold out you know what I mean this is also like I'm just scared because I can't fact check plus everybody just saw that recent thing about like AI recreating Joe Rogan on Tick Tock to like basically sell some ████ Amazon products yeah it's crazy and like we're we're obviously at the ████ breaking point of like AI being a mass understood concept crazy billions of dollars are getting poured into this thing from an investment point of view now because things like chat gbt have gone off the wire so crazy and it's like we're at the tip of the iceberg of what AI is really about to do no it already does right so they gave us the dumb version yeah they got a version that's that same question again though like what does it mean to like pay attention
8:30 to these platforms and understand what the truth is because even the people that maybe we uh took as truth not just like the ice is buying out like the Google ad and ████ first part but it's also the people literal people that maybe we perceive as truth speakers right getting AI recreated somehow finding its way another platform and then it's like like you know what I mean not everybody's gonna be a ████ detective yeah no and you can't is my point even if you want a detective and spent all day trying to research something you can't get an answer because I've looked into this train ████ and I've looked at all this the balloons that's true you have no clue bro that's that's really true you can know anytime you you talk about the news I always catch myself going but I don't know yeah because you really don't know or you try to at least go to some old school ████ but the legacy is ████ up too you're like well New York used New York Times used to be legitimate yeah you're like oh well CNN said but I don't I think bezels just owns Washington Post now right now everyone owns everything
9:20 exactly so and then and then whether they may not be politically driven they're money driven and they probably have lobbyists and other companies that they're trying to you know so it's either going to be political and power driven or money driven and now you're ████ so I'm moving to an Island by myself seriously in a closer look a closer look at the Gonzalez V Google case uh in terms of understanding what the plaintiffs are arguing um what the plaintiffs argue is that automated recommendation services are the active Twitter or Google or Facebook and they are distinct from the bad acts of the speakers themselves in this case Isis so section 230 should not cover the recommendation in these cases even if it covers the publication of that material they're blaming the algorithm yeah in essence right the the case arises out of tragic terrorism events in Paris and the family of one of the victims sued the internet Platforms in this case YouTube for what they say is recommending videos potentially to individuals who might have been motivated they're there by
10:11 kind of radicalizing them Google argues of course that Google has policies against terrorist content it's automated and human moderation systems are not perfect so it's possible that some terrorist content was recommended accidentally by its systems accidentally but Google says that it's a good video I mean it's accidental acts and these events is very tenuous and at that level if this connection is enough a lot of Humanity's failures will be laid at the feet of Internet platforms legal defense in this context on Section 230 is that it covers internet Publishers and one of the key things that Publishers do is recommend they filter choose decide and prioritize what to publish and what not to publish the act of sorting among various items is a core Act of Publishers and that is exactly what section 230 protects internet companies from being held liable for yeah that's like can you can you blame phone companies for like having drug dealers terrorists like I mean it's just a
11:01 service that we all use yeah so but as far as pushing more content out that's the hard part it has been a conversation obviously since you know I mean ████ the elections with Trump like yeah say uh seven years ago now yeah that's where it's a little different than phones right because because they do have a recommended which they can control if they want dude what if Isis is like really good on the YouTube short algorithm no they got sick thumbnails and they're like dude top three reasons why you should be in Isis oh ████ I love lists which is the Morongo theme song you have you guys seen those videos no I haven't it's it's modern it's they use it like actual cinematographers really they're their videos are really good they are no I swear to God they are well produced I've heard people say the Isis of videos are like I was shocked good cinematography because also Vice did this whole thing
11:51 on um Western country folks joining Isis right which is so good like people who grew up in like England all that stuff they would move and they became Isis followers and then they would play these clips and there's dudes just ████ doing karate ████ jumping over barrels and ████ was that the video of them doing the like I don't know if it was a joke or not but it was like a video of them doing like jumping jacks that but like obstacle courses and like them training like was that I don't know if that was a fake video but I remember seeing that going around how was the cinematography it looked just it looked like a just a steady cam like just no but there's there's it's like you know how we have our army commercials right where dudes are just like repelling off whatever like they're doing stuff like that and you're just like what the ████ so to me I'm like imagine being a guy that that grew up in a country where you feel like you don't belong and then you
12:41 watch these videos and then maybe they're the same religion as you and you get made fun of your religion and all these things right and it gives you a space to go like oh yeah we're ████ cool too that's what's dangerous because that's how they recruit everybody even kids in those areas right like they they grow up and they're like man I see all these ████ bombs here you know Americans are born own up our ████ and then they're like oh guess what you could join us we're actually like competing against America that's dangerous and we'll send you to college and if the video Loops perfectly back into it again ████ oh transitions they got good Transitions and that's why three top reasons to join Isis [Music]
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