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Giancarlo Esposito Almost Ended it All Before 'Breaking Bad' Happened

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0:00 but who is the industry plant Kevin Hart I really don't know I really have no idea how could you how I didn't get that vibe from him when I was working with them you [Music] know who here is a Jean Carlo Esposito fan Gus Fring why does that sounds familiar Gus Fring oh Gian Carlo Esposito yeah love him yeah I love love that dude he's a really good actor great great actor can I see a photo ience insanely good act you didn't see Breaking Bad you didn't see you didn't see do the right thing is he the yeah that's right oh yeah incredible actor Gus right bre for me to type in Gus fr the he went out bad Gus fre even his Spanish was ████ insane the whole the whole time I'm watching it with G I'm like is this Spanish good is that good

0:51 she like yeah it's ████ incredibly good I'm yeah it's incredibly good good it is incredibly good I concur um and uh he actually was just recently on another show where he talked about a period in his life when he was not the Gus Fring successful Hollywood actor that we have come to know and love um and apparently his financial situation was so bad before landing this Breaking Bad role that he says he contemplated plotting his own murder in order to take the insurance money to give to his children dude wowy he was struggling he he recalled struggling Ling with his mental health and finances back in 2008 and admitted that he wondered if his kids could collect the insurance money if he hired someone to take him out that's that he was thinking of this

1:43 uhhuh that's a rough time he said he even ran some of these ideas by his ex-wife Joy MC manle he said I started scheming if I got somebody to knock me off death by misadventure my kids would get the insurance I had four kids I wanted them to have a life it was hard moment in time I literally thought of self Annihilation so they could survive that's how low I was damn ████ what a selfless no I'm cool though hell of a thing to admit Jesus what if that energy is what he brought into the audition room and they're like dude this guy feels dark we need to get him imagine how many times he probably did bring that into a room and then they were like thanks like think this is a tide commercial this this is way too dark I think Old Navy is not looking for that

2:33 right now a choice damn I look he's one of those dudes that like I would watch anything that he's in like now but like he was always around yeah he like the was yeah the first time I saw him was was do the right thing his character was bugging out and he was his does like so far from Gus Frank yeah he's one of those character actors huh who's just in random stuff I remember I seen him on like a video video game cover he was like yeah he was like a video game character was like a Prett Far Cry yeah yeah and you oh yeah that was recently was it yeah like that was after H success that was after yeah I think I remember that too but we're talking about pre-breaking B yeah but since then he's killing it right like old Spike Lee movies like that era he's in a lot of ████ and but he doesn't have a part that looks like it it looks like it could

3:24 have been anyone back in the day like his old Parts but now it's like I can't imagine anyone else being Gus Fring yeah he's Gus Fring now you know is there any like lesson or any like Insight that he imp Parts based off of this no he's just trauma dumping he said that uh at that time um he even though he seriously considered plotting this murder for higher plan he ultimately chose not to pursue it for the sake of his children as well I started to think that's not viable because the pain I would cause them would be lifelong and there'd be lifelong trauma that would just extend the generational trauma I'm trying to move away from makes sense yeah very very shortly after he gets at the end of the day the kids just want you around yeah that's it I just man brok like a true dad do you do you think like I hate this but like a lot of actors have fake stories like this oh they have fake ones

4:14 like fake PR because it makes them so relatable after they're successful that's true you know what I mean like it makes them so like ████ I used they only get ████ once a year thing that can happen is that actors get so successful that people don't like them anymore because they're now like unrelatable you know every successful person has a thing where like oh man I was starving and then I got the role on I also don't believe he needs that type of PR like he's not the type of like actor who unlikable who is who is an unlikable unlikable actor you have an unlikable actor no but I would say to most people Everyone loves Tom Cruz but then when you think about Tom Cruz the person everyone's kind of annoyed by him I could see that I can see that because he's like a control freak on set or of the ████ like that kind of soured him on some people Ste the couch jumping on the couch he

5:05 loves ktie Holmes he was like it looked like he was just trying to compensate for like seeming gay it reminds me of yeah when people that I knew who were gay were like I love ████ I yeah it's the G-rated version of I love ████ I smash ████ yeah totally but yeah it was weird it was like not how a normal person acts all the time ████ go me and Nick dude y i just yeah I just it would break my heart if that story was just like a PR thing I heard like Bradley Cooper had something similar too like it was in a crazy dark place or something recently no no no just like before he made it yeah well there's that famous um footage now of him on James lipton's inside the actor Studio he's asking like Robert dero question or something oh yeah he's a guy in the audience he's just a regular dude like oh like like he's really into the craft he's just asking very honest questions that's dope yeah you know it's also annoying is like when people have no uh

5:57 knowledge of how the industry works and they'll just see like let's say they see DOA cat as an extra in a music video before she was famous and they go see I knew she was an industry plant oh God it's like dude she's doing ████ gigs dog yeah there's people that hustled so hard for so long yeah and they just get called a plant just because they were in something before but who is the industry plant Kevin Hart I really don't know I really have no idea how could you C Williams said that right C Williams said that yeah but then I don't know if that's true I didn't get that vibe from him when I was working with him you know ████ yeah dude ████ but to make it in the industry there's so many like failed things that you had to do like Tao was watching uh I think it was on Nickelodeon was watching this show it's called Uh is it kick in it

6:47 have you guys heard of it this fake like there's this guy called Bobby Wasabi or there's like this fake karate school or what I know what you're talking about so he was watching it and I was like I was like damn this thing looks so familiar and I saw Steve Tata in it oh and I was like wait a second I auditioned for this for Bobby Wasabi I don't know who I some some Sensi that' be crazy some Sensei guy and this was like back when like you know like when you first started YouTube you don't know if YouTube's going to become a thing so everyone's doing everything like you do standup you you audition you audition for ████ commercial on the table everything you just anything that comes your way you're just doing it and I'm like holy ████ that's crazy that I even forgot there was that phase of that and then I I barely like dipped my toes into that before like YouTube became a thing and everyone's like 100% YouTube yeah but all the people that are in acting that

7:37 like probably didn't get 10,000 rolles just to land that one it's like so much hard work you have to put in I always like any actor I'm always like man you guys ████ if you guys make it you guys really deserve it even like Lawrence I've seen him do like ████ 10 years worth of work to start like getting a trajectory like that it's crazy so many self tapes auditions like there's a lot of work that goes into it and you just wait until you book one but yeah you're just doing it just keep doing it it's kind of sick now that it's all self taped though cuz it used to be Drive downtown go get a ████ parking ticket wait 2 hours lose more money so you can have maybe the opportunity of oh maybe is 0.001% and then maybe they already booked whoever it is for the role but they're just doing this for sure yeah love it sick that that industry is crazy

8:28 it's crazy but there's something about auditioning in person too I'm like if I could just get there in front of people you know you can read read the energy true but then also like the whole point of that too though is like Risk and reward though right like cuz if you do land it like holy ████ that could be the craziest thing you don't know when you're going to be on the next friends you know what I mean yeah at what point do you give up on the dream though cuz there some people who hold out 10 15 20 years and they make it when they're you they're like you do suck though but some dude some people get get a pilot they film it it's scrapped so you think you made it you got a huge producer behind it it's scrapped it's wild it's a wild bus even between just the Friends cast just the six of them the amount of Pilots between them corre that never made it is crazy or you get a six episode run on NBC or some ████ like

9:18 that you think oh my God I made it I went to upfronts oh we're in we're in we're in canceled in in three episodes so they don't even air the last three even Joey from Friends he was a he was a side character a bit character on Mar the children they tried to do a spin-off show of his character and his dad and it didn't make it yeah well they they yeah wouldn't um they wouldn't pass muster or whatever they couldn't make it work because he was such a good side character but him as the main was like whack have you ever seen the the uh concept of backdoor Pilots That's the sickest thing was that backdoor Pilots is they used to do this back in the sound like a porno yeah seriously no they seen those videos rather than shoot a pilot let's say what they'll do is uh let's say like in Happy Days or whatever ever they'll insert characters in Happy Days for one episode where the episode will follow more of these new characters in that storyline and the real

10:10 characters kind of get a back seat and they get the audience to roll out to these people so that when they start them on a show it's like that is the pilot and they don't need the money that's how the Jefferson started so they're like they're like testing it yeah a lot of shows that you think are like oh that's the first time I'm seeing it it's actually from another show and they stuck them in for one episode Family Matters did that too that's how they that's how they got their show because Carl Winslow was on another show yeah oh he was a cop on another show yeah yeah yeah but but then such a good cop he's such a good cop yeah but no he was a cop in Die Hard right yeah and then yeah that's right the cop the mom the mom from I don't know why I said it like that cuz you just did the mom from um from that show from Family Matters was already successful on this other show like as a side character they had to give her a husband and make them a

11:00 show but they already had like a some ground swell of love for her character so they brought in Carl Winslow as a cop and then they started Family Matters after that exactly what you're talking she such a good mom if you go on YouTube and Just you'll go down a rabbit hole of back door pilots and it's so fun because you're just like wait these guys were here first they set us up yeah and and you can see uh popular shows that you you've seen and now you're like oh that's what they were trying to do that episode that's why they did that like uh like even Full House like You' be like oh that was an attempt and then they scra they had an attempt to like try that on Seinfeld or friends and then they just ended up saying no it doesn't work it doesn't work cuz then they're able to get the neon and go like oh this is a low rated episode it's not worth trying to make it anymore didn't they put like Mor on Happy Days to start that whole thing like yeah they they started on Happy Days yeah yeah Mor Mindy yeah he's like I'm an alien like they're really running out of ████ Happy Days that's

11:51 where jump the shark ████ came from yeah yeah back door Pi is crazy it's a great way to save money like rather than like make this whole day well and you're it's like a it's like a tuber collab where you bring someone in and like they're new and they oh I started my channel go here same exactly like that

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