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Polyamory is DIFFICULT

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0:00 And then they're like, "Out of all of your girlfriends, which one of you guys think I'm the funnest and none of them vote for you?" You're like, "Oh, I got four boyfriends and none of them think I'm funny. >> Four heartbreaks in one." >> The question is, you get your your back blown up by all four. You know what I mean? [Music] >> Okay. What are some of the weirdest uh relationship arrangements you've ever come across in life? Cuz like as an example, uh like polyamorous couples or or throppples. Have you ever uh known anybody who's um kind of like in Japan how they got like the soap land claws? >> Yeah. If they go hookery, it's okay. Have you ever seen any relationship uh styles that were unconventional? >> Well, what you said, the polymer bull.

0:52 >> Polymer. Polymer. Yeah. >> Is that a type of like fabric or metal? >> I think it's a plastic. >> It's like a type of plastic but heavy duty which can which can which can heat >> which you know. >> So are you trying to talk about polymer or >> anyways whatever that was the the the poly. >> Did you know anybody that was polyamorous? >> No. But as soon as I heard about it through Instagram and how people are like, "Hey, we're we're poly um you know, I was just like looking at it like not a white people again." Like this is bull. Why y'all making up hella random ████ Like just cuz you feel like it. Like sometimes your feeling doesn't need to be made to a thing. Your feelings could just keep it to yourself, you know? But now it's like a whole thing. >> I I I heard a really good term. this one

1:44 uh girl she called gentrified cheating. >> Gentrified cheating. >> See like stupid. >> I thought that was really smart. I'm like wow. >> Let's be honest. Where do you think HOA came from? >> And the person who said that, what does that have to do with anything? What does HOA have to do with it? >> What I'm saying is HOA was built by Karens because they wanted to keep it which is I I believe it's okay, right? Cuz you want to keep the neighborhood specific, >> keep your properties. So he likes the HOA, >> which is fine. >> I like Ho. >> Yeah, I know. Bart loves Ha. >> I like HOA, too, actually. >> But some Hoys are just ridiculous. >> Well, yeah. Yeah, they're not. It's not perfect. >> You're like, what the ████ But anyways, I think that s███'s all whack. >> Hoys and polyamorous people. Okay. >> And the person the person who called it gentrified uh cheating was a polyamorous person.

2:34 >> Exactly. Whack. >> Wow. >> It was this girl who was like uh who had previously been in polyamorous. >> Oh, I think I see it's an Asian girl, right? Yeah, I see. >> I thought she had a really great take. Yeah, >> her take was that >> to be truly polyamorous, you have to be very mature, self-secure. Like, you have to be honest. You have to be more open than in a straight like regular relationship cuz you have to be like okay with being like, well, you might feel a little jealousy or whatnot. Can you talk that out? >> But then she says that everyone, was it New York or >> wherever she was at? She says that Denver they were just pretending >> and they were just like it's like a hall pass to cheat but they none of these people were actually open and cool with anything >> and they were getting mad and jealous and all that and like they're just yeah but they just wanted to ████ freely with the with the with the badge of okayness. So she was like, "I actually don't want

3:24 to be a part of that mess." Cuz I guess like the real polyamorous community, they want to be around other open and chill people, >> not be a part of drama and mess >> like and be like, "Wait, I thought you guys were open and cool. Why are you guys jealous and angry at each other about this?" And like some people are really just using it to be hedonistic. >> But that's that's majority of the stories that come out at the end. >> Majority. Yeah. >> Do you think that it could truly work though? >> No. I knew a girl who she had a boyfriend and then a dom because she was a sub and her boyfriend wasn't into that. >> Oh. >> So she had like a boyfriend and they're >> so it's like a supplemental part. >> Yeah. And then but they were kind of open to where like she had like she would go through the doms like she was allowed to like date for that specific reason. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Weird. I I think I've learned that

4:14 like you can't really make the call >> if that's not what you're into. like if if you're you'll never see it work in your own head if you don't like that type of thing. But I think it's possible if people are truly really all about that and they die a perfect life of that. You know what I mean? Cuz you only know at the end. >> That's the thing. is like this girl who's like saying that she went through it and then when she started to see things like uh someone in like this in this polymerous relationship was starting started to steal one person away more like things everything can happen because you need that many people to agree on the same sentiment it's really ████ hard >> that's hard >> it's super difficult so I don't know how like >> with just one person >> yeah so then if she ended up saying like eventually like oh it doesn't work then it's like who does it work for the person who like did it forever Like I don't know if anybody really gets to

5:04 that point. >> Does the circle all Do they all date each other or is it like a you can just date other people outside of >> I don't know. I guess it's a it's a f███████. That's what it is. >> This is stupid laying down the law. >> No, this this love ████ is ████ Like I I have enough love for the for four homies and four what? No, it's not. You only got love for like a few. You know what I mean? But at the end of the day, it's literally just a what they said. It's a whole pastor. >> So when it's poly amorous, do they end up having kids with all of them too? >> Like they have like four four moms. >> I'm telling you, the government ain't going to do that for you. >> That's Mormon amorous. >> Like all the dads and moms, they just all share like >> cuz it just sounds like sexual. Like it just sounds like I'm with multiple partners that I have different dates and enjoying. And I only think that because in my personal experience as for friends

5:54 that I've had that are polyamorous, they're always alternative lifestyle people in general. So it's not like a normal conventional person that just happens to be polyamorous and that's their one feature that's like different from society. Everything about them is different. >> Like their job, their >> different. They got like crazy ass like things about them physically and like just all around just like bizarro people. And then that's why like people like right now people are talking about there's like a polyamorous look. They go like why do they always look like that? >> Well that's true. They always look like you don't want to have sex with them. >> Well they always they always look like Yeah. kind of like a countercultural appearance. >> Do they like electricity? >> Or is they like they only have candles at home or >> how alternative are we talking? >> Yeah. How alternative are we talking? >> They probably look like they stink. I guess think like like Soho art vibe of

6:47 like maybe like almost bohemian in a way where it's it's just it seems like a modernday beatnick almost. >> What happens when you get older though? Like cuz they get older and then >> but that's what I mean. >> Life changes. >> I think by the time they're older usually people have just lost track of them. >> No, by the by the time >> they become homeless. >> They're not polyamorous anymore. These two girls that that I was friends with that were polyamorous within this like whole like community that they made in like the Bay Area. None of them are polyamorous anymore. >> Exactly. >> That's what I mean. I don't know anybody who who lived it to their death. >> So it's a once you're in your 30s, you don't have time to be polyamorous. I ain't got time to date. >> Well, it's it's only going to last as long as you have other people that are polyamorous. Cuz then if you guys >> Yeah. It's got a a community. >> Yeah. If you guys break up, you think it's it's not super simple to build that again with another group of people. Like

7:37 >> it's it's it is very hard to do. Like I understand why it's why it's complicated cuz all those people have to be in agreement. It's hard enough to get two people on the same page. >> But aren't there big swinger communities too? But that's different cuz it's not a relationship. >> Yeah. I don't think that's poly. >> But that's that's that's how it should that's how it should have stayed. What is this relationship relationship that makes absolutely >> that's a lot of time based on love and affection and it's like this one big like happy circle of people that are like the courting is still involved. Well, like they're like they build a codependence with each other. Like I get it and I see it, but I just don't I don't know if that's like >> that's that is hella. >> I haven't seen it become a lifestyle from beginning to end. >> Well, think about the conversations also like right what's your favorite ████ color next day or the same two hours from there. What's your favorite ████ color? It's the same ████ question. So angry. >> Such an aggressive way to ask. >> Yeah, cuz it's it's it's not smart. So,

8:29 you know, I was just pissed off. Is there any circumstance you would be okay with your partner having another relationship? Like any situation where you >> like in my current relationship? I don't think so. >> I don't think so either. >> Nope. >> If I was I could see it happening if I was born and raised different. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> So like I think everyone can handle >> it. Everyone can handle what their normal is. So, for example, let's say your mom was always the side chick. >> Yeah. >> That's all you would be. >> You're making us think of that. >> Or or let's say you you were uh your mom was always like a trophy wife style, right? And then so she's like like so for example, if you think about in rich circles, they marry like a hot model,

9:20 girlfriend, a trophy wife, whatever. And then um the the the moms will teach their daughters to be like that. >> Yeah. >> To like not really, oh just find a rich husband, be super materialistic, whatever, right? >> But then also in those circles, it's kind of like, yeah, my husband's going to cheat. >> That's just that's just how it goes. That's just, you know, like I expect I expect my billionaire husband to have like another family on the side or maybe a mistress or whatever. He does what he wants. M >> but it's like more accepted I think because that's normalized in these circles. Yeah. >> So, if I grew up in that circle and everybody's doing it from my dad to brothers to everybody, even if I've heard of this like story romance where couples actually love each other, like it might just be so different to me, you

10:11 know, cuz I think that's that's the I think that's the thing is like what did you grow up in and what is the normal? So like if especially if like let's say everyone in your family is a sex worker and then you're just like chill with like dating sex workers too. So it's it's kind of like that like >> if you grew up where both of your p like families nuclear this is normal for you. You're going to want that normal too, >> right? And I think that's where you kind of have to think. I mean maybe this is like a opinion where I could get totally shut down. I'm open to it. But I think first when I see people with unconventional relationships, like let's say cuck guys for example, like guys who like their girl to like hook up with other people in front of them, like a part of me is like, is that that person's way of coping uh with the fact that they can't stand up for themselves

11:01 and they're like, "Let me just create this world where I like this >> because I can't like I take ownership. I can't do anything about it." You know what I mean? Maybe it's not that they have a fetish for it, but that like that's the only way to survive mentally is to be like, "F███, I'll never be I don't have a spine to ████ stop this from happening." >> Sad. It is very sad. >> Can I go find those people that help them? >> Those type of people with that type of mentality, they're pretty weak. >> Well, I don't think that like I I'm don't think that's all of them. But I think polyamory might have a similar element of that where like some of these things are happening not by choice, but by way of coping with this is what I have. This is >> they think the solution. Let me make the most of what I can get. Cuz there's a lot of that in society in general. Like people sometimes have harmful things or unconventional things, not by choice. Like some of the not best looking people are in polyamish relationships. I don't think that's a coincidence. >> Nope. >> You know what I mean? Like if you're if you're the most popular person in school

11:52 and you're a jock, you're probably not going to end up in a polyamorous relationship. If you're the most popular girl in school that everyone thinks is beautiful, you probably won't end up in poly. It just doesn't like the details are the same. >> Yeah. Cuz what if it's like you want to feel wanted because you were never the hot one. So now you want like 50 dudes to want you and then you're like in a polyamorous relationship and you feel desired and loved by so many >> or your your your seek is always to be counter culture because you can't access the normal culture or it's just you don't resonate with it or you just don't find anything there because you've never been there. >> Oh, that makes sense cuz it's like if I'm a reject and I'm going to embrace that and be like different, >> right? Cuz in some ways that's that's all of us in >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's true. >> Like I always felt like I was niche or alt, but also because I I wasn't part of the mainstream thing. >> Yeah. >> You know, like there's just little bits of that. I feel like some of those are just extreme cases of that.

12:43 >> My my ultimate test for a love I always feel like is sacrifice. >> So I think about like if I'm So right now the way we have our family built, I'll jump in front of a train for my family, right? Like no questions asked. Amen. I know Gio would do the same thing, too. So I'm like, if I am in love with four chicks, like >> that's four train that's too many trains, man. >> Which train am I jumping in front of? You know, I'm like, >> there it is. >> That's too it's too it's too difficult. And are those other four chicks going to jump in front of all of my trains or like, you know, I'm like it just it's just so crazy when it comes down to it. >> Thank god there's no trains in Vegas. Yeah, >> that's what I think about like if you know ████ hits the fan and like let's say you have to have a will or you got to pass down all your all the stuff like which one do you pass it down to? And like you know to me like like love is is

13:35 so deep. It's not just about like what turns you on or like who you want to ████ or whatever. It's like it's such a deep thing >> that it becomes like this giant ocean and it's hard for me to just throw that around with like five people. >> Yeah, that's true. And and I don't think everyone that's in something is desperately trying to prove that it works. I think sometimes they're just doing it. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And they're just in it and that's it. They're not really trying to like sell it to you and be like this is what you should be doing. But I think there's also the I think a lot of people overlook the fact that like maybe that's just like what are you going to do? Take that away from them and tell them to be more like you? It's the same idea >> both both directions. Maybe they just don't belong in your idea of love and and you don't belong in theirs, you know. Either way, I think polyamory is just harder in general because you get that's a lot more hearts broken. >> Well, the more people you have to manage in any situation from a church to a

14:27 business to a friend circle is just hard. More people is just harder. >> So hard. And I feel like if you are cuz you're saying that these maybe like be insecure people or that might be a factor. I would be more insecure because no one is only choosing me. >> Yeah. >> That'd be so hard. Imagine you had four dudes and then you guys were just you're like, "You know what? I'm going to conduct a little survey this month and then they're like, "Out of all of your girlfriends, which one of you guys think I'm the funnest and none of them vote for you?" You're like, "F███, I had four boyfriends and none of them think I'm funny." >> Four heartbreaks in one. >> The question is, you get your your back blown up by all four. You know what I mean? >> You know what I'm saying? Like, come on.

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