0:05 Welcome back to Careful Boys. We had just done a video about the uh shooting of that woman by the ICE agents in Minneapolis. And then at the time we only had a very limited uh selection of angles. And now an angle has come out that shows the opposite side. And uh I think we have to do another video because this changes some of our opinions. >> Yeah. cuz there's more there's more evidence now >> since we um did the other video. President Trump has now released a statement about it. We're going to read that after this. But here is that other angle. Um I can't zoom into this. So you'll just have to see it. >> Right there. >> I don't know if >> Oh, I missed it. Can you do it? Sorry. >> I didn't I didn't have I didn't have context. >> Just like just slow if you could just slow roll it. >> Okay. So that's the cop. Yeah,
0:56 >> that's the cop right there. That's the one in question that she may have hit or not. >> From the other side, I you don't even see this guy at all. >> Yeah, barely >> until he's like out of the way. Yeah. So, he's standing here right in front of the the uh the vehicle is not within view. It's behind this one. >> See, she hits him. She hits She hit him. >> She actually sideswiped him. Also, when you watch the other angle really, really slowly, I believe he actually has his cell phone out in his left hand. >> Yeah. >> And he's recording her to like document what's going on. And then it's when she reverse that he's still he's you could see the cell phone. And then right when she pulls forward, that's when he starts reaching for his gun and he pulls it out with his right hand. >> I see. >> Yeah. More footage is always better.
1:46 >> Yeah, cuz that's a weapon. He's getting pushed from that car. >> The the vehicle is now a weapon and he is responding to that. >> Wow. >> I mean that's >> Yeah. Right there you can see that's actual I guess legal contact. >> That's contact for sure. Yeah. >> Very contact. >> What did uh what did President Trump say? >> Cuz at that point you don't know if she's going to accelerate or not. And >> you don't know if you're you're going to be under the vehicle in two seconds. You have no idea. I mean obvious I mean I do understand and believe it's still going to be a hot point of negoti like of of arguable. >> He should have shot the tires. >> It's it's very it's very argumentative is all. >> Yeah. That's what people always do. It's like shoot a shot in the leg. It's like come on dude. That's not what they're training. >> Shot the brake lines. >> Right. Right. [laughter] >> You know in the movies I've seen so many times when they shoot the tire and then the the the car
2:37 >> Yeah. I saw Vin Diesel stop the car with his bare hands. >> Okay, here's a statement from Trump. He says, "I have just viewed the clip of the event which took place in Minneapolis, Minnesota. It is a horrible thing to watch. The woman screaming was obviously a professional agitator, and the woman driving the car was very disorderly, obstructing and resisting, who then violently, willfully, and viciously ran over the ICE officer who seems to have shot her in self-defense. And then he continues here and says, "Based on the attached clip, it is hard to believe he is alive, but is now recovering in the hospital. The situation is being studied in its entirety. But the reason these incidents are happening is because the radical left is threatening, assaulting, and targeting our law enforcement officers and ICE agents on a daily basis. They
3:28 are just trying to do the job of making America safe. We need to stand by and protect our law enforcement officers from this radical left movement of violence and hate." Are we seeing the right thing in this clip? >> It sounds extreme. I don't see what he's saying. >> Is there another Is there another ICE agent that's under the >> No, I don't know what he's hospitalizing. >> He acts like the guy got hit and he's like rolling >> ran over. Are we Are we Are we missing something? >> I mean, maybe he cracked a rib or something or cracked a cracked his hip. I >> That's the clip he's referring to. He He didn't get run over. >> No, he didn't get run over. >> Maybe the tire went over his foot and we didn't see it >> and he's got a broken toe and he's in critical foot condition. [laughter] Maybe >> Bob Marley died because of a toe condition. >> I would hate to have another to record a third video like this cuz we didn't see that there was a guy under it. But if he It sounds exaggerating that he's saying
4:18 ran. >> It's clearly exaggerating. >> I don't think Trump exaggerates though. >> Cuz if that's the guy No, >> unless What the hell was that? >> It could be they hit his foot. Yeah, that could be. >> No, there's no one on the ground. Okay. >> But I do think like it's easier to look at this from someone that's not in the moment and go like, "Oh yeah, he shouldn't have died for it. >> Should have died." >> Like he didn't get hurt. So it's like, well, >> oh, maybe because he did it that way, he didn't get hurt. I think it I think it's it's really it's really it's really tough because this is an extremely bipolar conversation and it's so extremely bipolar and radicalized that like you can't like try and logically rationalize information from what's going on. >> How can you diagnose what this conversation is from afar?
5:09 >> Cuz you're you're not a psychologist. All I'm saying is that if I was trying to be like truly centrist about this and objective, obviously the very very most terrible thing is that somebody died from the situation. So him not addressing that in some manner of sympathy regardless of this is what Obama's really good at by the way. Obama was really good. It didn't matter what his actual like actions were like silently >> drone strike an American citizen. That's our bad. But it but he was very articulate and understood how to appeal to the masses by way of he was super articulate. He could figure out a way to address the tragedy of like what had happened to somebody on his enemy's side so to speak. He could address that and that's I think that's the extremism. >> How can you diagnose that this conversation is bipolar when you're not an expert?
5:59 >> That's fair. Sure. Like to even try and >> said this is a bipolar conversation. >> Try and even answer that as a joke would put me on an extremist side. You mean like you mean it's polarizing or bipolar? Polarizing. Sorry. Polarizing. >> I'm just going >> Is that why you're making [laughter] fun of him? >> Well, cuz people always you can't diagnose somebody from before. That's crazy. >> He He is He is a part of the problem though, like how he demonizes. >> It's almost like he's justifying the death of someone. Like it's like, okay, well, it's somewhere in the middle. This She thought she was doing the right thing protesting and like, you know, >> but but protesting is different than >> But also, but yeah, hold on. But the thing is, as soon as you start accelerating at that point, no one knows your intention and by law, if you're charging toward an officer, you're gonna get shot. >> So, like, I don't know. You know, everyone can look at this and go, "Well,
6:51 you know, maybe it wasn't worth dying for." And it's like, well, how would you know if she wasn't trying to kill him? >> That's it. It's happen so fast. I feel like this is one of those things where like um without enough information it looks so bad on the ice end of things that like the proper politically like uh press response is to kind of get in front of it quickly and make it much more of a self-defense conversation which again I think objectively we look at it and like it kind of makes sense because you don't know the intention. We're trying to break down like these these ████ 480p videos frame by from far away from frame by frame, right? But >> horizontal. Just hold it horizontal. >> From a press point of view, they're like, "We need to get ahead of this thing cuz optics are not in our favor." And it looks like a trigger-happy gun quick like moment. >> Well, I mean, if you break it down to
7:42 what you're supposed to do, right? If cops say stop, you kind of want to stop. >> But how many people are jumping on critical thinking? How many people are like, "Hey, hey, we are a part of a podcast that has to have like a 15-minute conversation of like a very very 12se secondond video clip. So, like, let's dive into it and try to understand this guy's point of view or this girl's point of view." Like, how many people are actually doing that versus watching maybe a 12-se secondond clip, seeing somebody that they follow on Twitter or Instagram who is like a part of like their indoctrinated like mentality of government philosophy and then going like that's ████ up. It's a bipolar conversation. >> Shut the ████ up. >> Wait, so >> kind of made sense though. Kind of makes you understood. You understood. You understood my idiocy. And we are idiots here. That's the whole point. We are idiots here. >> If we reel it back, right, at the end of the day,
8:32 >> if if uh if if an officer says stop >> exactly, >> aren't you just >> supposed to stop? >> Exactly. >> Like, yeah, they can't shoot you for driving away, but if there's a cop in front of your car, you don't try to drive. >> That's it. But what if you're so deep in the belief that you don't believe in the law enforcement? >> We're talking about two different things. >> The law enforcement officer doesn't know that. >> So, so we're talking about two different things. I'm just talking about protocol and you're talking about the psychology behind the person behind the wheel. I get it. Right. And I empathize for like, yeah, she might be radicalized or whatever, but the law or the common sense thing to do is if an officer is pulling you over or telling you hold on, right? And if you drive away like a fugitive, then guess what's gonna happen? Like, yeah, you're you're not going to get shot, but they're gonna come after you because they have to come after you. >> I think that I think the argument in America today, though, is that people
9:22 look at people like police officers different from ICE agents. I don't think they see the same version of law enforcement, and the same logic applies. I think they see ICE agents as a like um the muscle of a federal government that is fascist and that is doing things in an immoral version of human and humane society. I think they look at police officers in a completely different version of things whether they hate or love or respect. >> But four years ago they did the same ████ >> I can see that. But I also just think in the heat of the moment, people forget all protocol. Cuz even, you know, like we all know law enforcement, they're just there to execute the law, right? You really settle your dispute in the court. But even when people are getting pulled over for a traffic violation, they'll argue with the cop, but the cop's not the judge or anything. So even when it comes to local police, people
10:12 forget that they're just going to issue a ticket. Just take it, sign it, go fight your case at the court. But people just straight up have an argument. And I feel like this is just like another escalated version of it. In both cases, if people can just follow protocol, just listen to what they have to say. And if you have a big case, you're going to settle it in a different part of the judicial system. I think everything will keep will stay like peaceful and calm. >> I do think that makes sense again when you're critically thinking. But I I do believe that there is a difference in perspective between law enforcement and ICE agents in today's society in America. >> I agree with you. >> They see them as like Nazis, SS troops or some ████ >> Yes. especially media influenced portrayal. >> Yeah. So, she's fearing for her life because maybe she thinks ICE agents are operating not within the boundaries of the law and they're just acting like bounty hunters that grab people up and do whatever. So, that's a I mean, but
11:02 that's paranoia, right? Like, if we go back to what is legal and what you're supposed to do regardless is like, okay, if a mall cop tells me to stop, I'll ████ run >> because they don't really have any power. But maybe that's what they're thinking of an ICE agent. They're not looking at it as like, yeah, >> it's like, take this, it's like the Nick Shirley video in Minnesota, right? Where he's at the the daycare leing center or whatever, right? And then he's going in there camera ready and stuff like that and he's like, "Hey, blah blah blah." And then that one like Karen lady walks in front and she's like, "No, don't open the door. They're ICE agents out here." It's like, would the same person of society go like, "Don't open the door. The police are here." I think that there is a fundamentally different perspective in which like society deems or that version or that half of society looks at
11:53 an ICE agent and thinks that they are not the legal real police of like our community. >> The other crazy thing is the reality. The reality is different now because when Obama was president, he deported more people than Trump did. But it wasn't this big media story because Trump does a bad job like we've been talking about of weaponizing the conversation in such a way where it insenses people, makes them all go crazy about this top these topics where Obama was just quietly deporting the ████ out of everybody. He was called the deorter-in-chief when he was uh president. He deported more people than Trump still has. So that's kind of what's crazy about this is everyone's so incensed about ICE, but ICE was doing all this ████ under Obama completely scot-free. Nobody gave a ████ And it was happening the same way. It's just now it's media um what do you call it?
12:44 Personified because Trump made it all white hot ████ in the media. >> Maybe, again, hot take, but maybe that's what the sensitive America of today needs. It's not just about like the righteous actions. It's about like the sensitive articulation to make the like difficult things happen quietly happen. I I don't know. I'm not I'm not saying I believe that. >> No, I agree with you because it's it's you when you make people crazy by insensing them the with rhetoric, it does have effect. Yeah. Like they don't they can't they don't want to comply because they go, "Oh, well, I don't I can't trust ICE. I don't know what they're going to do to me." >> These videos have shown that Trump is not a unifier, right? He's dividing people. Whereas Obama, while he definitely divided people in his own way, he on the surface level was unifying everybody enough where he could deport more people than Trump.
13:34 >> Tension. That's what I'm saying. >> During Obama, >> and you didn't have people filming ICE, >> but he was doing the same. You never even thought of it. >> You could see you you drove under free overpasses and you see ████ Ice everywhere because And ICE was more aggressive than they were now. >> I remember. >> Yeah. >> And there was no ODF or Yeah. There was no Obama derangement syndrome conversation, right? It >> Well, no, they they actually did do there was a s███████ of of Obama hate on from the right, for sure. >> Yeah, they were saying he's not even American, you know? >> But it was well censored, my friend. >> It But it wasn't popular. Like Trump Trump um won Indiana the last two times. Obama won Indiana before Trump did. You know what I'm saying? Like >> Trump actually won Obama's former supporters. >> Exactly. >> So they're both populist kind of presidents. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> No, but they rode popular.
14:24 >> The difference is though came into the game and he really divided and roasted. But also in general the way that politics is, it's so we live in two different worlds >> cuz it's not just Trump, but it's like the internet era where everyone's in echo chambers. So we're like kind of like to your point, you say >> these people have a completely different view of how they see ice. They don't see him as really they they they look they see him as Gustapo ████ secret police. >> So yeah, in her mind she's running away from the Nazis, right? She's in fear. So that makes a lot of sense. But then like for me >> it all just goes down to regardless of your paranoia or how you view or what you think might happen, it all goes down to what the law the law is the law, right? And then you fight things through court or whatever because if you try to
15:14 evade, no matter what, it's not going to end well. >> Yeah. Anytime you try to evade, like even if you're in the right, it's not going to end well because they have to chase after you. >> I agree. >> Or even obstruct because she that's not going to end well either. >> And and that Gustapo like style police perspective if they're being empowered and entitled by the highest sitting power in your government of the country you live in, like what? Running is going to be worse. And and that's like that's a tough thing to swallow, but it is. And I do think we should protest if you'd believe you know what's right is right% but >> within also preserve your life like to fight another day like you got to protest smart. >> Yeah. Like something that probably Obama might have or would have said was still somehow backing for people's right to peacefully protest and support that and
16:06 feel really really sad about this tragic situation and to continue promoting that people peacefully protest. But the second you cross that boundary of peace is the second things and tragedy can happen. And that's what happened today. >> And that's the thing whether he believed it or not cuz uh like I don't know what intentions are. I know what politicians say and don't say. Obama came across better with that because his rhetoric wasn't incendiary. And so it's less likely to make 37y old white ladies who go to yoga lose their ████ brains when they see an ice truck. But the media the media also wasn't amplifying everything Obama said >> the way that they do like like Trump's asking for it but then that ████ gets like it radicalizes everybody who already hates him to like take action. >> Very true. >> This is this is going to create like
16:56 avalanches of momentum from many snowballs at the top of the mountain that are like crazy. Th this is honestly going to divide the country so much more. Hopefully mo more people look at this as a reason to not throw your life away over something like this, >> right? And don't try to run over a police officer. I don't even know she was trying to do that. But >> yeah, she could be trying to just escape. Yeah, but whatever. >> But whatever. You can't do that ████ >> makes it not worth it. It's like so you're going to die over that like >> whether or not you meant to do it. The fact that you put yourself in that position. >> Yeah. She's cuz she's so insens. >> It'll probably be debated forever. Like who knows? >> You know what's crazy? It's like it is so divisive right now cuz you have it feels like at least I don't know numbers but it feels like there's more protesters than ever but also on the same side they they have more people applying to be ICE and border patrol
17:47 than ever >> and and more recruitment. >> It's mo more military recruitment in history. >> There's there I do feel like there are more protests. I do also feel like most of them make no sense to me. How do you how can you be no kings and also free Maduro? >> That ████ makes no sense to me. means you just it's it's circumstantial where you don't want Trump as your dictator, but you're okay with other countries just having a dictator. >> Yeah. [laughter] Like some he seized power like >> No, no, no. The argument is you don't want Trump as your dictator. And because you don't want him as as your dictator, you don't want him doing other things to other people. That's not fair. >> It's it's all Trumpentric is all. >> It's just I hate Trump. It's just it's contrarian to whatever Republicans are doing. But that's fine. And I don't I think that's awesome if you had that opinion. It's still not worth losing your life. Like come on, man.
18:39 >> Live through this whole ████ like that. You'll make a bigger difference that way. >> I want people to effectively get their point across. And I want them to fight smart. But like going out to the streets, putting yourself in danger, and hitting a bongo drum isn't going to change the world. It's not going to ████ do. >> But you might raise a couple of dollars. >> The woman who died left behind a child, too. >> Damn. Yeah. >> She had a kid. So, it's it's like that's going to be worth it for you. It's a shame.
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