0:00 but like you can't say like like skinny people will eat McDonald's and know it's not healthy yeah you know what I mean a fat person can't be eating McDonald's and say they're healthy that's not fair you ever bring like a fat dog to the vet the the vet straight up goes hey we need to like lower the food you got to go on my walks your dog's going to die in a couple don't listen to that [Music] doctor one of our most just obsessive fans uh Ryan hey man I'm not yeah I'm I'm a fan submitted submitted this video for us to react to I've never seen but Nick submitted it to me I sent it to Ryan I was and then I submitted to you cuz I'm a fan of you there's a lot of submissions here I don't know how to put you guys in one group submissions I have no idea I wish I knew some submissions dude let's just
0:51 watch this together I wanted to I wanted you guys to react to it because I know uh arum's going to love it and then Bart will also like it okay what of Health yeah that's really complicated right I think I want to sort of I want to talk about that question but I want to start by saying that you know no one has to be healthy no right like I mean it's like no like there is no governing body that's like out there putting you know what I mean no one owes anybody that in either the traditional sense of the word or any other more Innovative or you know more politicized maybe even version of that word so I think it's important to say like and and I I want to back up and bring in intersectionality and say like right like look at the disabled Community right um like I think people with disabilities have an activist within
1:42 that space have consistently been saying like I'm never going to be your notion of healthy that doesn't mean I don't get to be a full human you get to treat me some kind of way right and so I think that I love taking that principle within disability rights to Fat activism and to understandings of fatness so I want to start there right like no matter what size you are you don't owe anybody else your health but I mean for me like in an ideal world where like in an Ideal World there wouldn't be health-based gatekeeping at all what is your definition I don't understand what okay so it says no one has to be healthy by Virgie toar weit Zar for SF Health Department well if she's talking about how like people like it's like people should be respected or whatever like I mean if it's an emotional argument versus like when she says no one owes
2:33 anyone to be healthy or whatever I'm like what is she talking about like what does that even mean yeah what is she what is she angling towards like what's the end goal with that did you guys get like what she was trying to Joe she doesn't owe you anything yeah but what does that mean I think in her mind it's like oh I my definition of healthy could be whatever I kind of want like that's what it kind of seems like and it's like there's no standardization across the board between body types and I'm like that's kind of or maybe maybe the idea that any concept of Health shouldn't be enforced in any like space to me it's this you believe whatever you want that's on you um but the minute your irresponsibility encroaches on me then that's a problem so for example if you want to keep proceeding towards a way where you're become diabetic pay for
3:24 your own own medication and all that but then when you have to tap into other people's taxes and then you know and you have to like kind of like suck resources because of your irresponsibility then to me then then there's a problem that's how I see it but if you're like you know what I am my own version of Health whatever I'm like okay cool if you if that's what you want that what's makes you happy that's freaking awesome good for you but don't don't don't come bug me yeah cuz if you're over 18 yeah you're you're allowed to freaking smoke if you're over 21 you're allowed to drink you're allowed to gamble if you want to ruin your ████ life and do things excessively that's what an adult like makes that choice and then if they if if you you face the consequences of those choices of excessive use of anything so what is she I still don't understand what she's talking about I
4:15 think she's thinking people are forcing a healthy lifestyle onto her but I think people that are pushing Health are doing it because they want to push the information what you do with the information is up to you but people that have discovered that oh this is healthy for you this is good you know ex walking and breathing and you know cutting down from fats and salts that's good for you not saying you have to live this way but take the information so that if you do choose to live your life that way the information is out there but no one's pushing Health on her do well do you think that if she's like um a government official in the SF Health Department yeah I have no idea yeah that's kind of crazy wait she's a government official well she's the weight Zar for SF Health what the hell is a weitong I don't know what that is what's her name uh Virgie Tovar Virgie is VG i e and toar t o v a yeah I'm with Bart when it comes
5:05 to okay so like what it's perception right because her mentality was like Hey I want to bring the vision of like what people see as obesity and all that stuff is the same as like people with disabilities but I actually don't think it's the same from for me because one is a lifestyle choice where it's like like you're I see it as food addiction so I don't see it as like no one's born obese you become food addicted over the years and then that's your lifestyle and then and then so it's not promoting a healthy lifestyle because you're overeating some people might say well I have a thyroid issue or whatever but if you medically do then you are in the disabled category because you have
5:55 health issues so that's completely different um or you might have a mental health health issue and then you know you're morbidly obese and you have you're like 400 lb overweight you just addicted you can't stop right so there's I think it's like different it's like no one okay so if you're if you like smoking cigarettes and then you have to get a WR lung replacement right like should the public pay for that lung transplant you're the one that decided to smoke cigarettes no one was born like smoking cigarettes like you know I don't I don't know so I don't think it's a disability in the same way I might be ignorant to this but like when you give that example of like uh somebody else's like disability or health issues or something like that and then it might encroach on like your tax dollars like where does government or tax so the I'm I'm I'm assuming a specific so I could be wrong but I'm assuming a context that
6:46 she's trying to paint and since she is a government official based off I guess the she's not a government official but she was hired as a consultant in 2024 for 6 months by the SF Department of Public Health So based off I guess what her like job title is and then based off of how uh it seems like she needs to be fit into certain categories then to me I'm like oh okay she's talking about this topic from a public health perspective that's how I'm ass that's what I'm assuming I mean there's like it's such a snippet that like I'm just trying to paint the rest of the picture so I'm like okay from a public health perspective the things that we talk about are things that uh from like anywhere from Ada you know like making sure curbs are are are wheelchair accessible to um people that actually need help where do we allocate tax
7:37 dollars to all of that there are things that I feel like yeah we should for sure help people that need the help but when she's talking about her health and I think what is probably making this video a little bit more controversial she does look heavy set which are lifestyle choices to me it seems like I can keep making my lifestyle choices don't fit me into this category then to me I'm like that's perfectly fine if you keep um making these lifestyle choices but if these lifestyle choices are putting you into this category that's going to take money from other resources then that's another then that we have to have a conversation that's how I'm I'm viewing it cuz I think her whole thing is she's being described as she's brought in to help educate the staff of addressing weight stigma and body positivity and that's her whole F so that's more like
8:27 calling people ugly cuz they're fat or whatever it's a it's a feelings thing right like like for me I'm talking about like dude if you're if like there's got to be a standardized amount of like what is ████ what is good for a human's longevity like if you think about okay if you're if you're a government they're very clear it's like you would probably want to figure out the science behind what is going to help my population live the longest and then the healthiest and what is healthy because even our institutions are so infiltrated by like different companies that remember like when they re Revis the food pyramid they're saying like Froot Loops is healthier than a ████ banana they were like all this ████ came out we're like see we can't even trust the government because like you're supposed
9:18 to be helping us live a healthy lifestyle and you're clearly telling me Froot Loops is and and like Skittles is healthier than a ████ Apple like come on dude that's crazy so I think it's like that idea of what is healthy I think it's so what's crazy is those stats are out there and um and it to me numbers don't lie like I think one of them is if you get over 7,000 steps a day you lower like all cause moral uh mortality by like 90% those stats are out there but for you to like skew that cuz we know statistically and numerically and objectively what health is if for you to skew that so your feelings don't get hurt I think will probably cause more damage more harmful more harmful and you're speaking to this community that trusts you to kind of give the best information possible and
10:08 it's just kind of it's a weird it's a weird tape I just hate when I see these types of things where it's like just say what it really is like if you're just out there to help people who are fat feel not as sad just say that's what you're doing instead of like being like Oh I found myself in this situation where my body's not ideal and don't make it a different narrative that you meant to do this and it's like a bigger story it's not dude like it's cool if you're fat it's cool sometimes you're fat sometimes you're not whatever yeah and then try to draw the parallel between you and someone that has Down syndrome you know what I mean like that's so crazy it's like if that guy didn't want down syndrome and he had the choice he probably would choose not to like if you would let him have the option sounds like to me she probably wasn't the most qualified for that position yeah because it doesn't make
10:58 sense to be like oh like I got myself in this position rather than work to get myself out I'm going to work to let other people also Relish in being here rather than like yeah make any effort to leave this space isn't there already like a standardized like general what is healthy like for heart rate all this stuff based on like weight age height there is and the range is already broad you know what I mean it's not like you have to be this to be healthy it's already like this is healthy yeah cuz you can't expect someone who's like 6 feet to be the same weight as someone who's 4T and it's way less about weight than anything it's like you could be definitely plus-sized and still have healthy like Health markers as long as you exercise as long as you eat the right things like yeah your weight won't change whatever that's fine if you want to be what you want to be but for you to not promote exercise and mental health and stuff like that
11:49 cuz it all comes into play right and I feel like a lot of people that we talk to that are trying to make interventions in their life as soon as they start exercising even a little bit whatever form that looks like everything else just improves in their life their mental Clarity is better like their issues with mental health just significantly get lower right so it's like I don't know it's just a weird stance and especially the comparison to the disable the craziest part like that one was like bro you can't that's not okay the weirder thing that is like infinitely darker to me but I would resonate better with is if somebody who was obese was making a speech saying hey we got shorter life expectancies being this fat let's at least be happier it's more real I would feel that more than someone who's delusional and being like we're totally healthy versus like hey you know how you don't really judge people that have Parkinson's it's
12:41 like can you use that angle on me and they're like what the ████ it almost feels like it almost feels more hopeless like you're telling everybody that like don't worry about it this is your body you're in this vessel like this exactly and just stay this way like you don't have to like you can go up and down and you can be fat again later you know like maybe you'll you'll fluctuate yeah it doesn't matter it sucks to make someone like that feel bad I think that's bad but I don't think you have to like artificially boost your self-esteem either especially when you have a role like this in government right you're working with a whole organization like the San Francisco Department Public Health that's a big deal yeah just call yourself fat and then work from there but maybe in San Francisco they're not really worried about public health they're just like this fentanyl is out of control right now but like you can't can't say like like skinny people will
13:31 eat McDonald's and know it's not healthy yeah you know what I mean a fat person can't be eating McDonald's and say they're healthy that's not fair you ever bring like a fat dog to the vet the the vet straight up goes hey we need to like lower the food you got to go on my walk your dog's going to die in a couple don't listen to the doctor I'm sure there are some people that do absolutely that's the double standard is you could be fat bringing a fat dog to the vet the vet won't call you fat yeah dude that's a sick vet you should be like hey taking too much after the owner yeah I just but there's some vet that say that I think fat people are really just they're just tired of people making fun of them and I think that's the real core truth of it is that they're just tired of being people making it feel bad cuz it is like the main thing is discrimination weight based discrimination the health culture
14:22 makes them feel bad it's like talk about that you don't got to like artificially try to make everybody feel happy and like there's definitely a truth to that argument right like you we all know some people who are really fit and then like they think fat like people who are fat they're like a they're pieces of ████ they're lazy they never amount to anything cuz they're quotequote they cuz they're fat right but that's like the equivalent of like all the Nerds coming together in the in the field in front of the jocks and going we're cool we're cool it's like dude they're going to get jumped you know what I mean like that's the equival of that it's like pretty cool that they Galvanize on the field you know what I mean it's like everyone's just looking at you guys going y'all are fat dude like you're making them like you're giving them ammo like with this ████ like just be be yourself and be like hey this is cool I'm cool with that but and if you look at these comments like I I understand that she's trying to promote more inclusiveness or whatever the case is
15:13 but like you read the reactions from people and they're ████ pissed like these reactions are like against her or for yeah against her cuz and it kind of I think it push because it makes them seem like whatever this movement is they associate with just massive delusion so they'll never take what your saying as like truth or not they just think they're like acting like a persecuted group but what it is is you're a group that's been made fun of forever like I I probably when wherever there was a fat human like caveman right they're probably making fun of the fat caveman cuz it just looks funny and that's across all cultures all across the world it just looks funny it's like doing it's like doing bad algebra where it's like you're an X I'm a y if I do this and carry that we're both Z you know what I mean it's like no you don't have to do any of that what do you guys think about
16:03 that uh I think there was like a new initiative or proposal they try to make where it's um like if you're a heavy set and you need two seats yeah airplane seats that they'll just comp the person that needs it and then the other argument is like well how come when I bring in extra my my luggage is like one pound heavier I have to pay however many dollars for every sing right you have to pay 100 bucks yeah so my luggage can't be one lb heavier that person is like 50 lb heavier and gets a free like $500 seat like what are your guys thoughts what if you have manspread too ginormous mans spread because the because the luggage can be unloaded on the spot but the person can't do jumping jacks can't do jumping jacks in the terminal a really good way it make sense right you can throw your hoodies in the trash can
16:54 real quick right that's the way I that's funny right you could take that same item that's going on the same plane and put it in your backpack your carry-on that doesn't get weighed and you'll be fine but the same weight that's on the plane I don't I don't get or the guy who's running the policy for the airline it's like honestly it's ████ easier if you just give him a seat just give him the ████ seat dude I'm not going to have this conversation to go home just give the we'll figure the rest out yeah yeah we'll figure it out I think when you start seeing those articles about like when when people who are bigger complain about hotels having thin hallways I think that's when we're just in bizarre world yeah yeah yeah that's ridiculous I think if you're outgrowing Earth something's wrong with your weight you're out growing hallways that's tough cuz culturally it's really interesting to me how we operate in the US cuz my mom would always point this out cuz she's like Americans are so
17:44 accommodating cuz they try to think about like how everyone's experience is and she was talking about how everything is like wheelchair accessible or like you know she's like I've never seen so many fat people in my life and she thought that it's the funniest thing when she first moved to America how many fat people were there she was two things how many fat people there are and how many shirtless guys there are tight cuz she's like those two things you just don't see it in Japan in her generation and then so she was like sumo wrestlers out there they'll take the cab they don't take the train cuz fat out there is like hey dude that's not fair you're taking two spaces and then it's like very prag so they know that they're inconveniencing someone else you're eating for two that could have been a meal for someone else so it's like crazy right you sumo wrestlers take the C companies do give
18:34 you extra money or fine you depending on your weight all this stuff and then also it's like well that makes sense if they have a system where you go up an escalator and you stand on one side or walk on the other but then you're blocking the walking side exactly it's like you can't play the community anymore right so it's like it's not fair so it's a different mentality but she said on the flip side though it's like the how many people are actually in wheelchairs in America not that much compared to the population but everything is built so that wheelchair folks can access everything well that's only because people are afraid of being sued well yeah but then in but in Japan though if there's stairs there stairs tough tough luck dude you got to ask somebody to help you or you just don't go out you just got to plan your route and go that station doesn't have stairs so I have to go around here and then you can't ask people to be like hey can you build an elevator for me cuz I'm I'm in
19:25 a wheelchair well you don't ask people to build an elevator you say you don't have an elevator you got going to give me $2 million off of this loss yeah maybe she doesn't know that I'm going sue your ass yeah which is tight and it's crazy because it's almost like we there's almost Perks to Being that unhealthy or big you know it's like you'll be able to get your handicapped card and then park closer and then jump like a little scooter and scooters are always fun I wish I could ride them but I'm not overweight enough apparently um but it's like and then like the healthc care that is techically technically like a lot of it tax funded it's like you know you're going to get certain treatment and that because you have health problems so it's like we just cater to it aren't you going to wear down your carpet way more hey you could eat for free at the heart attack Diner I'm sure the negatives still outweigh the positives for sure ooh outweigh good word I don't know just don't be mean
20:15 like yeah be nice be nice to everybody
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