0:00 I was I was a I was no no I was apolitical AAL apolitical I didn't even know what Democrat meant I don't know Republican meant I just wanted to stay out I'm like that's I remember in college I thought you voted for Obama yeah but I don't know [Music] dumb welcome back to JK we're talking today about how Joe Rogan opened up about his personal shift towards the uh the right really yeah I think he played it the most genius out of every single person I think um like you know how like the the the lines of what's left and right has shifted blurred right blurred and then so like what was considered um moderate
0:50 before is now considered probably more right leaning if you're libertarian you're right leaning so I feel like people that understand that probably for the last three years since Co since Joe Rogan even like even if you question anything I think you're right leaning so since probably 2020 people that understand that have always been okay I think Joe Rogan is Right leaning even though he always says I'm a liberal Democrat whatever in today's standards a berny guy and I believe that he believes he's a Democrat and he believes that he's liberal but based off of the way we measure things now he he's towards the right and I think he him coming out at the most most critical moment he was able to build this whole like tsunami wave of audience where he kind of refrained from really identifying with anything so that no one has a chance to
1:41 really fall out and then right when we needs it he brings that whole tsunami and if you were going to jump ship at the last second you jump ████ but that tsunami was able to help push Trump what swayed you cuz I've known you for a long time I've been on this channel I think for 10 years next year what swayed you personally cuz when I met you I think B was Obama I was a I was no no I was apolitical AAL apolitical I didn't even know what Democrat meant I don't know Republican meant I just wanted to stay out I'm like that ████ is but did you lean left I remember in college I thought you voted for Obama yeah but I don't know ████ you're just dumb you know when you're you know when you're College you're just stupid like you're just stupid and you think I'm going to make a change without doing research oh that's kind of like the people right now yes yeah I voted for Obama yeah you're just dumb and you're just like oh you know what how cool would it be to have the first black president and then you
2:32 that's how that's how you vote not on policy not on what their track record or anything like that it was just like how cool would it be I think a lot of people in college was like dude I want to be a part of History yeah and have a and be a part of the people that brought a black president for the first time ever and that's all you thought about in college it was like we're going to change it cuz you know it's just an ideology pretty much so I started becoming more politically involved during Co cuz Co happens everything gets shut down and you're like oh ████ okay so it wasn't until your late 30s late 30s yeah cuz 2020 I was how was I 36 yeah I was like 36 so it was until I was 36 whole city gets shut down and then the whole nation is like that but very quickly you see certain states start to open up and then I was like oh wait a second okay this is
3:23 something that's kind of different then you have all the aftermath of like Co from George Floyd to the riots and LA to the defunding of the police to how some states open up and then that's when I started going oh wait how come some states are following a certain pattern and then some some states have another Playbook and that's when I started going oh wait there's this whole left and right thing and then cuz I I don't know if you guys remember but I feel like since you guys are really um like knowledgeable on political stuff probably in like the side JK party conversation you probably hear me ask is left Republican or Democrat like that's how stupid I was I didn't even know those things you were a nob yeah yeah and people will use things interchangeably right like oh that's what the that's what people on the blue do and you're like oh this is blue Republican you know cuz like that's how and I started to fin start to understand those things and then I started under
4:13 and then um yeah then seeing how places open up how people run things then starting to understand what less government means what more government means less regulation more regulation how that affects not just policy but economics and then seeing the homeless industrial complex cuz the place where I was living like all the homes were super nice but then seeing homeless people just pile through what was supposed to be our actual forever home like no jokes we were thought we were going to stay there forever just us going dude this is ████ not safe at all and then seeing the same city go yes it's not safe and we're going to fire 10,000 cops and you're just like what the but you guys are dumb for not staying there cuz you said it was your forever home initially true she it's on you it's on you and then you start seeing like other places like we would like tour and do U like I
5:05 did a bunch of Fitness events and you would see problems happen and like let's say Houston cleans up overnight and know like oh they had a homeless problem but it's gone like that and then so that really kind of like made me shift my mind to going like the way that I Envision my life and how I want to plan for my family it feels like the policies that are put in place by the people on the right help that become more conducive which one so one I don't like the open border like for both me and geoide family they're but is Mexican so surely she doesn't think that well their mom mom went came in Legally so even the mom's like if I know how to come in through the correct process how come everyone else can't come in through the correct process so I um I do believe like if your home if the nation is your home you want to keep your door shut and let in the people
5:56 that you you vetted so that's like one big one um I do believe in I uh actually funding the police better so they can get the training that they need to avoid another George Floyd type situation regardless of people feel if he was like crazy on drugs or whatever um he shouldn't have passed away in such a hor horrible incident um but taking money away when they're already underfunded is super no bueno and all the favorite cities that people live in have a highly funded Police Department you know like San Marino like they none of those places lack resources so there's that um also I I wasn't a big fan of um Tao's cousins they they are in La USD and then they were saying they're going to start passing these laws where guy and girl bath bathrooms are combined just going to be one gender bathroom so you're
6:46 going to have a first grader girl with a sixth grader boy I'm like that's ████ crazy I'm like certain things I kind of like the safety of things and if you just have one gender things I'm like that's ████ insane um there's that and then there's the um even like building like a the like the a nation up where it almost felt like like if you if you want to join the military you have to have a powerful Nation regardless of how you feel about the military industrial complex the military needs to defend the country so you need to empower them and then so for them to go if you're not vaccinated get the ████ out and there's people that were like dude I'm I was trying to be a lifer I'm like 2 years away from getting my fulltime retiring and they're forced to step out and now they're like I've been in infantry for the past 18 years I don't know and I'm like 43 what am I
7:38 supposed to do how am I supposed to take care of my family like you have like that crazy uh they're suing now I'm winning which is really really good so just seeing like all of that I'm like dude this is this is not the C this is not the way that I want it to go and all the more right leaning States and policies and leaders I'm like this is this is pretty cool so for Joe Rogan he says that his personal shift happened when specifically towards endorsing Trump when Obama said lies about the Charlottesville thing where he's like there's a clip of him showing um Obama making a speech saying that Trump said that there's you know fine people and he goes how can he call how can he call uh White supremacists fine people and then Joe was like wait a minute and then they pulled up the clip of the full speech which we played here and then Trump basically said I'm not talking about the
8:29 white supremacist I so he specifically said that first and he goes I'm talking about the people that were protesting the statue from not being taken down Y and then so Joe Rogan was like that is so disingenuous to like paint this picture and this is the reason why we're in such a division is like politicians are out there misquoting purposely so that this is the news that people get and I was like for the longest time I was like why do is do people think Trump is racist because he's white or is is there like a real reason why and I'm like I get it like you know he did he did say that part about like Mexicans are bringing in racist or whatever but then I watched the whole video and it was because the journalist was asking him about MS13 gang and he and then he was responding that the gangs are being are coming over the border and all this stuff and then
9:19 so they took that clip they chop it up I was like oh my God right so like no wonder and I don't blame the people that think he's racist because if you only saw that clip but then I also think like people that are perpetuating that stuff I wouldn't expect President Obama to be doing it I do expect like a sleazy little news channel to do it cuz they're trying to get clicks that's job so I think that's also The Joe Rogan kind of like wait a minute y like a former president's doing this like I expect that behavior from like you know news channels that want clicks but not a former president and he was talking about how he when he got cancelled for talking about he took the ior mechon and how CNN went bet on him and he was like d yeah he's like that was such a blip in a lot of people's like news stories but for me like I started to see where the lying from that side of the media came
10:10 from so he was like well if they're doing that to me who knows what the ████ they're doing to like Trump or all these other political people hey what's up guys just in case you've noticed some of these lovely Jade pieces on some of our men here uh just know that you can get some for yourself over at the jj. uh visit our friends here at the site and check out some of the pieces they've got the selection is massive you can find all kinds of different designs and they even do some custom work so if you want to check them out uh we'll be very grateful we love these guys over at J Jewelers and uh we're happy for you guys to be able to get the same stuff I watched a really good um kind of like a video essay that this guy made about Joe Rogan's basically like his journey and he would he would he had his own theory of like bit by bit like how does this
11:01 super liberal Bernie supporter cuz he's not even like moderate liberal he's kind of a hippie yeah he's like a super liberal Bernie like bro yeah how did he end up like endorsing Trump and so he goes like well for one I think Joe Rogan has always been anti-establishment and I think for him it's always been someone that's questioning you know the status quo what's going on and if you think about his show right he brings everybody that's it like let's have a conversation he's had so many people from the left and the right yeah and I think what the current Administration where they messed up is nobody wanted to come to the show JD Vance came Trump came and everyone came on Joe's terms and said hey let's have that talk for 2
11:52 three hours and people might make the argument where it's like well he they're going to um you know uh enemy territory or whatever and then Trump feels comfortable because you know that is a safe place for him but I would argue that it's actually not because Andrew Yang was on Joe Rogan you know Bernie Bernie Sanders and did Joe Rogan ever treat any of them with disrespect no like if they win on Fox they get it they get it pretty hard but and when if Trump goes on to CNN they go hard fedman was fedman Joe was Joe could have been so s█████ to fedman if he wanted to just asking questions exactly cuz fedman has a communication issue because he went through a stroke or whatever right and fedman was like using like a teleprompter that he's like uses like with AI that helps him like translate what people are saying and Joe was just
12:42 nice to him the whole time didn't matter what the hell was going on he could have clown on him imagine he's just like a hardliner like partisan guy he's like oh what are you saying what are you saying like wreck him I do have to really point out though it's not it's it's like what what people are missing out here is like it's not so much that people are becoming right-wing extremists but the Democratic party is making people that are Democrats feel alienated there used to be a dialogue right so like when you had the Phil Donahue days right where Phil Donahue used to talk to be I was I'm a political nerd sorry I grew up with all the ████ but like in the I grew up on the right for sure like and like but the corporatist right so like I am so mad at the right because of the corporatist ████ but like Phil dongh used to have everybody on and they used to have like a discourse it's like Phil Donahue versus like George will or
13:32 whatever and they would just talk about like right versus left stuff and like have a meaning of the minds and like it wasn't like personal and all this ████ now it's like if you even listen to George will or your Phil donu like ████ you and that that is the problem that people have well also I think people so we're Millennials right gen Z were a little too young to know what Millennials saw so we saw Bush Carrie we saw saw Bush Gore we saw like we saw all the Iraq Wars right so so I wish Gore won I wish car W they're called Neo liberals and Neo cons and so like when we grew up we didn't like neoc cons I mean well you you were you like Bush you didn't know what it was correct so that's what people don't know is that I think there's also the perception of
14:23 what a Maga American is yeah so like Maga has created all I mean the space where like all it's like a weird like former Democrat you have conservatives you have people that are Republican that just has to fall in before yeah but it's it's a weird party because it's a home for a lot of Democrats that don't want to really be there but then they're kind of like we have disaffected Bernie Bros yeah yeah there's Bernie people there's actual former socialists there's like all these people that are like yeah and it's weird because it's like how is this the anti-establishment group when it's the billionaire group and it's a it's a confusing you can't like typ cast I'm a fan of Andrew Yang yeah and and I I hope he comes on the show I really do but one of my my dis most disappointing things about Andrew Yang personally is that like Andrew Yang supported KL Harris
15:14 until ████ yesterday and then now he's coming out saying like oh well this was messed up they shouldn't have done all this stuff and it's like where were you bro like where you been like like you you're already blacklisted so why support her right you're not even you're a forward party you're Democrat you were supporting the party that blacklisted you and then I'm like I'm just so confused as to why you're like supporting the the party infrastructure that has already drowned out your voice and um I don't get that I think like what people so when this all kind of broke loose right right after the election the the the lip teers came out and said like misogyny is the reason right minorities not supporting minorities is the Reon like they they just did this whole thing where they're not even saying like heyy why did so many Democrats leave they're just
16:04 writing it off and dismissing it as like you guys are just racist right but think about even within the leadership right you had Tulsi gabard who's a lifelong Democrat she left you have Andrew Yang who was another who decided to to build his own party right so there's so many people on the left who feel alienated and then instead of listening to why that is it's automatically yeah you're a racist you guys are white supremacist and I'm like why can't we have a actual conversation of like we want to we want a different party that represents us we just found a home in an area where it's like I guess they're talking about the things we want to hear and Bernie was right about the working class being still is he is so right he was the one that actually was
16:54 making sense and then the media came out and said oh it's cuz of misogyny and whatever stupid but that's part of the reason why I think a lot of people were like I'm going to vote for Trump they're so sick of that narrative coming from that side that they're just like dude ████ it when he came out and said it's because the Democratic party abandon abandoned the working class it gave space for the Trump group to be like come to us and he said and it's about time the working class abandon them right cuz cuz what do you expect what do you expect do you guys think this type of shift is always inevitable every like so often hope cuz that ████ happens that's happened I think we all hope that advertising dollars doesn't drown out like the yearning for like representation because sometimes it's both but when I saw California be like usually it's like pretty much blue but this time was like a little bit more
17:45 mixed a lot more it's like 6040 yeah so it does kind of make you go like I think people are starting to really kind of wake up and say dude I'm sick of this ████ I'm sick of just having the same voice over and over again so maybe it's a changing of the tides why do you think the left went so hard on like pushing people away and the narrative was like meant to like just push everyone that felt alienated or in the center I think they all the way to the right they weren't comfortable with the most boiled down issue of like the economy oh but isn't Wall Street doing well it's not about Wall Street it's about inflation right so like kitchen table economics like eggs butter ████ bread all the basics right more expensive now by a 3X just about so like that's it to me it's just about that and they were uncomfortable addressing that and how they're going to fix it they're kind of downplaying a little bit too I actually
18:36 think there's no real leadership in the left there's you're right Jo we're talking about this a lunch so um so so think about it right on the right you have philosophical thought leaders you also have whether you like them or don't you you also have leadership type personalities with an initiative so you have vivid coming out and he goes we need to like dismantle um you know big government whatever wokeism you have Elon coming out you have all these people that have hey this is what I champion this is what I want to do right if you think about the left you don't really have anybody that's spearing like spearheading a thought and saying This Is My Philosophy this is what I stand for this is what I'm trying to do what you have is Mob rule so you
19:27 have a bunch of the uh lowest common denominator mob group coming together and then the leadership isn't telling them no shut the ████ up that's not what we're trying to do on the right or I don't even want to say the right it's magga because on the right you have old school uh Republicans like the Nicki Haley's the dick chenies and all that they're actually more like the commas the corporatists right they don't they just Pander they just say they don't have any new thoughts right and then so when you see the two parties I like think about even when online right like how many left influencers do you guys see that are actually political influencers with opinions and okay so David Pacman Destiny right and then The Young Turks but even within them but Young Turks is anti-c corporatist I feel they're but they're the left so and then
20:17 they have opinions they have whatever right but then so this is the difference is like okay so you have all these uh right-wing Style influencers with their own opinions their own philosophies their own kind of differences cuz you have the hardcore Christian ones you have the more like constitutional ones you have the more libertarian ones and they all have their own kind of thing that they're trying to develop what do you do have on the left like I can't really name any and I'm you don't know what they stand for and on top of that what about all the politicians on the left like if they're asked to go on podcast how many people even Joe Rogan has said yeah I try to get them on but they don't come on and then on the right they all like yeah I'll come I'll come right will to have the conversation yeah and then from Governors to whatever like they all ████ go and try to go on
21:09 podcast and then they're willing to talk' be cool if Nome or aocc or Pelosi all actually went out there and explain what their thoughts were yeah yeah that'd be actually cool that would be cool what do you want to hear from them B so the way that I so I follow a bunch of left and right stuff on my own page just cuz like I want to like try to get a accurate temp temperature of what's going on and what I always really see is it almost feels like um the the current like Maga right they put out a policy and it feels like the left are just counter punchers so they don't really have a fight they don't really have an offense it'll be like what's that new guy that's going to be the borders are Tom Tom homman yeah like Tom like Tom Holan right he comes out I want to do Mass deportation and then you have people like like why are you going to
21:59 separate families it's not like this is my issue this is this is my issue it's more like this is my issue and they just try to poke hes at what you have solu so if the people on the right just zip their mouths everyone on the left right now would have zero content cuz they only content is based off of you go first you think that's because the shift right now is like the Republicans sound like the more sensible like questioning people that are anti-establishment or whatever so that's like their only strategy because right now like no matter what they say like people are going to lean towards the right anyway so they have to find a way to like I don't know but I would love to hear their thoughts without having to have like unobstructed yeah unobstructed versus them only having counter arguments was there they their own plan you think was there ever a time where the Republicans were doing that to the Democrats all the time in the ████ '
22:49 90s and 2000 bro so you know so what I remember is Republicans was the party of censorship they were the party of being rigid they were versus Eminem exactly and then so now now Eminem is for Liz Cheney do you think that's kind of like how it's going to always be even in the future like what we're saying about the right now is going to flip to the other side because this is this is why I'm nonpartisan is because there's no benevolent ideology never it's impossible corre but it's dependent on the people that are kind of developing the culture and what I see right now is there's a new culture and a movement being made on the right and we do see it on the left too but the difference is I see mob rule on the left I don't really
23:39 see any real leadership and on the right trickle up right the woke guys on the bottom are influencing the top that's why when you see AOC take her pronouns out of her bio today that sent the Ripple because she had the pronounce in her bio bio because of those people exactly yeah yeah yeah yeah and then what I would like to see is some thought leaders on the left that are developing ideas and and and it's like and then also like okay think about recently with Jubilee they're doing some great content with the with the 30 Democrats 30 Republicans or like there's like one person in the middle right why is it that it's always only Destiny it's like there's nobody else really besides Destiny we're on the right you have Charlie Kirk you have Ben Shapiro you have a ton of people that would come in um and do it right but I'm
24:29 like what is it what's going on right now where there's no one actually championing uh their own idea but they're parting everything like everything's a parrot of like this is a ideology that's going on in the left I don't know who it was developed by but they're but they're all just echoing that and it's no one's original idea it's almost like the left and the right are just vessels and then the real people behind it is like those are the people that keep going back and forth or the thoughts or the the ideologies or whatever keep shifting back and forth right that's that's how I feel about it it feels like that for all of us it's a Big Blob like we're just like those people that are just trying to figure out which side right now is like the on that make more sense right now cuz I feel like people I think people in their thoughts generally stay the same and it's where the left and right lines that are shifting you know but I think generally people they don't have like
25:20 drastic shifts in their own ideology it's like they're just this is who they who they are and then it's the left and right that goes like this and I do think that there's a necessary like there's there's something necessary about the two so like if you think about what a conservative is right they just want things that are working and traditional to kind of like hey this is working guys let's not disrupt that what is a progressive it's someone who's supposed to have new ideas to kind of challenge you right and whatever sticks will become conservative I think that's just the cultural EB and flow of like back in the day interracial marriage was was like that's weird communist ████ right and then now it's like that's normal and that's the same with gay marriage at one point like in our lifetime it was so weird Ro the bushes
26:10 they were pushing against it it's crazy that the conservatives are fighting for freedom of speech insane no because like I said in the 90s it was or 2000s it was Dick Cheney versus mem yeah yeah yeah and like Liz Cheney right like his wife and that's why it's weird when people pige I'm like we've been called from liar to rightwing extremist and it's like why can't you just be nonpartisan and you like argue over points and some things we might be right some things we might be left yeah but just don't hit us with like some ████ like Tulsi gabber is a Russian agent I'm like all right dude like what you got what do you got on that right like give me something right give me some evidence on that not just like oh I heard it from like a John Harwood on from ████ CNN it's cuz Hillary Clinton did it well now it's AOC
27:01 it's not even people are going to forget Hillary ever said it now AOC re brought it back up yeah I know how do you feel about all this I mean it's it's I guess for me my my concern is a little bit different I mean I definitely feel like I identify more as as a republican yeah and and a conservative yeah but I don't know have you always felt that way no no no I voted for ████ Obama I voted for uh yeah I was de my whole family everybody's d uh but then I think just the way I've been treated did like I I just it's more my thing I think it's more sociological I think it's more like Democrat people that are hardcore with those points have just been meaner to me I just don't want to be like them that's all true and that's that's pushed me to listen to more of the conservative side otherwise I didn't care about either but the fact that like the fact that I can't get along with people that are so
27:52 hardore left is really sad you know what's crazy this is what it feels like it feels like they go both sides go B what do you really want I go I want less war I want safer neighborhoods uh it' be cool if things were a little bit cheaper and I do think the government might spend too much right and then I I I I go like that to my two friends and then the right's like come give me a hug dude yeah and then the left is like ████ you what the ████ all right then you know then you're like fine this guy's going to hug me I feel like that's the same experience a lot of us have especially people that aren't even into politics like once they get a catch wind of like what the left is saying to them they're just like this is annoying I'm just going to vote for Trump I'm really not into politics that much I'm I'm into being pretty logical and I think that
28:42 led me to being on a political side without even realizing it like I was just like wait a minute I just don't want crime I'm not a criminal I don't have anything to gain by less people being in jail like I want more people in jail if they deserve to be in jail I don't give a ████ you know like it's not I just don't live that life where I I benefit from that so so you know I understand like that people might have different reasons or causes as why they want reform prison reform okay that's fine but in my eyes in front of me in the the places I've lived in Hollywood and downtown and having an office in a studio in the Fashion District I've seen some s█████ ████ and I go like hey who wants to fix this s█████ ████ that I've seen with my own eyes not this the dreamy ████ of people I've never met in my life but just my day-to-day problems who wants to fix that and even addressing that they problem s has gotten me crucified by the left and I didn't like that you're called racist I
29:33 didn't like that Weir I didn't like that and I didn't like that there was no dialogue to even elaborate on why
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