0:00 He's a magician. >> It's so funny in the moment, >> but then afterwards >> it's ████ up. >> You also think about the p power dynamic. Okay, this guy's 17, right? He just left his home to go serve the country and now he has rocks in his mouth. Welcome back to another episode of Careful Boys. Today, um I >> care. >> I saw this cool thing cuz I I like Caleb Hammer. Do you ever watch his stuff? >> Oh, I love him chewing out these dumb asses. >> Yeah, it's pretty cool. But then he had something um pretty interesting that he was breaking down about some guy's uh VA benefits or whatever. And I think you might have seen it, too. And I wanted to like see if you could talk about it for a bit. So, this is his uh the video. >> VA benefits. That's like $9,000.
0:51 >> Oh, that's every month. >> Does this disability? >> There is not one veteran that has been on the show that does not have disability. By the way, does every veteran in the world that you know have disabilities? >> As far as I know, except for my grandfather for some reason, but >> Okay. Can I ask what happened? >> Just basic stuff. >> Oh, yeah. I don't need details. I just become more and more curious because this is every single veteran on the show is on some form of disability. Yeah. >> Which totally down for if something happened. >> They have to go through a whole system. It takes like 6 8 months most [music] of the time. >> They do their research, see what did happen in the military, and then >> sure they give it to you to dump. 9,000. Is that pretty abnormal? >> I don't even know how you because I'm just going through the system right now and learning about it. I don't know how you get 9,000 cuz I think if you're 100% so the highest rating is 100% total
1:42 impermanent. meaning um cuz even if you're under 100, like let's say you're at 60 or 80, if for some reason they rerate you and they see you're getting better, they'll reduce your benefits >> as you recover. >> Yeah. Like let's say you had a crazy leg injury, it's getting better, like, okay, this guy doesn't need to go see physical therapist anymore, do whatever anymore. >> Yeah. >> They can reduce your rating if you go back and get checked. Once you're at 100% TNP, like total impermanent, that means uh they don't see your condition ever getting better. I think the max at that is like maybe like high [snorts] 30,000s, low 4,000. >> Yeah, that's what everybody was saying in the comments. >> That's the highest I've ever >> I got a buddy who's uh full 100% and he gets like 4,000. >> That's Yeah. >> What kind of stuff consists of 100%? like were you an amputee cuz a bullet like you stepped on a mine and it blew
2:32 up your leg or like like some hardcore ████ or >> it's a very complicated system because you how do you gauge someone who has like one full leg blown off versus a scratch on an eye and a scratch on a finger and a scratch on a ear and a scratch on a nose, you know, like >> Oh, it added up. >> Yeah. It's like so you could be So they have to try to find their most fair weighted system versus I just blew my toe off or whatever. But yeah, 100% TMP. That's the highest. And to my knowledge, that's like four grand. I don't know how he got >> Yeah, they were saying in the comments, they're saying that that guy must be receiving back pay for something at the same time. What does that mean? >> So back pay, what happened is um what he's talking about 6 to 8 months. That's if you're ████ lucky. Most people I know take years to get it done. So especially um depending on the era that
3:24 you join in the military. So, like these days there's so much online internet information where they're like, "Okay, when you join the military, anytime you get hurt or whatever, go to sick call, go to medical, and you want to document all these things cuz later on when you come out and you're broken, you have like good evidence and a and a good case to build why you need to get disability compensation." Um, in my era or even before that, you think people Vietnam or Korean War, everyone's ████ hardcore. Like you ████ you break your arm, they just duct tape that ████ back cuz they don't want to be called a ████ at ████ medical, you know? So those guys when they uh like let's say they had an incident in like let's say 1970 and then it took them 20 years for them to go, you know what, that's true. My quality
4:14 of life has been ruined. I haven't been able to play with my kids cuz I've been in a wheelchair this whole time. They can go back and go, "Okay, yeah, in 1970 there's this incident where ████ tank ran my legs over or some ████ I've been in a wheelchair since." Then [snorts] when you file for back pay, they'll pay 1970 all the way to present day. But to my knowledge, cuz I don't know anyone I mean, that guy doesn't look that old. Most back pay is a one lump sum. >> Oh. So, I don't I don't I've never seen back pay where it's like here's a monthly payment, but I assume if it's a giant amount, then it will it won't be one lump sum, but I I've never seen anyone um get 9,000. the uh the comments were super interesting because there there's like a lot of like veterans um
5:05 kind of [clears throat] weighing in on it and then a lot of people also talking about how they feel like that's scamming the system that there's so many disabled veterans that appear to be in pretty decent health. What do you think about that claim? So, the system to go through is very rigorous. Um, I've I've had a couple of appointments already for like legit stuff because you could claim like scars or like I've had like I have sciatica um on both sides and they have bugged me like throughout my just regular life after the military because of all the crazy like ruck marches and stuff. So if I squat wrong, sciatica flares up just like that. And I can attribute it um back to a single incident of what happened. But when you go through it, the the examiners aren't even part of
5:57 the VA. They're like a third party medical group. So imagine like you apply through the VA, they go, "Okay, go to Kaiser Permanente or whatever. They're going to do your evaluation." And then so they're not um they don't have stake in either side. They don't have stake in the veteran side and then they don't have stake in um the civilian private or money, whatever, right? >> And then so you have to go through that whole process. They evaluate you. There's times where I got rejected for things um that are clearly uh what is it called? I have cuz they they they you have to have a diagnosis and this thing called a nexus which connects it to your service and then your actual condition. And there's times I have to apply like three or four times for like the same ████ So it's pretty rigorous. So I don't think there and to my knowledge even all the people that I know that are um have the 100%. I don't
6:47 know any cuz I'm Chinese. cuz I'm always looking for it. I don't know any backdoor routes into this [snorts] system. >> Yeah. >> And I'm looking. [laughter] >> I think it also is so weird because I think I think when normal people see uh something like this, like if like if you don't watch a lot of military content or know a lot about it, you just see a guy that seems like he's totally fine and then when he says he has 100% um like uh benefits, you're just like that guy has 100%. Well, now they also considered me mental health and that up be something too because he could seen a bunch of kids blow up >> and then now for life he just needs therapy because he's seen some crazy ████ >> that counts for 100%. Like if you just >> it it's all added up. So there's a bunch of different categories and you add it up and then if you have one crazy severe
7:37 one like obviously if you're ████ double amputee doesn't even matter if you have mental health or whatever but it's the full scope of your conditions. So there is a there is a mental health thing that gets credited to the >> Yeah. So like like uh like PTSD >> um or MST I think that's called something like military sexual trauma. So like let's say you're a lady and you got cornered by a drill instructor and then she >> graded you or whatever you know >> Jesus. >> Um then that's considered a disability cuz it now you're traumatized. Now you look at authority figures a certain way. You probably uh resent the military. You're anti-military. Like, you know, it could really ████ you. >> Damn. >> But I kind of think like they should be taken care of, right?
8:28 >> Yeah. I think so, too. >> They do so much >> by the taxpayers. >> I'm I'm for that. >> But then it does get kind of like >> not by the person who graed them. >> Why Why does everyone have it? And I'm like, is that that common where people are getting ████ up, injured, like mentally like disturbed and like it's like it is a tough thing to do? Like the military is I mean when you're deployed you got to go you got to see war it's ████ crazy right you're going to get injured it's like physically crazy so I guess the frequency of it is like damn that's a lot of people that are just ████ for life they're doing a really good job now that they didn't do when I first joined like when Suben tells me his recruiting stories I think a lot of the disability stuff and like obviously if you're hurt let's let's take care of them right but then I I don't think that's the issue the issue is how do we have people less hurt, right? So that we don't even have to get to that. So how
9:18 do we if we can have less people hurt then we don't have to spend as much uh on disability and how do we get them less hurt? I think it's the screening process. So before they would like in my era they just take everybody everyone that's down a sign on the dotted line send them to boot camp and then some people never played a sport before, never even stretched before and some people just get ████ Now during the recruiting process like Suben, he goes on runs with his recruiting office. They do pull-ups together. They kind of prep them what boot camp should be, what shoes you should wear. So that whole pre-screening process, it allows for a lower attrition rate so people don't fall out as much. And then I think if you have better abled bodies, then when you go in, you're going to have less hurt people on the other end, >> less pulled hamstring. And uh I think
10:08 boot camp is now following the rules more. >> Oh. >> So like my era like I till this day I have never seen any boot camp or any movie that covers boot camp that's realistic. I've never seen anyone because it's illegal. The ████ where people get socked in the ████ face or you're getting drowned in the ████ pool. Like all that stuff like it's illegal to show. So like the those hazing parts of it >> I see. They can't put that in there. Okay. >> And a lot of those are the ones that like ████ like so for example uh one of the craziest incidents that happened to me and I when I like tell this story with like all of my military friends like what the ████ Like you have a a for sure case of uh PTSD was we were in a field exercise like learning like we're in the mountains learning some ████ We had a new substitute drill
10:59 instructor come in and out of nowhere this guy ████ grabbed me from behind. And I wasn't even Imagine you're like in a relaxed position just like watching instruction, right? All right, we're going to go this. We're going to shoot a rifle, do whatever. He grabs me from behind, picks me up, slams me on the ground, and then so I'm like boom, head and back, hits the ground, knocks the wind out of me. I don't even know what the ████ going on. And he go and I think he accused me of like making fun of mocking another drill instructor. And I was like, "This recruit uh is innocent, sir. This recruit never mocked him." He goes, "You want to ████ lie to me?" And he ████ socks me, right? Socks me up a couple times. You cannot lay hands on people. >> In boot camp, what they used to say is, uh, we'll never hit you. Um, but don't run into me. [laughter] >> So, they'll when they when they run through recruits, their hands just out. And then, so that's their way of like
11:49 not not uh getting in trouble for socking or hitting you, but they'll run 100% straight into your face like this. He goes, "I already ████ told you. Don't ████ run into my hand." This guy straight socked me, though. This fool straight socked. He pulled me off um the field into the squad bay and he started making me like thrashing which is like doing crazy calisthenics for like jumping jacks and all that stuff. And then this was like the day before our Crucible. So Crucible in the Marine Corps boot camp there's this 3-day culminating event where you cover 50 miles um in 48 hours or something through obstacle courses and all that. And then that's how you earn the title marine and you only have a meal per day and you sleep like 2 hours per night. It's like it's really really tough. And the day before he whispers in my ear, he goes, "I'm gonna make your ████ knees pop so you fail the crucible." I'm like, "What the f███?" for something I didn't
12:39 even do. >> Whoa. >> Just like ████ like that that uh that would never fly, I think, in this today's but my stories like that was like like one of my favorite stories was um we were in the field too and then another this drone instructor tells the other drone instructor to come and he goes he goes my my recruit knows magic. [laughter] And then and then he he's like caught off guard and he was like what sir? What is it? And he goes he can make those rocks disappear. And then he goes like he can let me see it. And then he goes he grabs like rocks and he goes make it disappear. And he's like doesn't know what to do. So he just throws in his mouth. He goes see what did I tell you? Crazy, right? And [laughter] he goes now chew. And he's like and you just hear his ████ teeth and rocks just like going like this. And he goes now say he goes and you see the drone struggles just ████ laughing like and like ████ like
13:29 that. I don't know if that would fly, but that was everyday commonplace ████ So, I don't know if that ████ would fly in this day and age. And I can only imagine like Vietnam War era. >> Oh my god. Yeah. >> Like those guys are ████ probably They probably held knives to ████ recruits. Like, do you want to be a ████ Marine, huh? You want to be a ████ Marine? >> Like is hilarious. >> Yeah, it's funny. It's [laughter] so funny. >> It's It's >> He's a magician. It's so funny in the moment, >> but then afterwards >> it's ████ up. >> You also think about the p power dynamic. Okay, this guy's 17, right? He just left his home to go serve the country and now he has rocks in his mouth. He's serving the country with ████ rocks in his mouth. >> Yeah. And this guy's ████ like some ████ like 28-year-old seasoned infantryman. And you're like so scared
14:20 of him. He can literally make you do whatever the ████ he wants cuz in your >> So yeah, it's like a lot to it. It doesn't feel like strictly training. >> Yeah. >> And so yeah, like I think uh there's a lot to it, but I I do think the military itself is getting much better in terms of like the preventative part of it so that you don't have as many like hurt people. >> You really didn't you weren't doing anything at all and they just slammed you? >> If I were to be devil's advocate because I always try to think about the other side first. I think a lot of Asians look alike and I think another Asian did it. >> And so from across the field, he was just like, "That ████ did it. >> Shut up." >> And then he just slam me. And in the drill instructor's mind, all pain is good, even if it's wrong, because they're all teaching moments. >> So I think in his mind, he's like, even
15:11 if I grab the wrong kid, this is just going to make them stronger. >> Someone else learned the lesson. >> There's some other Asian marine going, holy ████ that guy's getting ████ up. I was the one that ████ around, >> dude. >> Damn. >> It's hella funny if if you were to tell the VA about that story, they pull up some kind of video and in the video it is you going [laughter] >> just forgot. >> He was a troublemaker then, too. >> You know what's crazy? Like depending on how you tell the story, cuz I'm learning. I'm going through the process. >> If you tell the story and you feel all right like me, >> Mhm. Even though at night I could be going home and having panic attacks about it or whatever, they go, "Oh, dude, you're totally fine." Nope, no PTSD or whatever. Like someone could see kids heads exploding and they ask, "How are you doing today?" "Oh, pretty good." "Oh, we saw kids heads explode." "No PTSD." So [snorts] it's it's crazy. It's like a It's a So everyone that I've ever
16:02 met that has gone through the process and got raided >> Yeah. >> It's It's legit cuz it's it's tough to go through. It also feels strange where like let's say that you are a veteran and you you qualified for like full disability. It feels kind of weird that other people are like >> you don't look disabled >> or like why don't you like prove why you need it. >> Yeah. You have no idea. >> They already went through that rigorous process you talked about to get there and now they have to prove it to some random. That feels like ████ to me. Like it's it don't feel like it's your business to be like you seem fine. >> You don't deserve it. >> Yeah. The biggest parallel I see is when you see UFC fighters show up to the fight and then you find out that actually he had a broken rib in training, broken toe in training or had COVID for two weeks during training, you know, and it's like, yeah, cuz when most
16:52 people they don't walk around with their ████ expressed, >> you know, they don't walk around with their conditions out. Everyone's trying to like put up like, "Oh, I'm good. I'm good." Does that mean does does VA disability work the same as regular disability where if you get caught ████ you know entering a break dance battle like you'll you lose benefits? >> Um oh like if they see you in real life doing some ████ >> let's say that you oh my leg I can't use it very well and then you're ████ doing some crazy ████ >> I think so. >> I I think so. Yeah. If it's >> cut it. >> Yeah. Yeah. If they're if you said like >> Yeah. If you're like ████ your feet are disabled and they see you in tap dancing or some ████ >> [laughter] >> What a discovery. >> I think they're like, "Yo, there's no way you could be cracked dancing with feet like that." >> But what if it's like clearly a different style because of your injury? >> Yeah. What if you're not very good? [laughter] >> Maybe. I just do it for the love of the
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