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Off The Record: Anyone Know Whats Actually in the Guy Code?

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0:00 thank you [Music] welcome back to another amazing episode of careful boys everybody today we have this Colleen Lionheart oh wow we also got Anthony we got JoJo welcome back guys welcome back um I thought it'd be interesting because I know everybody's grown up with a different version of this but what exactly is in the guy code oh well I feel like there's like a test um don't sleep with your friends girl and letting them know current girl previous girl just yeah okay don't sleep with your friends girl Izzy in there and Mom you guys just do stuff that's fine though yeah over the

0:51 pan uh here's here's probably right hopping's okay one of the quickest number one guy codes is like let's say one of your homeboys tells you that they're like ████ around uh-huh and like even if that chick is like your homie yeah you you're supposed to not say ████ oh right no I know facts where if you got into a fight and someone jumped in you have to jump in even if you're outnumbered that's that is true that's another thing I remember just have to jump in yeah you got to do it there was um so have you ever had Guy Code conflict with other guy code like you two groups come together and then you're like hey that's weird Geico yeah I think yeah that happens like a maritime Guy Code huh yeah like like you're at the actual Waters yeah Arcadia that's a that's a richer

1:42 neighborhood right and I I remember hanging out with these group of people they're like they're they run deep they're like 40 friends a ton of friends right yeah they're they could go into uh kinjas at that number basically they're like the kinjas a lot of people but not not as cool as you guys but so so when you go there first compliment yeah let's give hugs now so the weird thing to me was that not only were they all classmates so they date each other but they dated each other after so they're just a little ████ commune passing around yeah like a private school they're just swapping people around yeah to me that's weird guy called yeah I like part of you but at least in the guy code it's not about not doing it it's

2:33 it's about asking if it's cool it's the code of conduct code of conduct yeah not doing it but it isn't always about getting a yes or no it's about being able to correctly read the yes or no because some guys within the guy code will say it's cool because they're following Geico to being a good dude but they really don't want you to do it there's a vein so you also have to read between that line yeah it's weird right what if we're homies right and I'm dating I'm dating this chick for a long time and then we break up and then you to work with this chick let me look at that how do you deal with that answer the question right is there answer the ████ question wait so say it again oh you're saying nothing's wrong okay

3:29 okay so now you're you're working with this chick right yeah and then Joe your fellow employee starts dating this chick oh within the work yeah now you guys are all working together but I'm your homie um you're gonna ████ block that ████ I mean dating within the workplace that's a problem by itself outside of for us isn't that breaking labor coaches some places it's okay yeah but we're not talking about Labor code today come on man we're talking about Guy Code you know what I mean when I was in The Improv Community this happened all the ████ time oh like you're on a team with the chick and then like you guys break up and then the a homie from the team dates her and then all the other homies go hang out and stuff and I'm like yo this is ████ that's because they're all impov kids

4:20 you think they're desperate to get that one girl see I don't I don't know if that's just as simple as Guy Code I think that that's just like bad friends it has like a variable whereas like I feel like the guy code variable in there is more like let's say the uh the new chicken your old homie wanted to hook up the guy code would be that guy going to you and being like hey man I'm catching feelings for this girl and I just want to like let you know blah blah I want to you know talk to you about it yeah that's the guy code but if they're like ████ doing it and then they're just hanging out ditch you that's just bad friends well what what's your protocol within the guy code when this happens because here's the thing we used to call it Hector selector when you have a friend that constantly makes claims in saying hey I like this girl now so can you guys like chill even though she doesn't like him he's just like claiming guys the worst exactly that guy's the ████ he calls dibs as soon as you get there and you're like this is ████ up

5:11 dude she you have no shots yeah but then like without without getting uh reciprocated feeling she's already like hey uh I call David John Colleen because you know I like her so she's like ignoring you the whole night yeah that's cool you're so cool that's almost like a abusive guy called or a misuse of guy is that homie a good friend everybody hypothetically yeah everybody gets to ████ up at least once for sure like you're right that's nice and then twice is like there's a pattern so even twice I can't get mad at the third time I'm like if that person comes in a third time say that like no no no no you ████ up already um because like if you just straight up sleeps with like an ex or something it doesn't tell you no I think the ████ exercise will not tell me I think the ████ could be as innocent in Hector selector uh variable

6:03 because it's like if he claims and then nothing happens and that was like a wasted opportunity for everybody else then it's like no problem second time he does again waste opportunities like that's a bad pattern third time he claims no you're not allowed to do that because everybody has that friend that's just so easily smitten and he's like oh she's the one she's the one it's like constantly doing that ████ totally so I had something like that with with a friend that wasn't like a close friend we all just were out and about and he wanted to hang out with girls so I was just like the girl I was talking to just told her bring from some friends or whatever went to a lounge we hung out and then the girl that he was kind of getting into like she doesn't really she wasn't into him he was being too thirsty and weird so she's like oh I think I'm gonna go home you know and then her friend was like oh no don't leave and then she's like yeah

6:54 I'm done like so she left but she decided to stay but I wasn't I was just like I don't know you know we're just gonna like chill tonight I wasn't really like thinking about hooking up or anything and then we're like at the club now and he's like really on to her because he's so Smitten by her now because she's the last one left so then my friend comes up who's a mutual friend I I barely know this guy and he goes out of principle you must now ████ that girl and I was like wait what the king is telling you that but I was oblivious at this time that she was into me because I was like I had like real low self-esteem it was just like I wasn't like thinking about that I was just like let's have a good time yeah I was in a bad place so I didn't recognize that she was like coming on that way so he goes hey I just

7:45 been watching this whole night he goes even though he's my friend and he introduced you know us as friends like he's a he's being a piece of ████ and he goes you out of principle you have to go home with her so then I did and he was so mad and he said all night he was talking mad ████ and then after that I became close to his friend and we're like buddies now and we don't even talk to the other guy like dang you guys just deleted him yeah man that happens yeah well have you have you been in a situation where like you let's say say you knew a group of guys right and you had your eye on one of them that was the one that in your mind was like okay he he's cool but then a different dude liked you and they all started respecting that guy so it kind of blocked everyone else out has that ever happened no because um I don't really hang out with a lot of large groups is very selective with who

8:35 I hang out with save on birthdays what'd you say you said on birthdays it's really good save on birthdays okay that's a huge problem dude's Dojo went down because all the birthdays 40 presents is a lot how many ████ birthdays a year think about that and every single one is like holy ████ what are we gonna do with four grand a year on just birthdays birthday presents that's a lot that's a lot of presents yeah you spend a ████ ton on birthdays and weddings and stuff people that's like multiple birthdays it's about guy code again it's happened that I just wasn't aware of like I went out with a group of friends and it was a situation like that what's the protocol then for in your guys's uh upbringings with Guy Code when two guys both are interested in the same girl

9:25 how do you settle that you have to fight you have to work yeah it depends if you guys are actual friends or not it depends on how close you are with this person because if you're close with them then you can be just straight up with them all right and then you'll know if it was you and Bart in like 2000 I would know out of the conversation who wants her more oh it wouldn't be up to her that's for damn sure nothing to ████ do with it no you could actually go sit over there we're gonna figure this out we'll come to you with a decision in the past if I would like real talk if I in the past if I like if I really cared about this guy and how they felt yeah and they were really my friend I yeah out of the conversation we probably

10:15 figure it out but if it's not then it's every man for himself and we weren't friends in the first place oh this is when I this is the moment I'll know because that's like oh is that how you are okay well who whoever gets her then we Glenn and we don't have to be friends yeah I don't know relationships do you think are ruined because of a mutual interest in a woman relationships that should have been ruined it's exposing the Achilles heel of that relationship I think I like the test it's a nice uh yeah it gets there quick I think I've only maybe uh maybe ran into some essence of that and things like high school but you know you're like still finding yourself too so I feel like those relationships are just you're such an adolescent you're developing things you know what I mean you're finding out um the focus is building a new relationship already you know versus even like maintaining an old one so it's kind of like I feel like

11:06 uh two dudes have a mutual interest in a chick and they can't figure out like Joe said and stay friends like they're they're not meant to be friends because a chick who splits dudes up is that's how's that how's that a good friendship between you guys you know that's true like women don't have that power really it's it's really just a weakness of the dudes yeah I just had a flashback of our mutual friend Eddie yeah so we had a um uh we would do these Church camp meetings during the summer it's kind of like you know where you go with your age group and then you do capping activities you stay together it's co-ed and all that right and that's when you had like sleepovers co-ed in the same tent whatever and then I remember who has a church co-ed sleepovers in the same tent that's so awesome yeah well like girls and guys in one ten several tents several tents

11:56 oh in the same like Campground in the area and then like we would pull all-nighters and then don't be like sometimes the the chaperones will come check in real quick prime time but it wasn't like we're ████ or nothing but we were we were I was hoping we were brushing our privates closely it sounds like they're dusting for fossils but they're rushing so so the closest thing which was pretty extreme back in the day was putting your arm over someone oh crazy remember that ████ like my heart's beating like ████ non-stop that was crazy right so the juice is Flowing we both were kind of into the same two-ish girls but we didn't know and we were just flirting right and then so like two-ish what's wrong with it do you have three arms she's just legs we both

12:47 there were two pretty girls and you got you had to just kind of shoot your shot and see which ones would would like you back right they had a friend that just lingered yeah yeah yeah yeah but it was me and him always for some reason it was always the same girl at the same time so it's like there's two of them but then how come you're giving her attention when I'm trying to flirt with her and then so every single time it was a competition at the same like it was like why can't you do this elsewhere right so I remember like it was always like so let's say we're in a on a church bus like going to one of the ████ events right it's like we're fighting over who sits next to which girl or whatever and then once we get there it's like oh she fell asleep on my shoulder yeah and then the other one's sitting in the back like steaming like you ████ son of a ████

13:37 she has her ████ head on your shoulder oh those are fun you guys are gonna get married yeah pretty much and they're already having babies and then you go oh she doesn't like me anymore and then she comes up to you when you're like in a circle ████ talking ghost stories or something and she sits next to you and does this ████ to your arm and I'm like oh yeah you see that Eddie you son of a ████ she likes me now and it would be like that but it would so severe and then the other girl that we both kind of like too would be left out and it would be switching with the four of us so she must be thinking too like confused hey we just keep flirting with the same two girls who can't make a decision in the meantime the youth pastor's like guys focus on the Lord but I think we were like 13 at the time and we never talked about it yeah it's all unspoken ever yeah that they're

14:27 rubbing privates yeah they're tent but but the tense walls are like this thick so you can hear sleeping bags you can hear everything oh that reminds me I had um so I have I have a homie that uh he's really good on diet code and he I remember he got really pissed I'll tell you who this is afterwards but he got really mad about Mike song one time and he was like man my song every time my girl is around he just becomes this comedian and starts making her laugh so damn hard and he was like he was like is Mike's song this funny all the time like or is it just when my girl's here and he was like steaming bad ████ yeah Mike I was like oh no man maybe it's just the question is Mike song a

15:17 comedian all the time absolutely not but he's a player you guys know you guys know who Jets quarterback Zach Wilson is no he's quarterback jets that was our trivia moment of the day Zach Wilson Zach Wilson's dating this chick all throughout High School right and he's he's a star quarterback and ████ like that so and she's like she's like a a really attractive young lady right and they all of a sudden break up and then all of a sudden like via Instagram you see she starts kicking it with his like wide receiver buddy on the team ████ up right so then everyone's like you're all you're a ████ homie betrayer and all this ████ in her comments every time she posts homie hopper that's what it says homie hopper

16:08 you're like you're a homie hopper you're a ████ homie hopper and everything that she posts she gets called a homie hopper and then one day she finally ████ lets it slip she's like ████ that he was ████ my mom's friend whoa Zach Wilson was [Music] she's like my name's not gonna be tainted he's a male he's a MILF Hunter Guy Code I have to sit here and ████ like put it all in strings and walls that's grounds for her I think that's I think it's in her favor I think it is her favorite yeah that's just a little smaller home probably I will oh I'm gonna go over your comments right now you know what violates Guy Code for me is when guys gossip okay so we're kind of gossiping

17:00 so it's like I told you something secret that's supposed to be between us and then you went off and told everybody in the world that's breaking guy code that's Geico that's Geico violation oh man come on man that makes sense you're like being my aunt right now with no presents yeah that's really what has to do with your dick size am I right out of a lot of like there's there's very many nuances with whether or not you're breaking it but two that I really think are very strict is um do not try to build rapport with another guy's girl by talking ████ on him oh that's the word that's a big that's a fact unless unless they're married and then you're all good then you're like yeah ████ this guy right that sucks I mean you know what I'm talking about

17:50 when you try to play you try to play into their like hey like I'm just looking out for you oh that guy I don't know who he was with that guy's a cuck for sure yeah it's like that snake ████ but it's not really because he's trying to help her it's really because he's trying to be the Savior yeah I have a blanket party with that guy ████ throw blanket on him and you hit him with a phone book I should have a blanket party that sounds like a fun time yeah the Yellow Pages dude yeah honey is the same thing would probably apply for like ladies too it's just s█████ Behavior humans just shouldn't do these things wait is there are there like is there a portal code there's no girl code

18:42 [Music] The Sisterhood of trailing pants this girl called the opposite like when I said at the beginning uh where with Guy Code it's like even if uh you know uh my homie is doing some kind of shady and then the chick is my homie too I don't say anything to the chick is a girl called the exact opposite everybody everything you have to say something chick is doing something conversating the guys my homie so I have to tell the guy that the chick is being like breaking that uh I don't want to say breaking that girl code but you know what I mean if I'm a chick and then my chick homie is doing something Shady too and then she's got a man but Batman is also kind of a friend I go to the man I'm like hey you this chick's acting up is that like Girl Code I would debate how

19:33 I want to get involved so it's gray area that's what girl code is great area it's circumstantial not accessory a lot of sorcery there it is I I ended a friendship over guy code violations well it was really just like how many how many new violations were there it was like 21. oh ████ no I was I was in a situation I think I talked about this before but my buddy was like cheating on his wife like hardcore like in my in my roommate's room like yeah my apartment well that's deep and I didn't know I thought he just ████ around because he's always like do bits about how hard he's cheating on his wife and he would do it in front of her and she's like laughing and ████ and then one day he's like yeah I'm gonna invite a check over and like Yeah from Craigslist and I'm like I'm like really I'm serious dude he did that and then he had been communicating with her on email but that's how he found hers on Craigslist oh my God so then I didn't know you

20:24 could hook up like that then I'm like just for the like kecks and ████ for the lulls I'm like well this is kind of fun like I don't think this is really happening so then he actually has a will come over and then he's like right under the next room and I'm like holy ████ this is actually happening and I was friends with both of them because I actually met her doing something that I probably shouldn't say because it'll really identify things but I met her I met her first and then I met him so like I felt like like but we're not really friends because she was married to him so it wasn't like you know it's like we're cool though it's like we're friends or whatever because I'm friends with both of you in your marriage right and then after that I was like I can't ████ look at her in the eye like I was like I can't be around that's the other thing too like if something like that happens your guy code's so strong so you're like I'm not gonna tell them but with my eyes you're

21:16 gonna know that fade to black dude I'm done I'm out piecing later that's that same example that I gave you guys like a few months back where I when I broke I code was because a girl Bartered Girl Code against mine she goes I know something your girl did but you got to tell me something my dude did you told me that that's crazy yeah that's a fair exchange but I regret it I think I made the wrong decision I should have just said ████ it and I should have said hey if you know something I should just break up with her because it must be bad right I don't even know what it is I should have just like silently took action but instead I fell for it and I was like all right let's hear it and she gave me that thing and it was merited to be like okay my relationship's over but and then she was like can you just give me anything she's like I know you know something and I sold him the hell out that's the offer you can't refuse but is

22:07 it really guy code if you guys aren't truly friends he was he was my best friend at the time okay never mind you'll sell out your best friend like that you were put on Leverage though you know what I'm saying that was like that's like holding uh information Ransom yeah it is yeah you should be in a position if you're really good friends with this person to to have a conversation with him about the things that he's doing that is just terrible hell yeah I'll ████ be the first one to call and say what the ████ is wrong with you son of a ████ it's like looking the other way because it's just Guy Code you should have that conversation with that person I think that's what complicates guy code is when you have a guy within that code that's it's making it really tough like he wasn't just like a he was serially cheating like it was it was really bad it would have caught up to him eventually and it and it you know it did in other ways later she already knew anyway but it's like some guy codes are

22:57 really hard to keep for that reason like like with with that you know like it's happening in front of you you're now like an accomplished yeah exactly it kind of affects your conduct as a person so you ever come from I'm like you're ████ making me accessory to cheating yeah and I didn't get my dick wet how's Donnie Brosco dude I was too far in I didn't even get I didn't get to come and I'm guilty ████

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