0:00 So, Bumble said, "My bad. We're actually going to allow guys to message girls first cuz it it did not work out." >> it not work out? >> They >> [laughter] >> Apparently, the app is >> that was a great idea. >> The app has been plummeting. >> Wait, that So, their their thing was girls got to reach out to you first so that they don't feel creeped out by guys like getting cat-called on the streets. >> Doesn't a dating app plummeting mean that it's working? Cuz they're out there dating. >> [laughter] >> I think that the a lot of the argument on the internet right now is that guys naturally try to talk to chicks first and chicks aren't used to doing that. >> That's why there's like 10 dances and one of them is Sadie Hawkins. >> Exactly. And it's rare. It's like, "Oh, it's Sadie Hawkins week." >> Yeah. >> But I thought dating >> What are you talking about? >> I thought dating apps was like [laughter] majority dudes. That's what drive the like money on it. And then
0:51 it's only like a few women on the app. It's not like a 50/50 split. And then they also have to get so many bots and ████ to go on to keep the activity going. >> Yeah, I'm sure there's a lot of that, too, but I think this is just about Bumble trying to >> Survive. >> We Exactly. Rewire what their business is. >> Yeah, or even looking for the exit, right? Everyone builds an app so they can sell it. >> It's a stupid move, though. >> Most of the time, they actually don't even really give a ████ about what the app is really about unless they're passionate. They're probably really just going, "F███, how do I get someone to buy this ████ so I can stop doing this?" >> Do they at least like do something funny where it's like guys have to pay an extra dollar a month or something to be able to like reach out first? Is there something? >> Ooh. I like that, but no. >> Like a premium. >> Yeah, no. >> But isn't it obvious because Okay, if I were to think about like making an app, right? If the girls were the only ones
1:41 messaging the guys, they're going to just message like the top 10% of the hottest dudes and none of the other guys >> 6-ft, 6-figure, 6-in dick >> 90% of guys on the app that's like waiting for a message and they're not going to get a ████ message. >> [laughter] >> Yeah, dude. >> So, it's stupid. >> it's going to plummet. >> Yeah. And then the hot girls that are like actually they could get, you know, guys, they're not going to go out of their way to message guys. So, they're not going to go on Bumble. >> But this is what separated Bumble from the other dating apps cuz it was always like the girl messages the guy, yeah. But but it just was not working out. >> Man, that's too bad. >> Right? >> That's why I forgot about that it even existed. >> Yeah. I forgot it existed, too. Hinge is another one, right? Where I think Hinge has similar >> that was a gay one. Grinder. >> Grinder. >> Oh, cuz you guys are regular guys.
2:31 >> was gay? >> Yeah. I think we made Nick an account. >> Oh, yeah. >> We did. >> [laughter] >> Oh, yeah. >> Dude, he got so many messages. >> And the guy was like, I'll come over right now or whatever or >> He's like, I'll suck your dick right now. >> It must be so easy on Grinder, like if that's your thing. Probably just have a inbox just >> full of That's probably why that that app will always work. Honestly, we should follow the money like Steve says. >> We should. We're I subscribe. >> I should. >> Buy some stock. >> What's that? Is that the most successful one? >> Grinder? >> Yeah. >> I have no idea. >> As an investment, like if someone came up to you and said, "I got this dating app, but check it out, only the girls could message the guys." Would you guys be like, "Take my ████ money?" Cuz immediately that sounds stupid. >> A gay one versus the gay one, Grinder. Is it one or the other? >> No, no, no, no, just uh idea. They're like, "I got this dating idea." >> Like the Bumble idea. >> Yeah, yeah, I think it's worth a chance.
3:21 >> Really? I think it's it's suck it's stupid. >> it paid off for people that probably did invest. >> I don't think it paid off for long. >> [laughter] >> That's why they series A and B, so people can sell. >> You know what? I'm just saying like I think that the there's something natural to guys shooting their shot, and we'll shoot way more shots. And I just think that if you want your app to have activity, having the chick shoot the shot, it's going to be way less. >> I think like Sadie Hawkins though, in the industry, if there's like 10 dating apps, one of those is useful. That You know what I mean? It it's >> It was a good idea cuz it was it set itself apart. And and I thought they did buy it. No? >> I thought people were using it because it set itself apart. >> Well, I thought that like they you know like the goal of being bought, I thought Bumble did get bought. >> It could have been sold already. >> Cuz now they're all owned by one thing. Like >> But you know how stupid this sounds to me? It's like >> Match bought it. >> It sounds like if >> I'm not sure. >> if someone came to me with a business
4:11 plan and they're like, "Check this out. I'm going to do a strip club, but you're going to be blindfolded." That's what it sounds like to me. It's [laughter] It's like It's like a pointless ████ business. It just won't work. [clears throat] >> What if somebody comes up to you with, "Dude, we're going to do matcha, but Boba Time is already there." >> I mean, yeah, exactly, though. >> Well, Boba Time didn't exist before JuneBee, so it's okay. >> Do you know where they're coming from, though? Because the from a girl's perspective, right? If you grew up getting hit on, cat called all the time, and maybe even borderline SA'd and stuff. >> a Mexican chick. >> Yes. Like, where do you Where do you find a safe space to still be in the dating pool? And it's sort of cool if if I'm in a almost like in like a one-sided mirror, like, you know, like the police, and I get to choose. I can see why like it would empower the women, but also now you just limited your pool like
5:02 crazy. So, now you only have 1,000 subscribers instead of maybe a million. >> Yeah, but that but that's the whole point, right? If everybody's just trying to have like the most generic available for everybody, like somebody's going to win and everybody's going to lose, right? >> think it's like going to the store and you get to look in the Foster's freezer at the ice cream, but you don't get to buy it. You have to wait for the ice cream to pick you. >> Yeah, so I think from the guy's perspective, like what kind of guy would sign up for that? >> Sure. >> Yeah. >> So, you're just waiting. >> I thought it was meant for um like it was good for guys originally because um Tinder had so much activity where like women never responded. I thought that was the antidote. >> their pitch? >> That's what I assumed. I assumed that like, "Oh, if you join Bumble, you don't have to waste your time like just like empty messaging all these people because the girl has to say the first thing. Bumble feels more like >> duck duck goose where you're just sitting in a and you just have to wait
5:53 for someone to pass you and pass you and pass you. You're like, "F███, pick me, pick me, pick me." >> You're still matching. It's just that you she has to speak first, right? >> Do you also think like the online dating kind of went through like a little bit of a COVID blip as well? You know, where because of the whole >> Oh, hell yeah. >> So, like it blew up, but then now that like COVID's like much every day it gets a little bit farther behind. >> correction. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I think so. I think so. >> So, like in general, I I I might assume that every one of those apps is like kind of chilling out. >> People got wise to what apps were doing to them, too. >> Mhm. >> I think people just kind of got disillusioned. >> Like ████ them up? >> Yeah, they got disillusioned. They're like, "Oh, I'm just being gamed." You know what I mean? Like they realized that the system was rigged against them cuz that is kind of what happened with dating apps. >> And now the system is not rigged against them. >> Why? What happened? >> I'm just saying that that it's still the
6:43 same thing. >> Hopefully what happened is they were all like, "I should just date in the real world." And just like go and meet people and cold talk. >> I think it's kind of like the having awkward nephews and nieces though where like it's it's a learned habit, right? So, like if if you really shut down during COVID and you were doing online dating apps, I don't think you you can really emerge that easily for some people, right? >> Yeah. I mean, we're all married dudes talking about this ████ >> I know, and none of us really use dating apps, right? >> You know what's tight though? That we are all married dudes talking about this ████ And we're going to be just front row eating popcorn watching the next generation of people starting to fall in love with robots and ████ >> Oh, and we're just going to be bitter and we're going to be bitter. We're going to be complaining with each other the whole time. Like, "Back in my day it was human connection." And all that ████ >> But we get to watch it though. That's kind of interesting. >> The saddest like people have to consider the bot rate. Like what's the chances I'm talking to a fake person? That
7:34 sucks. >> Probably happening. >> That's why in the first one or two ████ Zoom meetings you got to be like, "Show me the puss." >> Yeah, show me your puss. >> Show me the puss. Say the inside. >> Straight to Zoom. >> [laughter] >> Send your gynecologist >> the only fans girl >> they're going to ████ stay online. These fools want to >> Send your gynecologist report. >> Yeah. >> The first time like your son-in-law brings home like a 10 out of 10 robot and you're and you're like ████ [snorts] all right. >> [laughter] >> Damn, she's warm. She's one of the warm ones. >> Holy ████ Let me see your ████ >> I'm that then I'm reading the ethics policy on everything because I'm I'm am I attracted to my son's robot? What line have I crossed? >> I think this is >> That's ████ up. >> Yeah, that's a weird one. >> objectively attractive It falls in the category. >> What if you could get like a 2001 Jessica Alba robot and your son but but we can't get it cuz but your son gets it and you're just like oh man he's like
8:24 dad look I can make her blonde too and it's like >> [laughter] >> What did I do? >> He has no idea what I have in my ████ storage. >> What storage? >> Oh, you mean you're you're already doing it. I see what you're saying. >> What? >> What are you talking about? >> You mean you're already getting into it. >> He's futuristicly, dude. >> in my panic room that only I know about >> Futurely, man. >> Futurely >> You don't know you don't know his power. >> He's like look dad I can put her in the Fantastic Four costume. >> He has a basement full of AI hookers. >> [laughter] >> You don't have other wigs and skins yet? >> If you could load your your entire Claude what you've done so far into like a female robot, would you do it? >> Well, my my agent is a dude. >> What? >> My agent's personality is a dude. >> But let's say your agent you you can now make a physical person out of it and you could change it into a girl. Would you rather have a dude
9:14 a Claude agent or a girl Claude agent? >> to be distracted by the person who's helping me work. >> What? That's But that's what that's what it is to have a secretary. >> That's like an assistant for eye candy. >> So you rather have a 6-ft Claude guy with a six-pack standing in your office? >> Why does he have to have a six-pack? Why can't he just Tar I named him Tars because he's a block robot from Interstellar. >> Why are you being misogynous? You don't want to hire women? You don't want to give women opportunities? >> I don't want to hire them, I want to create them. >> Oh, jeez. >> Well, if he if he gets a female one, he doesn't have to pay her as much. >> Damn it. >> That's a good point. >> When you make games for your avatar, do you make buff strong men, or do you make hot like what you choose one of the girl characters? >> For sure, I always play only with buff strong men. >> Oh, really? I always use women. I think it's funny looking. >> I use women, and then I always get bored because I'm like costumes don't feel as cool. >> [laughter] >> That's true, actually. >> I just I don't know. I just feel like
10:04 that. >> I get it. >> Cuz you're staring at his butt the whole time he runs, you know? >> I'm fine especially when he climbs, and I'm like jealous. >> My friend called me gay for choosing guys cuz he's like, "Why would you want to watch men all day and dress them up?" He was like, "Check this out." We're playing Saints Row, and then he's all like, "I just put her in a bikini all [snorts] day." And I'm like, "F███. That's true. This is so not gay." >> That's what we would do with like Tomb Raider back in the day. There would be like little hacks, and you could change her outfit. >> Out of all your friends though that that have like been successful in their relationships or whatever, have any of them met on a app? Like like cold call, not like you introduced, and then they maybe communicate on that, but just like straight-up cold call on a on an app? >> Coffee Meets Bagel is the only app I've ever known uh that I have friends that are in like years-long relationships. >> What separates them from like Bumble or
10:55 the other one? >> I don't know. I think I think Coffee >> Isn't that the Christian one? >> They just screen differently? >> Yeah, maybe. I think Coffee Meets Bagel was just advertised for like for people that want to have meaningful relationships. >> I heard that that was less of a hookup one, and it was actually like >> when you're on that, you know you're trying to get in a relationship. >> Cuz Tinder became like just total hookup. No one took it seriously after >> I feel like Hinge my brother got married his wife on Hinge. >> Oh. >> So, and Hinge is one of those ones too that I think they do it a little more selectively as well where it's >> Their like target demo are people looking for a long-term stable relationships. >> Like TJ met his girl on Coffee Meets Bagel. They've been together like 7 years now, Engaged. >> Oh, cool. >> I know I know um a Hinge couple that got married in Austin and eHarmony couple that got married. >> Oh, that's that's old school. >> But that also means it wasn't like gamified. It was like actually the
11:46 service. And then the few people who were even willing to do such a taboo thing were already like full send. >> It cost more, too, right? eHarmony? >> It was like 120 something bucks or something like that. >> It's a little It's different. It's not gamified, right? >> Not at that time, no way. >> And then I got a good buddy who married a porn star on Lisa Madison. >> On Lisa Madison? >> Ashley Madison? >> Ashley Madison. [laughter] >> You're still thinking of Lisa Marie Scott. >> You guys got me ████ up with that. We were looking at nudies for a second ago. >> We were looking at nudies. Is that a dating app for porn stars? >> [laughter] >> Wait, I thought Ashley Madison was a sugar baby website, right? >> website, yeah. >> cheating one. I see. >> I was thinking of Ashley Furniture. >> It's the one where like everyone had affairs and then the list got leaked. >> And it were bots and men, right? >> Bots and men, yeah. A lot of men. >> Wait, what? A bunch of girls were cheating with bots?
12:36 >> No, guys. Well, there were women on there, but >> They were trying to cheat on their wives with like people there only hot women on this on this website and they had to pay a premium for it, but it was all bots. And it got exposed. And then the whole list got leaked a couple years ago. >> It's unfortunate that it got exposed. The show got like a more epic long list. >> They continued on after that. >> Yeah, I think so. >> Isn't that crazy? Who wants to do it after they got leaked? That's crazy. >> I know, you got to be like a real dangerous man to sign up after that. >> It's crazy. Like it it got leaked. That's nuts. >> Only married people that signed up, though? >> No, it's not only, but that's that's how they advertised it. It was like have an affair. Anthony Lee. >> Don't say my name. >> Cuz all the dumbasses are probably like, "Not my girlfriend. She wasn't one of the bots. I asked." >> [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Every guy was like, "Mine wasn't a bot." >> That's so tight. Uh what was the website
13:27 again? >> ashleymadison.com/anthonylee If you want to go straight to your profile.
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