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Man Put in a Chokehold by Another Rider on NYC Subway

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0:00 he comes into the subway he asks for food and water and this is how he gets treated maybe you like he was doing one of those videos right maybe he had a thousand bucks in his pocket did they check him out and see if he had a thousand bucks [Music] all right so this is in the news right now because we are the news there's a dude who has just died after being put in a choke hold by another Rider on a New York City I saw this video I heard about this you saw the video saw the video yeah the guy holds him a choke hold for like 15 minutes oh my god oh is it the guy that it's like a long time that that um they said that he was being like belligerent and ████ yeah he wasn't being well different this is where I mean it's still under investigation you

0:50 follow U.S crime on Instagram it's been popping up and then I just saw this kid like like in a Michael Jackson suit and then they're like they they murdered this dude this guy said that he was being like um loud or asking like yelling at people so he had to like hold him down but he was choking them yeah and I was like I didn't watch the video so I don't know what went down but that's like the narrative that was like a marine right his name is Jordan Neely um I don't know anything about a marine but he definitely was a well-known Michael Jackson no the Marines the yeah the chocolate oh okay so the one guy's the uh like a Michael Jackson street performer he like performs in the subway car he's like 30 years old or something so that's the one guy and then the other guy's like a real tough guy the other guy's like a former Marine age 24 yeah why why did he want to choke out of Michael Jackson impersonator that makes

1:41 because he came he came onto the subway car saying I want food and water I'm not taking No Finance I'm Gonna Hurt Somebody I don't care if I go to jail I'll do a life sentence what that's what he was saying uh the Michael Jackson person who said that yeah he also has had 40 prior arrests that's a weird Michael Jackson but did he do it like I don't know if that's an exact quote from Michael yeah that's I don't I don't think maybe those are lyrics in the high voice oh that's from I can't stop loving you oh ████ now he was talking to the to the man in the mirror dude he wasn't talking about it yeah he he was like going off basically and I'm not gonna take no man in the mirror is probably my favorite Michael Jackson song yeah [Music] he said he was going to hurt people basically on the on the train so dude just try to restrain him they said that

2:31 the dude I don't know in the video was the guy resisting in the video now what happened in the video video I saw it was this dude this white guy with curly hair choking out yeah uh the Michael Jackson impersonator it started with the choke out already that's where I saw that video from oh and there was like two other guys holding down his legs so there was three guys holding him down and then one guy was choking him out but in the in the caption I don't know how true this is it was saying he was holding him in the choke hold for 15 minutes and I was like well that sounds they said it was a long time but also in the in the report they said the dude was struggling almost the entire time too like he was like he was trying to get he wasn't like okay fine like he was like trying to get out the whole time so they didn't that's why they didn't stop holding them down the point of the video that I saw and it was once again it was like 10-15 seconds he was like choked he

3:22 looked like he was unconscious but damn that might have been towards tail end of the video because on Instagram people trying to get those views is this is this sparking like another George Floyd kind of thing yeah it's like white and black and and and racism and all that or is it like the point of view that I heard is that no they're the protests are saying no one should be able to take a life that way but he tried to protect people so there's that side oh yeah it's definitely conflicting yeah it's conflicting like crazy yeah I mean no one should be able to drive into neighborhoods and just start shooting each other and have stray bullets hating people either I guess because they were saying he was having a mental health crisis he hadn't yet like attacked anyone I don't believe he hadn't but he made a threat yeah he was making verbal threats okay I don't know and again this guy's had so they're proposing every subway car should have a licensed psychiatrist like in every single subway

4:13 car to prevent them I think my question would be yeah if he made the threats right like because we hear homeless people say crazy ████ all the time most people just most people just ignore them but did the marine guy hear the threat jump up and like just start choking them immediately no no no or did they tell them calm down like did they try to de-escalate I think because I didn't yeah I didn't see the videos I don't know I feel like people in New York are also used to a different level yeah I don't know I would say crazy but just like wild ████ that would happen so I feel like most of the Times Like New Yorkers are just like yeah whatever so the fact that like he was acting in a way that caused such a big reaction for multiple people is also notable right you should take the subway in LA and you're just used to that ████ people coming in and screaming and all kinds of yeah you're used to a homeless man just ████ peeing on the floor and everyone's just like moving away like dude it's sad it's definitely said that

5:04 he died like I'm sure that's not what the that Marine guy probably didn't want to kill him like that but he had to hold him right if my mom was on that train I'd be like ████ take the dude out yeah for sure no exactly I hate to say that it's nice when we're judging something from afar but when you're actually there under Potential Threat like you don't I don't I don't care put myself there and if someone's been threatening over and over like I don't care if I go to jail someone better give me food or water whatever it's like oh ████ and especially nowadays with all like the the shootings that you see and all the wild stuff that's been happening and the media like heightening it like I think most people are just on edge anyway so I saw this bully cholo like in um the LA rail system there's a video of him just like pumpkin people and then like being hella aggressive he hasn't ████

5:54 anybody up yet but he's in their faces like and it looked like right there when he was about to punch someone and then this guy comes up grabs him in a choke hold puts them to sleep yeah and this was and I'm thinking like if it was like that bad where this guy's like an inch away in front of people's faces and like it looks like something's gonna erupt into violence then to me that makes sense why why you would do it but if he's just like yelling at people in the Train by himself I mean he was Far Away acting erratically he said he was Fed Up and hungry he said I'm tired of having nothing I don't care if I die I don't care if I go to jail I don't have any food I'm done so I think our conversation that's always kind of or that's also being brought up is just kind of the the rise in like homelessness and like the not being able to take care of the people the right way so you're putting people into a corner as well where they don't have anything so when you have your back against the

6:44 wall like you got nothing to lose it's going to spark more things like this but what what I would ask is do you know again I don't know how to put people in ████ chokeholds and stuff like that can you tell when you're going to either strangle somebody or put them to sleep can you control putting somebody to sleep you can feel them go limp like you can feel people like when they pass up there's the difference between that passing out and dying well here's the thing is like when they pass out in like 10 to 15 seconds once blood rushes back to their head they'll probably wake up again so then you put them to sleep in and then you wait let them wake up and no I'm just kidding you don't do that holy crap I was like what though no no you don't do that that's probably the worst way to do it it's a gangster yeah I think I think at that time that's when it's really important to understand how to like restrain somebody right like to be able because there's a way you could physically hold somebody down without cutting off there without having to like

7:37 slam somebody on their head or make them unconscious there's a way to restrain that's my favorite way though honestly yeah and Bart's always suplexing people is it is it easier to do it with multiples versus one yeah definitely so so this is it I think you're technically a homicide as a death by compression of neck AKA Chokehold so it's like Jesus like what it would it but that's the problem is like this guy and the Marine kid he knows enough to be dangerous but like he like he knows enough to kill somebody which is is that some Con Air ████ that's Connor ████ right that's like hey you're technically trained killer at the same time as he's saving the lives of the subway if they're going crazy who knows exactly yeah I think that's the hard part for me because like did the marine guy walk all the way across from the other side of the train to restrain this dude did he

8:28 overreact um because he's not from New York and he's just not or is it was a guy like this close and then he goes oh ████ this guy's about to ████ everybody up for real you know like did he have to kill him is the question right exactly because like you just don't know or is he if he's struggling around like what Ryan's saying the whole time he might not even know he's just like oh ████ yeah and then if he's holding on for long enough it's like oh ████ I didn't even know I killed him because for me it's like what got him to that point but if he's already there then that is like yeah to me if you're already in this position then yeah you might kill someone you might not right but the point of getting there is where I'm not sure if it's Justified or not the one of the top comments I saw that like had a bunch of likes was like someone said uh the a guy who shows up on a train asking for food and water and this is how you

9:19 respond to it but I'm like that's not really you're gonna cherry pick that part yeah not put in the part where he said I'm gonna kill someone or like I want to hurt somebody like Yeah and I don't care if I go to jail like that part's the most important my question to that guy would be like if he's asking for food and water let him go to Costco why you go to Subway there's literally no food or water anyway he went to the wrong Subway go to yeah supposed to go to Subway with a sign in the green and the yellow not an actual Subway dude I went to Las Vegas I didn't caught zero trout but honestly I'd rather no ████ ████ I'd rather not even go to that Subway though yeah but yeah the fact he died as a result of a good citizen trying to neutralize a threat is highly unfortunate I would personally in my life would love if someone was around that could help like what this guy did I don't want somebody killing everybody around like someone

10:10 with ████ webs and ████ but on the flip side though like isn't that the right way to act in society yeah definitely on the flip side is like did you have to choke them out the whole time right if you got three guys holding somebody down because that the video I saw was three guys or if he's not if he's unarmed right it looked like yeah he they're on top of him he has his back we'll hold them in an armor just ████ hold them like this keep your head inside three other guys or two other guys will hold his legs down just wait wait till the next one he was like ████ being belligerent the whole time but dude he wasn't no place to move right what if he Moon walks out of it the only thing dude remember the Lost remember the Las Vegas Michael Jackson impersonator who took down that one belligerent ████ imagine this marine and that Jiu Jitsu Michael Jackson ████ like a John Cena versus the Michael Jackson where's the piggyback off of what what Ryan's saying like that

11:01 commenter he's like he comes into the subway he asks for food and water and this is how he gets treated maybe like he was doing one of those videos right maybe he had a thousand bucks in his box did they check him did they check him and see if he had a thousand bucks then you know they're like so here's some food and water he's like here I wanted to give you a thousand dollars I'm like oh no no I can't take it and he's like no no no you you helped me I want to give you a thousand dollars he was trying to do a social experiment and then when he gets choked down his friends like from bail maybe that's why he'll squirm it the whole time I got a thousand bucks yeah he's trying to reach the thousand bucks it's fine no oh no you should always check to just say yes and then you'll get maybe get a thousand bucks that would be the worst alcohol Undercover Boss who just wanted to be they just wanted to make a viral

11:51 Tick Tock video yeah you you go on that Subway every day you've seen this guy all the time you know he's had 40 prior arrests you're like maybe he's got a thousand bucks today you see the road mic on his ████ dirt oh what um oh God that's a road mic this is a production I just hope it doesn't make people think twice about helping like it already is yeah you know what I mean like people like you'll get either this or you'll get why didn't anyone do anything yeah like you just get one yeah that's true we often make a vote with the imperfect information there's more information but I'm not even gonna give it where are you guys voting right now for the potential suspect of the marine guy that's hard if I hear a threat being made and if something I neutralize the threat I'm always going to be on the neutralizer yeah because I think even if he killed him neutralizes a hell of a word to you it's there my friend because he didn't

12:41 just neutralize the guy oh no he ████ equalized him dude equalizer three dude yeah it's hard because I'm not in that train but if I was saying if I was in the train I saw a a guy making a threat to the train I'm not gonna assume I'm not going to assume that this person has mental problems and we need to be delicate and lovely I'm just gonna think this might this guy might have a gun and if someone chokes him out I'm like thank you and then after I feel bad because I'm like oh he had mental health problems but that's the issue right because think about how all the people go oh all he wanted to do to rob you but then it's like yeah it's true like like after the fact right but when someone breaks into your home or when someone poses a threat you can't assume

13:31 intent you times out if you break into this home are you going to rape me or are you just gonna come in and steal my kitchen knives and then go home because you need to ████ cut turkey or whatever right it's like you don't know the intent of the person that is posing this threat so then and you're under duress in that moment exactly so if someone says they're gonna kill you and then they just met oh it's a figure of speech but I just said it aggressively I wasn't really gonna do it but then if they get eliminated for making a threat then to me I'm like you played with fire my whole thing is if they break into my house how do I know they're not trying to give me a thousand dollars laughs [Music]

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