0:00 but dude yesterday we were hanging out with with um um ████ dietrichs and he was like ashamed of his acting I'm like you're way better than ████ Clan Van Damme I don't even know dietrichs can do the splits and that movie where he's acting got a six percent so yeah all right this is for the OG's out there all right in Rotten Tomatoes news submitted by rhianime submitted by me oh because I told you about it oh some users submitted it by Ryan anime and they and this is about how Rotten Tomatoes scores have been manipulated they ████ dude by a PR firm they're ████ and they're paying critics for reviews is this recent or has it always been this way well so the story is
0:51 breaking recently right this week I never trusted because I always thought it was rig for some reason when I saw that movie Equalizer three get like 90 of Rotten Tomatoes I was like it's not that good how the ████ did this movie get 90 dude 90 because some of them is it not the reviews I was like why that made no more it just didn't make any sense and it never matched the public sentiment so I was like something's going on here it doesn't make and I stopped ████ looking at Rotten Tomatoes This was like years ago but it was the same reason as you because they would have the audience score be different than the review score yeah and then they're always going to be different but like sometimes it's like 40 50 points different right and it's so at that point I thought who are these ████ gatekeeping snobs that I think they know it film but they don't know film or they're just so Niche that they trash everything else that they don't
1:41 like and they only like a little style of you know so I'm like they're not real like good critics and maybe maybe I don't like their tastes but now this makes way more sense so what was happening this is this is a PR firm who's basically paying people to give reviews just paying randos basically to like go hey go establish your account on Rotten Tomatoes and then give us a good review and then we'll pay you I'll do that and so the pr firm it's not Rotten Tomato saying hey and we'll give you some good good reviews you pay us right it's this PR firm so they're they're basically exploiting the Rotten Tomatoes layout yeah and using it to actually help make money for um movies that otherwise wouldn't really make that much that's why we need Roger
2:31 and Ebert dude we need those guys back didn't they give two thumbs down to hook damn dude Cisco and Ebert it's a toffee but I get it though it's also one of those things where sometimes from a critics point of view a movie like sucks and then it becomes a cultural phenomenon later oh yeah like blood sport I don't know what the Grant's not universally known to be that but also too I think that's just us I feel like when movies you really do have to go in watching it for what the movie's supposed to be and that's the hard part that's the hard part right it's like it's like when I go watch ████ what's a movie example like like for instance Barbie I watched I went to that movie thinking all right it's gonna be a fun time at the movie it's not gonna be anything ████ that serious it's not gonna be that big of a deal but I remember I had a very fun viewing experience but my wife she went in with a complete different mindset well she just she thought she's
3:23 a fashion girl so she was like I was expecting all these outfits and blah blah blah blah there weren't enough outfits she didn't think there was there was too many for me hey dude my wife said there wasn't enough outfits okay not enough outfits I was overwhelmed yeah yeah and I was like and she was like yeah it was cool like that and I was like okay but I I left I was like that was so funny I had such a fun time I remember last time I had that much fun in a movie in a while me too it was my favorite movie of the year so far yeah honestly when does the review of the movie start does it start with like trailer one then because the trailer already starts to prep you of how you should watch the movie I think the problem is sometimes the trailer throws it one way yeah and then you go watch the movie and then so you try to go in with that bias that you feel like the trailer trailer told you to have I say no trailers dude yeah no trailers you want to go watch it or not whoa I don't know if you're I think you just have to
4:13 go on the subject matter of the movie right I think trailers like for one example where did it to us was like we were so excited to watch forgotten like me and Quest you ever seen that movie forgotten no so in the trailer it's like this lady wakes up basically and she's I guess her life she had like a kid and then that used to play with the neighbors kid and then she wakes up she doesn't have a kid the neighbor doesn't have a kid and the neighbor's like what are you talking about and there's no pictures of kids in any of their houses yeah she's ████ nuts and then she's like what the ████ did I did I just imagine my life and then at one point in the movie like she uh or the trailer they ████ rip the wallpaper and the kid wallpaper's still there and it makes you go what the ████ yeah and you just want to know what happened and then you watch the movie and you're like oh the answer is aliens that ████ sucks yeah yeah yeah yeah see that's why you gotta go no trailer I think that's why it could work against you and like you didn't want that but doesn't that make
5:03 you want to watch the movies I think it does but then like I think people's own expectations when they go watch a movie it'll ruin it for him I think at least for me but that's also the job objective of the person making trailers that's not usually the guy who made the movie the guy who made the trailer is just getting people in the ████ getting you interested getting that hook of like oh what the ████ and they definitely misrepresent what films are a lot of the time they'll even even remember we've talked about this like um they'll use scenes that are completely cut from the trailer yeah but they won't anymore they don't need anymore but they're they were doing that for a long time and then you go to the movie you don't even see that whole scene they're just trying to trick you into the theater but that lawsuit like totally cut that out of the biz didn't it yeah so basically this this PR form is called bunker 15. they were manipulating the rotten uh Tomato score of a project by
5:53 paying critics for positive reviews and burying the negative ones the project in question is a 2018 movie called Ophelia which nobody literally ever heard of a female fronted adaptation of Hamlet starring Daisy Ridley does that sound great or what dude no one is gonna watch that Daisy Ridley's a Star Wars girl yeah Ophelia is that like a like a Shakespeare yeah that sounds like a big project but the trailer was good because it had like a bunch of Shakespeare scenes with ba with the bar oh that's tight yeah yeah and Hans Zimmer ████ scoring it wow no one's watching that bro but the ball with the ballpark got me so it was not a good movie people didn't like it uh early press greetings uh said that they just got 46 in in like rotten within 13 reviews seven of which were negative and then bunker 15 the pr firm
6:44 got to work quote unquote started taking on obscure often self-published critics who are still part of the Rotten Tomatoes attract reviewers so people who maybe weren't doing that much which is the weird thing that like they have the same value as the LA Times or like as someone that puts their rep out constantly so hey resuscitate your account you're not doing that much hey come on back you're already on here why don't you give us a positive review and we'll pay you for it and that's what they were doing smart move yep and they were able to pay them 50 dollars or more per positive review and wow the all of a sudden they started to get more positive um you know feedback the score goes up to 62 percent and a month later IFC film bought distribution rights for its U.S release well good for them that's the accessory the biggest good for them so now IFC films got ripped off essentially
7:35 knowing that using this model they can sell the movie they obviously you're using like algorithms and stuff to be like hey if that's this amount of percents we can definitely track it in through these markets and get enough eyeballs they they do do that even without the Rotten Tomatoes Amazon yeah some movies they'll have like however many theater release they know if they could pack however many tickets then they'll open up the next batch of theater releases so some people just straight up buy out the whole theater and there's no one in there just so they can open up okay it's cool we have these 15 territories now these 25 territories also Now open up so it's not like I guess not unique to them yeah and all I gotta say is great job bunker 15. yeah I mean they did hack the system yeah you you had a job you completed it got the ████ movie distributed but the backlash is worse for the movie
8:27 I feel like think so yeah because now you know like we've always said Rotten Tomatoes probably had something uh weird about something but it's also that that by the way that site was created and still owned by like an Asian dude so that's cool when I saw a Wizard of Oz have a hundred percent I was like man ████ that classic film but you mean the original yeah why is that bad I don't know I think one time I was searching I was like what has a hundred percent and it said Wizard of Oz and I was like we don't got the same taste you think wizard balls is whack I mean that's a Zeitgeist it's not as good as blood more another hundred ah dude see it's a blizzard of Oz if Bloodsport was 100 I'm like dude it's a classic I trust your taste but I don't really quite trust their taste if it's it's structurally it's structurally really good too but this is the first time that Rotten
9:17 Tomatoes actually did something about it oh really yeah that's why I think it's bad for the film yeah so um Rotten Tomatoes delisted a bunch of the firm's movies oh like bunker 15 from the site and they said look we take Integrity of our scores very seriously we don't tolerate any attempts to manipulate them or gain them we have a dedicated team who monitors our platforms regularly and thoroughly investigates and resolves any suspicious activity um but yeah this Scandal aside what we're talking about what kind of smells like they did an entire report about this that goes into in detail about issues Rotten Tomatoes in their system which has been slammed by filmmakers all over the years including Scorsese he's like hey this destroyed the art of individual experts thoughts and opinions and created a big Collective where we all just review a big a number instead of individual submission finding out why
10:08 yeah someone dissecting it you used to like go through the newspaper and just see different perspectives even and now we just look at the score and we go it's bad it's a good movie Bad movie yeah and something we did everything as Americans I think because even there used to be a whole quick critique like roll like a job like you're a film critic you were like a food critic right like you spent hella time studying it creating like and then there used to your opinions to mean something like but now it doesn't ████ matter because now it's like millions of people with ████ taste yep yeah dude we just want to and I do this too by the way like if I see a movie like being reviewed on some website I just scroll all the way down to see what the score is before I even decide if I want to read part of your culture now for how you check yeah it's also weird too because I didn't think
10:59 about that about how like certain films could lose or gain distribution based on their Rotten Tomatoes score I don't know I didn't think about that it's just so popular like it became the new standard like my dad used to open up the newspaper and he would look at the reviews of like you know oh Roger Ebert and Cisco the reviews are in yeah and we would decide what movie we're gonna see right yeah and usually we're already pretty hyped up remember they even had a show they were like the top five movies of the weekend or whatever watch that ████ but like let's go neighbor well that's what probably has a what's blood sweats Rotten Tomatoes score that's probably wrong dude it's probably 30 I like how blood Sports should be the best movie ever you know what I mean like that that's a movie where like if you didn't know what it was you might have missed it if you just looked at the score look I love Bloodsport me too I think it's ████ way better than 46 see it's wrong they got love story you played rotten it's under 60. action but 74 audience score but but Van Damme kind
11:49 of sucks in these movies he's not that good he's like really weird you can make the argument of like dude he kind of wrote dude he's a great actor he should have got Oscar for this scene that was that was dope you know what I mean I was a Believer I think he got nominated but dude yesterday we were hanging out with with with um um ████ dietrichs and he was like ashamed of his acting I'm like you're way better than ████ Clan Van Damme I don't even know D Tristan do the splits and that movie where he was acting got a six percent so yeah I just don't understand he made a movie for men but he's always got to be wearing tight silky underwear and he's bent over he knows what men want remember he shows his butt Bart Diggs is better the Wizard of Oz dude Immaculate taste here's the thing you're not gonna watch this dude if you order a ████ Pizza Hut you're
12:40 gonna turn on Wizard of Oz or Bloodsport exact amundo that's that's a good about that's a really good take it's a good take it's a good take it's a good take but if my mom's around I have to put on Wizard of Oz I can't put on both words [Music]
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