0:00 [Music] Welcome back to an episode of Careful Boys, where we discuss who is the most fraudulent person you've ever known. Fraudulent. The biggest fraud of your life that you've ever met. Oo, fraud. A person that is so fake. Oh, well, that you'll never forget them for this. We one time had a a doctor on the show that was pretty fraudulent. Oh, yeah. The fans the fans know about that. A fake doctor. It's pretty fake. That's That's a pretty big font. That was a pretty big move on him. You guys had a fake doctor? Yeah, he was a fake doctor. What was he a doctor in? Fakeness. General practitioner. Yeah, he said he was a doctor at I don't know like UCLA or something. And but his lies were so crazy. It was just like I was just like, "Tell me more." And he cried in here. He was like, "Tell
0:51 us about like how he he's changing lives and saving lives." Psycho, dude. It was wild, bro. But it was a long con too cuz we met him where we used to get our haircuts and we would see him there. So it's like over like a year and you would always see him in scrubs. He'd always wear a stethoscope. See him like Yeah. You see Yeah, exactly. And you see his like Yeah. Bieber's going crazy. Yeah. He's wearing like scrubs. He would walk into I got to get back. Looks like another ambulance got dispatched. He's like bar you got to take care of that cough man. Doesn't sound good. He you see his hospital badge and all that. So you see like for a year and then he even tweeted bar like ages ago like oh you you know JK inspired me to to actually like follow my dreams now I'm a doctor now and then like we found that tweet like ages ago and then it was I was like oh same guy by the way he had all the in here wet dude they were oh my god you
1:43 lay a towel down around their chairs cuz he was talking about how he does multiple jobs multiple degrees and like that Gio's ready to suck his dick immediately as soon as he starts Wait, that's for real. The girls were like that. They were buying into it really hard. Oh my god, dude. All they had to do All All someone had to do was just touch it and they would have come. That's how That's how close it was. No, none of the girls felt like there was a weirdness about it that they were eating it up. Panning over fist. Damn. Really? How? Well, then when did you guys find out exactly? Pretty quickly, like after the first round was in the room. No, no. When after the first round of videos came out and then Joe was telling me how weird it was cuz he went to hang out with him afterward and he was like this guy's ████ weird. How did it get what I I I had a weird feeling. So I wanted I wanted to have dinner with him. So get to know him a little bit. I kind of like that. Go on a date. Oh, Joe likes that. Like people watching people watching people. I was at a cigar shop the other
2:34 day and there was a guy talking about his like he's basically stolen Valor. Like I started pressing him and then me and my buddies just smoking cigars and the whole time afterwards I got out I was like dude that guy was ████ a compulsive liar. He was then why did you want to keep talking to him and I'm like it's fun so I wonder I I love to see how far people will go if you let them right cuz I don't stop them and then if you call them out too early you can't really see what type of person they are. So I have a lot of fun to see like if if I make them believe that I believe then how much will they go? Yeah. Yeah. And then um so I I did slip a little bit though cuz he showed me his uh uh his doctor degree that he had in his living room and I was like, "Oh, that's cool." You know, you ended up going to his house. Yeah, I went to his house. Yeah. Then I met his family and everything. And were you like wearing his like t-shirt afterwards like the the next
3:25 morning? Wait, my family. That was the next morning. He had a wife and kids. No, no, no. His he lived with his dad. And then he had a story about how like how like, oh, you know, I'm just moving back into my house because I'm like, "Oh, you're a surgeon?" Yeah, but I'm moving back in here to help my family, you know, cuz everything is like, "Oh, I just need to help them." So, like, everything is like, "I am the best guy ever." And then so we're in his living room and then like he has his degree and then like and then I'm like, "Oh, that's cool. So, you you got your uh uh degree here." He was he wanted to show it to me and he goes, "See, you know, I am a doctor." I'm like, "Yeah, that's cool." I mean, I could have printed that out, too, and put it on the wall, but yeah, you did a ████ good job. And his face went blank cuz I and I and I was like, "F███, I shouldn't I like Why did I do that?" Yeah, you jabbed him too hard. Yeah. Yeah, I could have just kept it to myself and then we talked some more and then uh um afterwards um it was one of our editors has a friend, a mutual
4:16 friend when the video started coming out, they're like, "Yo, that guy's a ████ liar, dog. Like, like he like we all know this. Like we all went to school with him. This fool, he really believes it. like he thinks like so he's not like a he doesn't I don't think he knows he's being fraudulent. I think he's just so into his lie that he's kind of unstable and he believes it like schizophrenia like he could pass a lie detector test cuz he convinced himself cuz he convinced himself of his lie. He was so emotional in here. It was like why? That is schizophrenia, right? Maybe. But yeah, I would classify that as some kind of But there's there's noity. That's crazy. That's the thing is he just wants people to believe. So it's stolen medical. Yeah. And then um I ran a background check. I did like I just double checked everything and then I was
5:06 just like Yeah. And then I went on the website that he claimed he was a part of the hospital. They have the whole faculty. They have all the surgeons names. He's not on there. um a big red flag. He did go to college, but not the college that he went to. It was it was just like UCI or one of those. And then um I mean there everything is people don't know how easy it is to just it's everything's open source, right? And then um a funny thing is um on one of his pictures, I saw his lab coat and I was looking at it and then I was like, "Wait a minute." Um I went on the USC website and their lab coat uh embroidery is completely different. It doesn't have a Party C logo right there. Yeah, that was a big tell. After that, we kind of knew we had it. We weren't sure yet. They usually take off the cintas. I know. And it's usually made out of cotton, not plastic. You know what I
5:57 mean? No, but it was I I I was like this ████ went as far as to embroider his lab coat from somewhere else to to really live up that life. So like some people like I mean that's crazy man cuz what like I understand for him to do that to like be on here and be platformed and say something but when it's not JK where is he doing I think he's getting laid with it. I really genuinely think so. Like that do you think that's for the for the ladies? I think it's for whatever he wants in life. So it applies to all of it. He likes I think he likes playing that role because people go wow. Exactly. And then they Yeah. Well, I don't know if it's been getting laid, but like I think people go, "Wow." Like that's that's good for you. Yeah. But I think it it helps with all things, right? What does it hurt? Right. Like was he at least like cool looking where you would be like, "Oh, he looks like a I don't know what a doctor looks like cuz doctors look sometimes like total ████ show." I
6:47 mean, he was a fit square. Like he was just a he looked like a fit nerd like he got he was working out whatever. Uh, but I mean he was I don't know like he he had these grandiose like moments where he's like yeah I'm going to be the mayor of LA. And I like I believe you. He goes you're going to watch me. I'm going to make you proud. I'm going to be the mayor of LA. And then he showed me like all of his investments which by the way like you could put any number in. It's it's like you know when FDA like you just put in your own ledger making fake. So he goes look at look at my Tesla slot. I'm like wow you're a multi-millionaire. And then I'm like that's so crazy. And then so like I just I just remember like thinking damn like well I didn't feel unsafe. I just thought it was an interesting person, you know? Yeah. Weird. Like Yeah. He's just he's just nuts. It was bizarre, but I'm so glad that happened cuz it was just so interesting. Like genuinely just
7:37 such an interesting thing that happened. Yeah. Yeah. He's just I just think he really wanted to impress people and that was his that was his con. It was it was a harmless con. But how far you go to living this double life to pretend ████ At least he has a clear thesis about it. Like he's just trying to be doctors. You're not like those compulsive liars that just be saying random ████ But I actually think a lot of people like pretending to be doctors. I had an Uber driver the other day and um his pretend to be a doctor just driving Uber. He's a doc. He's a doctor Uber driver cuz his name was like doctor something. And then like as soon on the thing I was like that's funny. Like who who says doctor in their name like that they put in? Like he spelled it out doctor. Wow. Not Dr. like ████ doctor for the first name. So I was like that's ████ weird. Yeah. He was like Filipino or
8:27 something. What the ████ Maybe that was his parents wish so bad. Maybe that's his real first name. He's like look I am a doctor. Doctor. Yeah. And then I didn't really pay attention. I just thought that was funny. But like as soon as I got in the car and then as soon as he started asking me, "So what do you do?" I was like thinking I bet you this fool kind of wants to tell me what he does. Yeah. He's like fishing. Yeah. And then like, oh yeah, he goes, oh, must be good money, you know. Uh, I don't usually Uber. I'm a doctor. And I was like, oh, here it ████ it. You know, and I wasn't just in the mood to like press at that moment, but I was thinking so many people like don't want to be themselves. So, they create this like Yeah. I didn't think he was a fraud. I just think like Yeah. A lot of people I think doctor is one of the things they want to be. Yeah. I mean, it does come with such like esteem. You get mad points if you're a doctor. Nobody's ever
9:17 like embarrassed to say they're a doctor. But I'm like, bro, you just write prescription though. At the hospital, if you're a doctor, they'll suck you off, dude. They'll give you anything to ████ Yeah. The nurses love you. The texts love you. I guess it's like, what kind of doctor are you? But yeah, why don't they just go to school? Those brain w Yeah. Why? If you want it that bad, cuz I mean, how what is it like 4 years? Cuz it's not like you're like uh like royalty. You have to be born with the blood. It's something you can do. Yeah. That's like me saying I'm a plumber, but like I never learned how to plum ████ Go get your license if that's what you really want. I mean it's hard as ████ though, right? So like imagine like but you're already going through the process of acting like a doctor, which is probably way harder than actually going to medical school. Like living this lie.
10:09 Like dude, that's ████ up. And at the end you don't have anything to show for it. That's a bummer. You got a degree on your wall, baby. That's true. But apparently someone just printed it out. I'm just saying like if I had all the perks of being like a a sergeant, you know, in the military, but I just didn't have to risk my life or go to boot camp. But what's the perks of being a doctor if you're driving an Uber anyways? No. No. If you're getting like eat the discounts and like going to concerts, getting discounts. People just treat me better in life. I think that might be enough for a lot of those people. How How is he getting treated better? He's still driving an Uber. Well, I mean, for No, like like when people give them the reaction of, "Oh, wow. Wow." That's all people want. Or if all I got to do is just live this lie and and embroider my lab coat or my whatever and then if I get a haircut next to a Bart and Joe and then now I get to be on a YouTube show like like I won the jackpot kind of.
11:00 That's pretty crazy. That's back to back. You know what I mean? Like you're getting a random perk. If I go so far as to print out a diploma or a license or a degree, then I might as well also like go get my military ID faked and license plate random ████ and then go get like free parking and perks and discounts everywhere like I'm sold. Stop selling me. What What would make me feel that good? So like I would be down on person. I think it's like this. It's like let's say you want to meet Joe Rogan, right? But then like you're just a normal person. But if you said, "Hey, I'm like a Navy Seal that's like done like 50 tours or whatever." And he goes, "Oh, your story is interesting. Let's have lunch." Right? And then so it gets you access to people that feel like you're an interesting person that I want to rub
11:50 shoulders with. And then when you're at lunch with Joe Rogan, you're kind of like sensing that his attention is drifting. So you're like, "I killed an alien." He's like, "No way." Oh, you have my attention. There's this new drug. You want to do 3 hours tomorrow? It's definitely going to be people that really don't have anything else that they truly like about themselves. I feel like Yeah, that's fair. And it's sad. That's super tough cuz the people that I would want to rub shoulders with it, I would have to say, "So, uh, I'm a billionaire and see if they believe me." That's what billionaires would say, right? Oh, yeah. That's why I still drive a Toyota. Ironically though, my family, big fan of Toyota, the fake it till you make it scene, when it comes to things like finances, if you can fake it enough to rub shoulders with those people, then
12:40 you might be given opportunities to become that type of person. Y I know people like that. Nah, it sounds like ████ All right, fine. That's true. You know someone like that? Yeah, I knew a guy that doesn't know anything about like his the job that he wanted to go for and then he got the job and then he was asking me for help and I'm like what? Okay. So, I was like, so basically he he was underqualified for this job and I think it was like I don't know what the exact title was, but basically I'm I'm going to try to keep it pretty brief, but just watching him go through like the mistakes and everything. I'm like, "Oh, bro, you're like learning everything the hard way right now." And then after that, I just kind of like stepped away from him because it was it was just too much to like be a part of that I didn't want to I didn't want to
13:31 be like work with this guy at all. What kind of job was it? was just like social media like something really simple cuz you know a lot of people do that like people lie on their job resume or whatever they get in and then they learn it when they're in and I think that's pretty common but like sometimes there's certain jobs where you actually need like being an engineer like you can't ████ fake that ████ You might be able to. Who knows? But a social media manager Mhm. you could fake that. You must really ████ suck at life if you can't figure that out. Mhm. Dude, that's that just means you don't do work, period. Yeah, you don't even try. You're just stupid. Yeah, that that doctor, those videos, are they like unlisted on the channel still? I don't know. Kind of want to watch. I want to see what he looks like cuz I I wasn't here. I don't think it goes that far back. We had to
14:21 private just in general from that era a lot of videos because of how like I don't even remember back then. We couldn't say a lot of the same ████ I mean, we said a lot of the ████ that we can't today. we get flagged, right? But maybe now it's kind of gone back the other way. Maybe we could we could uno the idea of like seeing this guy and then knowing now that he's a compulsive liar about it. It's really interesting. Do you remember him? Have you seen him before? I've seen the thumbnail. It makes the videos pretty interesting, I bet, to rewatch. Honestly, the office is so much nicer now. Yeah, right. You're like, "Holy ████ dude. The office is really nice." That was my idea to make the office look better. I'm glad you did that. Thanks for putting it together. Credit to you. I've seen um for a long time. Um well, I've I've seen a guy that my friend employed that stolen Valor. I don't know why, but
15:13 he would say like he's a secret he was a part of like a secret department. You remember this guy? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you guys have talked about him before? Yeah. And then um he was like he's probably one of the biggest frauds actually I' ever met. I completely forgot about him. Yeah. I love all that. But he's like Delta Ops and ████ Yeah. But when I think of fraud, like I think there's the frauds that's like I just want people to believe I'm this person I'm not. But then there's like a full-on fraud that are like con artists and ████ like that. And that I've had family members get fooled by them and like those people are dangerous. Yeah. Magicians do that to everybody. Dude, magicians are the biggest frauds. Biggest fuds ever. That's what I'm saying. Savio. I know. Yeah. You're like, "I trusted you." And then you ████ pulled a pigeon out of your ass, right? Cuz that makes them untrustworthy now. I
16:04 thought I knew you and then you had a dove and it turned into two. That's what I love about Pen and Teller is they're like magicians are frauds. I love it. It's the best angle. So funny about that. It's so funny. They're whistleblowers. Yeah. Yeah. I have a family member who got frauded hard ████ court. So he uh had a friend for 20 years and this friend was uh claiming that they owned a chain of Subways and they were ████ like super successful all this stuff so he can run and manage a shop. And then somehow he got him and a couple of my other family members to get involved in uh a chain like um like kind of like this new Techmex idea and they're going to bring it to the West Coast. The chain of Subways was real though, right? or no, I don't know. Oh, so I I I have no idea. But um he some he
16:58 saw his numbers and the money that he was making. That's what gave him like, oh, okay. Like early on in their friendship and then they would golf and whatever, whatever. And then so basically they opened up this place in Irvine and um they they got it running and the city of Irvine was like, "Yo, you guys haven't ████ paid rent. We're coming after you." And he goes, "What are you talking about?" And so he looked into the account. And a guy, the partner was supposed to run everything, do that. He never played paid the employees. He didn't put his share in. He like a lot of ████ was like all gone. all ████ up and then find out that also he had the construction people on the on the take. So the construction people with him siphon money through all the whole stuff
17:49 too. Yeah. They kept saying we had to make repairs, whatever, whatever. So the investors had to come in, put money in, but they were just siphoning the money out. Oh yikes. Of doofy for sure. Yeah. And then my family members are like just they're just straight up people. Like when they do deals with people, it's just let's shake hands and then that's it. And that's how they that they it's cuz like their circle is like all good. So when you have a good circle, you don't think that someone that you've known for 20 years can do ████ like that to you, right? Yeah. It's not even being naive. You're just like being trustful or tr or you feel like they're trustworthy. And then they all Yeah. do business in like a high level. I think they don't really think about how severe someone can screw you. Yeah, that's true. Damn. That's like leaving your house in a nice neighborhood and not locking your door
18:39 because you trust your neighbors.
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