0:00 foreign [Music] welcome everybody to another episode of the careful boys we have with us on the hot seat today Mr Bobby hundreds oh wow wow big deal so the way that hot seat works is you get asked a variety of different questions that okay increasingly hotter in temperature okay but we like to start off with Bart giving the coldest possible question imaginable okay softballs yeah okay sure this one's not really a softball but um that you like to draw if you could use face paint to paint your wing or anything in any form or whatever animal insect what would you paint your wiener into why are we using face paint to do this is it because it's non-toxic why are we
0:50 calling it a wiener yeah a weenie okay that's better thank you we makes it sound a lot more girthier yeah bigger and would you choose when your wee-wee is sleeping or when it's working out oh I want him robust and ready for action okay then what would you paint on I just more surface area um what animal would I choose anything it could be a rocket it could be it could be an Incredible Hulk oh wow gosh you'd be surprised I've never thought about this before I am surprised not a real artist I I like hyenas because they have a sense of humor and they're funny but they're also like bone crushing Predators but they don't do well on their own which is kind of like your your wee-wee is what you're saying so I would like to be in the company of many
1:40 others if you want to do something if you want to do some damage you got to be in a pack yeah what do you call a pack of wee-wees you know there's like a murder of crows or like a flock of geese like what is it when it's a bunch of wieners a large package no that's only one that's only one sausage fest sausage sausage fast yeah that's full circle so you would paint it parmesan a hyena I don't think it would be recognized visible as a I don't think anyone would be able to tell do you think your wife would be like oh wow an armless legless hyena [Laughter] surprised by I think she'd be most shocked that I was painting my penis pain specifically probably be the most alarming like no this is adult face paint yeah so that he's checking the
2:30 door the whole time oh adult face paint you're right yeah every adult has that in their medicine cabinet okay so the next question we turn up a little bit oh that wasn't okay the next question is um before the hundreds had the stability or like the the the I guess position that it has in streetwear before it made its like solid Mark okay on your way up what was the brand that you're like ████ got him then I gotta get him I gotta knock them out yeah or I gotta be like I gotta if I could only be in their shoes oh if I could only be in their shoes I mean yeah it was probably a mix of both of those things when we were starting what were we really looking at I mean there weren't brands that we hated or wanted to take over but we were definitely inspired by a-life Supreme Vape extra large fresh dive and
3:20 um I don't know why I'm thinking about this but there was a moment uh probably about 10 years ago when like Huff was really coming up and they were dominating they had they had their weed socks and then they were doing these Thrasher collabs and everyone in terms of on the category level we were being on the same rack and shelf as that brand so a lot of people are comparing us and we couldn't compare to how half I mean Keith huffnagel was a rest in peace was like you know a veteran Escape order and had like a really great core community of people um but I always admired what they were doing 10 years every year it's a different brand and it's not necessarily I call them I think I've talked about this before these invisible Wars where I I pit myself against people whether they know it or not and it's not necessarily that I don't like them but it's also because for me a lot of my inspiration motivation comes from having to be competitive right and so sometimes it's
4:11 the Korean side of you I knew it I was like this man has not yet been proven to be Korean but this part invisible doors everyone's always like oh you're picking these fights and I'm like yeah they're not even really personal a lot of them are fabricated just to get me to be incentivized to like enter the fight right like I need to do that surfing we were talking about surfing surfing reminds me a lot of that too it's just you're constantly like running into waves you're going out and it's nonsensical the ocean's trying to spit you on into the sand and you keep jumping back in it's like hey they're telling you to like get Nature's like please don't come in here you're like no I want to fight I want to try I want to go up against this thing it's a very Korean thing but when did you get into surfing probably about eight nine years ago now yeah so later in my life what made you go ah we're starting a brand with our friends the marshals who are they kind of like run Malibu yeah and so
5:02 um trace and Chad at the time were like hey if we're gonna like work on this thing together you know we really want you you need to know how to surf and I was like I've always wanted to Surf I skate in a snowboard and but no one's ever taken me and they were like show up at Venice at 7 30 in the morning I was there and then I never looked back wow Venice is so hard to surf on it is so the thing is if you can surf in Venice you can surf anywhere oh that makes sense dude what if you didn't like surfing what did I what if you didn't like surfing and then you had to pretend like you do for the brand yeah the socks that would happen to me I just know it would I'd be like yeah it was great out there I like all these bruises that's so funny I never even entertained that possibility thank god it worked out we aren't involved in that brand anymore but in the beginning we were just helping them out it got it got too hooked hey was there some was there like coming up because oh God we all do this ████ right we're like you get
5:53 precious about your little thing yeah you know and if you're what little thing my little thing yeah you're no yeah your penis about your your art and your like yeah pretentious artist ████ yeah yes yes and then and like you had to you know lash out at things that didn't need to be lashed out at right maybe yeah what are we talking about I feel like we're talking about my deep seated me for psychology because we all do we all do stuff I remember coming up in the comedy world and be like that's hack that's hacked like did you see stuff in the in the fashion world or and go that tax ████ can't believe they're doing that ████ and then nowadays you would do that and you're like why was I so stupid oh yeah 100 yeah we were very early on uh when we're starting the brand I remember we were walking around with like this real street where OG I'm not gonna call him out by name and we were walking by the
6:44 LRG booth at the trade show and in those early days this is like very early 2000s LRG was King right they were bigger than Supreme they were like the biggest ones and Kanye was wearing them and you know they had all the rappers in their lookbooks and their catalogs and whatnot and we were walking by in the street where OG was just like I never want to be there and I was like yeah ████ that I never want to be their sellouts and they sell to department stores and you know they've got millions of dollars all their employees have benefits they were like Jonas and Robert were like driving around Lamborghinis Ben Baller right that was like the beginning of all of that and we were like we never want to be that and then you know you get to a certain point where like oh I have overhead I need to support employees I have a family now I you know I want to like be able to oh why are you so greedy yeah it's like kind of need to make money
7:34 because it's not selling out it's buying in right exactly it's buying it yeah no that's great no because uh yeah something that I've noticed about especially the fashion world like you were you mentioned earlier it changes so rapidly yeah you talked about Reinventing yourself every day is that really a thing or is that just something that people say like how do you actually no I really do feel like I'm having to reinvent myself constantly just because the nature of everything is moving so fast and especially because we're involved in the nft and crypto and Tech side that moves even faster where rules that were set up like goal posts that were set up today they move like literally hourly where it's like oh this is what you're supposed to do now everyone's like no that's what you don't do anymore then how do you ever find who you really are I think that's part of the skill you have to have a strong stomach for some of these businesses right because the appeal is that every day you know my wife always says like
8:24 every day you come home it's like your job is so Dynamic it's like you you know it's so exciting but also just so risky right you always have a different story to tell I'm like it is you know like when I'm but I have I have crazy ADHD and I cannot focus so it makes sense for me I can't I couldn't stick to the same task for 30 years I just it's just not in me to do that but you never was like oh if only I had like a a Peanut Farm why am I talking like that all of a sudden because you're troubled oh if only I had a peanut Farm it would be life would be so much it's like every day you gotta change and it's like I would love that yeah but what about cashew Farm that's what I'm saying is that some people think that they want this kind of life and they're like oh your life is so exciting and every day you're doing these different things I'm like it is exhausting yeah
9:15 right the addiction of having novel things constantly is such a ████ pain in the ass it is because I'm like why can't I just be stimulated with eating oatmeal every ████ day it should be enough it's just it's greed it really is greed and we is it green or is it stimulation Joe's trouble now it's like the problem is a disease of abundance right this is not a scarcity economy or a scarcity Society anymore where for Generations like our parents grandparents that's what they always knew so we had to save because we never knew when things were going to run out and you never had enough and so you really appreciated things you had one of things if you could even afford that but now we have like a real abundance problem not just with like material possessions but content entertainment right there's like anything you want you can order food and a whim like my kids use Postmates sometimes and they don't even know what
10:06 they're buying because everyone has just so much money like if you have means like if you have wealth right now you have way too much right more than you'll ever need and if you have clothes right now you have more clothes than you'll ever need which is something that I have to deal with daily is like I'm constantly supplying clothing or I'm like we have enough clothing on this planet to last for two and a half Generations we don't need more product you don't you don't need that fast you probably I needed it when you posted it on your Instagram I convinced you because all of that you needed it is because like damn dude but I think that's like the real like we have a real disease of abundance it's not just like too much food or it's not just too much it's like too much of everything just too many movies too many choices too many choices so like now we don't choose too much news it's too many pundits too many opinions and it's like well who are we I don't know you know it's just it's good so what excites you these days what excites you how do you get up out of bed
10:56 I mean look this is a dark world you just described I just it is it is dark I think it's dark but I don't I actually think the world is better now in many ways than it was many years ago there's a really really great book called fatfulness by Hans roslinger who died in the process of writing he was like very old but even does it just stop at one point it literally does it doesn't really that's because family comes in and finishes the book and they're like look he because he knew he was dying in the Miss event he's like this is my parting message with the world that you're actually much better off than you realize you know the media and the social media is like telling you a certain way but I mean just think about like well we've been able to cure in terms of like infant mortality rates right and like Global medication we've been able to save there's so much less disease now and people aren't having to have like 10 and kids in like third world countries in order for one to survive like they can have one or two children they can get them education now
11:47 in medicine like and we got rid of abortion the progress yeah and so like I didn't hear what that was maybe it's better I didn't hear yeah it was way better yeah continue just agree with it he was with it I pretended like I didn't hear it okay so but yeah I think anyways we can go down I'm I think I'm actually really inspired by most people like I just think this is like a really great time to be alive like people are pursuing things that they were told for Generations they can't do and now you're seeing them having these breakthrough moments where they can try anything they want and make like somewhat of a living a lot of people are like surviving doing that that's great I think that's really really great news like Asian being Asian Americans seeing representation like did you ever think that it would be cool to be Asian and now it's cool on many
12:38 levels in terms of like pop music and film and TV and everyone's watching squid game that sounds really boring I'm asking another question okay okay sorry yeah it wasn't bad enough so that's your opinion that's not everyone's opinion yeah you're it's it is my opinion dude I'm gonna punch this guy in in all the years you've done business what was the the single hardest thing that has ever happened to you nfcs oh for real why because you lost a lot of money it was the heart and it continues to be the hardest instrument uh you did your own project You Lose Yourself um I understand about nfts is if you're setting it up the honest way right as honest as it can get you're actually building a project that uh you're trying to involve the community right and you don't build the rug into it right yeah well you have to start at that rug yeah
13:31 you're essentially like raising money for a company and then you raise the money and you leave the company which is when a lot of people are building nfts that's how they think of it they're like oh I'm creating a project of these Collectibles or I'm selling art and then I meant it people buy it and then I'm done but that's you're departing from the company that you're exiting which is not fair because those people are like oh I bought it and I want you to do something with this yeah yeah yeah I didn't know that most people didn't know that this time of year ago they were looking at nfts almost like Collectibles like that's just it and then board Apes came around and people were like oh you can actually build a utility and meaning into these Collectibles and so to put out a project we did 25 000 nfts they sold out in 40 minutes the real work began and then we worked on those for like eight months I thought my job was done and then the work really began the next day when people were like okay now what are you doing yeah where's the
14:22 roadmap right and it's a different relationship than a brand to Consumer consumers are essentially fans where they're just like really happy just to be a partner they're like shareholders these people are shareholders and partners and they feel like they're owners not everyone but it's there's like this conflation because I was coming into thinking of Morris Collectibles and we're here for the art and that's like the approach we're bringing in it with but a lot of these people are Traders day Traders flippers who are like no no we're investors and that's the murky gray territory of nfts that makes it Dynamic and fun but it also confuses a lot of people because you see a lot of projects fall apart because they're not equipped to be able to provide anything thankfully we were right because we're an actual company that we're like no we're going to be doing a lot of things for you forever but it's hard because we've never had to share the company before the brand or the decisions that's what web theory is
15:13 about it's decentralize realizing it's not just you supporting a company anymore it's like you actually have say in like a vote democracy sucks what happens right and so right like this gets into like political issues as well it's like do you want democracies or liberal illiberal democracies where you're getting letting do you really want everyone to vote right so it's like do you want that because now you're getting into territory where you're getting certain people involved in the government that you probably don't want so but isn't this more akin to like you know you you have people who have who have a stake in it right they actually bought into it so it's almost like shareholders voting yeah so then if you look at the positive way which we do is that these people are actually there to help you right they're not there to decry or to say that you guys are rugging and they're actually like no we're here to help and so instead of looking at it like it's baggage you can look at it like now you have thousands of Partners who are like I'll do
16:03 anything to help spread the word so your brand now moves like exponentially faster which it does now right and so there's two ways of looking at it most if you look at the negative way you're saddled with like complainers and you're doing customer service and trying to appease people or you can look at the way that we do which is oh these people are comrades right like they're here to all see us win this you know and we can move so much faster in different territories we never had access to before so they're all doing marketing they're all selling and they're all preaching it there's like me and now there's thousands of other me's who are in their neighborhoods and communities telling people about like the hundreds you don't have to work so hard and I shouldn't have to work so hard I can attack a lot of niches that way right so like there's a lot of community involvement in these niches where they have governance votes and now they actually have a reason to support your burgeoning ecosystem it's not just some ████ thing like we all go vote and
16:53 then we all get disappointed right yeah right yeah this actually your vote can actually matter in the long run you can directly influence the the future of the project what do you think about the nft market right now though like like you know I don't know what you would argue how much of them is a scam like would you say I'd say a lot of them are scam but it and it also goes into like what is a scam am right and I don't mean to get super existential and deep and philosophical about it but like what is a scam I was just talking about vebellum Goods like all luxury goods are in a way a scam like you don't need a Chanel purse like a regular purse is fine like that's but she's not happy for like at least three months so you have to get it so that's true because is it a scam what is a scam like how do you define that if someone is just hopeful they have no experience and then they they manage to convince everybody like yo give me this money I have this great idea I don't
17:44 have any experience but believe in me and then they get the money and they fail is that a scam or you just invested into someone that I think Case by case I think that's a person by person because I see the nft crypto space kind of like that right you got you have a bunch of guys that you know they're like yo I'm really trying to make this happen yeah not all of them work out some of them are outright scans where they're like hey let's do this hustle there are a lot of those were they predetermined right but then not all failures are scams either right so it's it's a it's a real gray area and I think when all when there's something new anytime there's an emerging like industry or whatever it just happens this way or even even in business right like they say 90 of business fail within five years yeah so were those scams none of them are meant to be scams they're trying to make it and in the next five it's 50 well isn't the underlying Tech event I mean it
18:34 wasn't this for me anyway for nfts just talks her up a little bit of energy like the what we just went was almost like the 90s tech stocks bubble like the pest.com and all that kind of ████ yeah so like a lot of failure but maybe well-intentioned failure right but then the underlying Tech like the stuff behind entities it's very real very real right yeah so that part of it the blockchain technology is very real and then for most people who know anything about tech and that's why there's so much investment going into blockchain technology we all are gonna have to we're gonna be paying receipts and they'll be on the blockchain and you know there will be instead of there's companies right now that I know they're like you pull up to a parking meter and you can pay it through your car instead of having to get out and doing the thing and that's all recorded on blockchain so we're gonna need all that type of tech the way that it's being marketed and packaged right now as like the pets.com
19:24 sort of the whatever it looks silly but that's the part of any burgeoning industry is like you're going to have these capitalists and opportunities coming in trying to make money doing it and then they're gonna fail and then you're gonna be like well what did we actually build with the tech in the meantime what's your take on the metaverse I think most of what the narrative like the mediated metaverse like what you hear about is complete ████ like that part of metaverse is just a repackaging a rebranding a VR AR and video games right and uh it's all fragmented too it's there's no one metaverse right and so like a real true metaverse which we'll see if it ever happens if anything it'll take five to six to ten years is an interoperable metaverse so the skin you buy in fortnite you can use in valorant and then you can bring it into Facebook and like it should work like that and but you're a lawyer imagine that I know
20:14 that's the nightmares getting Activision and Riot and all the game companies to work together so why would they this is insane why would they do a masculine question about the meta verse then let's say you're in the metaverse and your wife pisses you off in the metaverse can you soccer on the metaverse I would uh soccer avatars yeah I don't I would not I would probably not do that why you'd hire someone else what you would even beat up your wife in Mortal Kombat I cannot beat up my wife this is thing my wife is so much stronger than I am like she's like a very she works out constantly in real life but in the meta version I think even in the metaverse she would really put me in this stats would just be way too high yes yes yeah she's very strong sounds like a button Master to me so for um you and and Ben have been Partners how many years now 19 years so uh yeah that as impressive as that is that you guys have never had a
21:04 falling out period oh no no no there's always falling out of course there's always arguments and fights so I I don't trust people who are in relationships and they're like oh we never fight I'm like oh you're gonna break up and it's gonna be disaster how do you know someone without fighting have you ever had like a close friend you have to fight to get to know someone yeah like you need to see that side of him since all depths and nuances of who people are it's like the nasty dark insecure Parts this scared parts of fearful parts and then like The Confident versions of themselves like you need to know all that ████ has that ever happened where one of you were like I'm out of here yes multiple times oh ████ it's always me yeah I'm like because I'm like uh I was always like a Runway as a kid I ran away so many times like because that's just my nature anytime there's something difficult happens I want to run yeah and I'm just like ████ this I'm out I like doing the really ceremonious like I'm
21:56 out of here so it's like I'm gonna show you but it always like backfires on me it's like the Jerry Maguire like I'm out of here and then everyone just returns back to work like no one really misses you or care so the office does really well everyone does better actually without me they all get raises I know that but um yeah there have been many moments where I've just been like I didn't know how to deal with this and I'm out and it's just you know like 40 minutes later I'm like I'm sorry you know like I don't really mean that's crazy because I can't be me without Ben and Ben can't do what he does without me we are very much aware of that but of course we're like we're brothers we're family we're just you never felt one day ████ this I could do this all my own I think every entrepreneur thinks that like always right and I think um you know that's just like a very natural feeling of like I don't need anyone I can do on my own I know I can do it on my own do I want to do it on my own oh no will I be able to do it as
22:47 well on my own definitely not like there are things that Ben does that I never know how I will never know how to do I don't have the talents and I don't want to do it you don't ever like want to just slightly like cheat on Ben though like you see like another guy and they're like damn this guy's better at Ben than Ben is I want to start I've never met anyone who's better at being Ben than I really have never what does what's been good at I think well first of all he's number one he's good at dealing with me because I'm like a very messy person so he's like the most patient with me right and then I think I can say the same for him everyone I write about this in the book where his friends at first were just like ah how do you deal with him every day I'm like I don't know I usually have a pretty short patience for a lot of friends I'm like not the chillest person but for him like I just I love him you know we just have so much respect for each other so that's something I talk about a lot too with like relationships is it's like do you have it comes down to respect and
23:37 like I never lose respect for the guy I trust him and I believe in him and so like it'll be fine regardless of what we go through you know but I've never met anyone else who I've been like you know I've ever seen that in no no never wanted to cheat but that's a really interesting I've seen Ben hang out with like the Supreme guys a lot lately yeah oh you Hood popping bro yeah Ben's always had like in and out with them and I'm like what are you guys doing over here he goes oh don't tell Bobby you saw me here so she says what do you tell your kids about because we were talking about the dark future all that stuff yeah how do you prepare them for a potential dark future I think I'm we're very honest in our house uh talking about all this stuff we talk to them just like they're regular folks our age and I I think some people they think it's a little too extreme they're like
24:27 oh do you have to talk I'm like yeah I just you know how old are they they're now they're 13 and 10 but we've been ever since they're kids old enough anything that was on the news was fair play right and like controversial or embattled topics like transgenderism for example or just like presidential races like these are all things that we openly discuss because I'm I'm never clear or adamant about I have the answers or the truth I think all that stuff is malleable and like not fixed right so it's just like let's talk about it let's figure out I don't know Dad why is it like this or why did they say that or how can it be this way and I'm like I don't know either let's try to you you might teach me more than I might teach you on that subject I don't know so we're very transparent about it and I also need I try as much to balance like when there's a lot of dark stuff in the news school shootings right like also
25:17 just talking about well what was war like in past Generations right and this is we don't have as many of those types of Wars this is a different kind of War we're embroiled in but the wars my parents grew up in during the Korean War like you know previous situations with like Japan Japanese imperialism and like rape and torture like we don't have that and thank God we don't have that you know but this is a different kind of Ward A different kind of context now that we're trying to navigate and I'm like you're going to war every single day just like my parents did just like their Generations before did it's a different kind of War some of it's psychological and digital Warfare like you know people hacking in yesterday I think this week LAUSD uh my kid's school uh District got hacked by Russia or something I didn't know who hacked it but everything was offline for the day they had to reset their passwords it's huge disruption whoa right and I'm like that's Warfare right I don't know if
26:08 it's coming internationally or if it's domestic but it's some type of terrorism that you guys went off the grid and now we lost a day of Education like that affects us As Americans it affects us as Citizens so that's something my grandparents never had to deal with yeah you know but like that ████ sucks that you had to do that so we talk about we try to be as relevant as objective as possible when we're talking about like oh every day like people are dying of guns in this country and it's like it's a horrible tragedy and like we got to figure out ways to amend that but it's also like let's be real it's not like the world is ending you know like it's not like it's not dismal like we can fix these things we we're here to fix the things that's you know and we refuse it with hope what's that you infuse it with hope I tried just like practical realism you know I think that it's important to just be real I'm not trying to be sugarcoat anything I'm like yeah that's
27:00 like terrible that that happened and we watch the news together we'll watch certain clips of you know families morning lost ones and I'm like God thank God that that didn't happen to our family you know thank God we don't have that here and like let's be grateful that we have this every single day you know so like we're very realistic about things but just let's understand what else is happening outside of this media Spotlight or what everyone's talking about there's also things happening in the shadows right and so just trying to make them as aware as possible of everything going on instead of just what these people are talking about all the time I think that's important damn that's a lot of work being a paradigm I'm afraid to be a father I'm just already figuring out my Escape Plan it's great kids are amazing I think people these days they treat the kids like they're really fragile no I can't wait to abuse them only like kids this
27:51 was like the first generation the last couple generations to treat children this way before like in the early 1900s kids worked on the farms you yeah you bred Kids To Work hell yeah and so it's like as soon as you can stand up like get to work and you're tough and you're resilient and like death is a part of life and like we're gonna all go through this together and now it's just like it's like we treat them like they're these like flowers and that's they're not they're amazing like and they're so bright I'm sure I I remember being a young person always being like why do why are your parents talking to me like this I understand what they're saying they're really brilliant creatures and so it's like they're actually fine on their own like my grandfather my great-grandfather immigrated from Korea to Japan by foot Barefoot six years old eating out of the garbage cans like eating trash it was a very common story there's a book in a film called Pachinko that kind of tells a lot of this this migration from like area to Japan but
28:42 it's like they were fine you know and like they figured it out like kids are fine you know one of the food back then was all organic they didn't have gluten better trash quality what I hate about me is that I just logged that away in my brain to call your grandpa a trash eater later [Laughter] yeah but your dad eats trash [Music]
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