0:00 Cuz even jeans, remember? It's like that was work wear, >> bro. My mom was 60s something when she bought her first pair of jeans. >> That's dope. >> And she was going to use it to work on the house >> cuz you know back then it's like um you're a rebel. If you have a jeans and like like leather jacket >> Yeah. If you're wearing it not to work, you're a rebel. >> She was just so proud of it. She goes, "Look, mom has jeans now." I'm like, "So?" She goes, "Yeah, but I'm I'm kind of living on the edge." >> It's like her getting a tattoo. Welcome back to another episode of Careful Boys. Today we're going to examine uh something that you brought up actually and I thought about it and then I started seeing videos about it everywhere, but why is it that society as a whole doesn't dress nice anymore? Oh, that's so true. There's a lot of different answers to this, but like it's
0:50 a pretty like when you look back in time, right? And um you you look at like a photo of like a crowd on the street and everybody's dressed like really well. You got like guys in like vest, suit, coat, hat. Uh all the women are like in really proper attire, dresses, and everything. You wouldn't see the equivalent of like a guy in like a wife beater shorts like anywhere in old photos really like that. And then I think it'd been said that some people's argument was that, oh, that's because back in the day photos were so rare that when people knew their picture could be taken, they had to dress nice. >> ████ Cuz they took a picture of entire city, [laughter] dude. >> Hey, there's you could see this on YouTube where I thought it was like um like a set because it looked so perfect, but it was just everyday life. like there's just footage of like 1950s Los
1:41 Angeles or like uh 1930s or New York or whatever, right? And then um people would just roll their camera and then they would just be like in a car like rolling down the street and you see people walking down and everyone's looking at the camera cuz they're curious about it, but they're all in suits. There's no trash on the floor. And I was like, "Dude, this reminds me of like Japan." >> I've witnessed it. So, my grandpa was like from that era and uh my grandpa when he went to go work out, he wore like a polo shirt and like uh khaki shorts tucked in. That's considered like sports. >> What a dork. >> You should beat him up, dude. >> Like that's considered like sports wear, right? And um like t-shirt shaped cuts. That's like if he was going to like pull weeds out of the garden. Like that was
2:31 work clothes. And anytime he left the house, it was dress shirt and slacks. >> That's what he always looked like. And um yeah, cuz like you know, Lacost is technically like tennis clothes, >> right? Like the polo shirt, whatever. >> But now it's like people wear bass to dress up and it's Yeah, it's crazy how like everyone like dressed. Even like uh like one of the things that that were people were pointing out is like look at the photos of your parents arriving from the airport and they you know like suits >> photos. Yeah. Full suit like true. >> And then even candid photos like from back then like random ass candids like there's always like a nice like pose with the nice like clothes and one of my favorite authors his name is Jason Pargin. had a whole like piece about this and he came to the uh conclusion that as the more society leaned towards
3:23 not shaming each other and treating everybody equally with respect regardless of whether or not they deserve it, you no longer had the stigma of people wanting to dress nice out of the fear of being shamed. And and then his his point is that back then people cared so much about how they were talked about or judged or whatever >> that that became a norm in society to like be presentable at all times or your best otherwise you get treated worse. >> Does he view it as a as a good evolution or as a bad evolution or just kind of matter of fact that's just what happened? >> I think I think that's up to the individual communities. But um but then his point was made a lot of sense because it was like we don't shame each other for anything anymore really at least not openly but back then like he was saying that if you showed up to a place and you weren't dressed properly you didn't get the same treatment as
4:13 everybody you you got talked down on and uh people would talk about you later as like being someone uncou or like beneath the standard. I remember there were dress codes like growing up if you didn't have shoes on or if you didn't have like a collared shirt or like certain places you couldn't go inside the restaurant. The clubs were like that. Like it's not like that anymore. But I remember like we all grew up with dress code enforced and it wasn't I mean the clubs were the gang reason, right? But outside of that they're like oh you're not dressed for the part. You can't come in now. You could come in like this with hoodies. It doesn't matter >> because I think fashion changed. No shirt, no shoes, no service. That was like a thing. >> Yeah. >> But even if you're not dressed well, so like you could have a shirt on and everything, but if you're not wearing a suit or something, like I remember my dad had nothing but suits and I begged him to wear like a t-shirt.
5:04 >> And then this ████ came with a Grand Canyon tourist t-shirt tucked into his slacks. He still had shiny ass suit shoes and a ████ he had a hat that looked like you know like Niagara Falls or some ████ like cuz all of his ████ was tourist like where >> you begging your dad to not wear suits. really funny. [laughter] >> And I was like, man, you doing it wrong, dude. >> Cuz when you see all your friends like dressed like skaters and then like and then their parents come in looking like they look like people on TV, like modern. Like their moms had like the big oversized t-shirts with the ████ um biker shorts. >> Yeah. >> And they look cool, right? Their dads look like they were like kid and play or like big flat tops with the ████ thing. And I was like, man, how come my parents don't look hip-hop? Dad, get a flat top. [laughter]
5:54 >> Dude, I would have loved it if my dad had a flat top and like >> get some waves, Dad. >> God, cuz they looked way older than their age. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. >> But I think that was like my thing. I thought everyone else was lame that dressed like that growing up. And then I'm I was like, I can't wait till like there's no more dress codes. But remember like the norms of like when you watch old movies or old shows or like Pey Blinds or anything like that, remember the the the strict uh norm of having a hat as a man, >> right? >> Ain't that interesting? >> Like the minute you step outside, you're supposed to put a hat on, >> right? >> And then like when you go indoors, you go like or when you greet women. >> Greet women. Yeah. So I just think America in general went really downhill because they used to have the same rules where like Japan kept it, Europe kept it because Hannah was like Americans dress
6:44 so ████ s█████ but the shame of it isn't here so she gets to relax more. >> That's true. Absolutely. Yeah. >> I'm dressing slot. Like I would have never went out like this. >> Yeah. But she was like out in England like her own friend would be like you're not ████ going to the market looking like that. >> Yeah. I feel like that's the same. Me and Smack noticed that Vegas is like that too where like you could go to a nice restaurant in shorts and a shirt here whereas in LA they would be like >> sir what are you trying to >> I think that I think that's I think that be came from the hotel culture. >> Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Before I remember getting turned away from steakous from like wearing a tank top >> like like you have to have a jacket or a blazer >> and then I think they started realizing wait if people are just going to go to the pool and straight to the buffet or
7:34 whatever like it became super lax and then now I think the rest of the city adopts it >> and it's like weatherwise too. It's like if it's blazing hot. >> Yeah. Imagine wearing a big old three. And the the other I think movement that probably made it worse I think is the whole like fitness athleisure cuz before you know you would like you would go you would change to go work out and then you would get out of your workout clothes but then now workout clothes are so comfortable like Lululemon whatever Aloe like all those brands people just wear them to be now like people like girls wear yoga pants just to be Yeah. just for life and then so I think that has a a huge like people in people wear basketball shorts just not to play basketball but just to be like >> that's true >> it's like everyone is just wearing workout clothes that makes it even worse too. you think there's any chance of like well cuz like you know when you
8:25 name when you reference Japan or something like that it almost seems like stuff like this is only achievable in places where it's like monorial where it's like you know like cuz Japan's been so good at like keeping their culture life because they're so Japanese >> whereas if you had a place with tons of diversity how do you get everyone the same page anyway? I think Europe is still like this cuz like they don't wear athleisure like us on a regular. Like it's still it's still weird like hey are you going to the gym? But you don't see it like how Americans like you could tell like the guys on the at the airport that are Americans like we're all wearing like athleisure 247 and for them if they're not athletic or they're not like a chav or like a guy like a Russian gangster. >> They're not wearing a tracksuit, you know? They're that's like >> it's like what are you doing? Like they have slacks on. They have regular
9:15 clothes on >> like adult men, right? >> Yeah. They look I actually think my theory is the more west you go or the more south you go in America the more uglier your style is because like the weather and then you're not in I noticed in pedestrian culture >> like looking good in fashion is always on point because like >> and then if you have seasons >> cuz then the weather forces you to like and then you're you're in public so you're like oh ████ you're self-conscious right but in the West Coast, especially Hawaii, the more west you go, it's like too ████ hot. I don't know how people used to dress in like a suit. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Cuz even jeans, remember? It's like that was work wear. >> Yeah. That was work wear. Yeah. >> Have if you if you like teleported back in time and you're like, "Hey, jeans are
10:05 going to be a nice thing. There's jeans that'll cost like $200 $300 or whatever." They probably blow their brains. They're like, "What the hell?" That's >> Bro, my mom was 60s something when she bought her first pair of jeans and she thought she was badass. >> That's dope. >> And she was going to use it to work on the house. [laughter] >> It was It was like some joggers with a ████ bow on the ████ ankle. [laughter] >> That's kind of tight >> cuz you know back then it's like um you're a rebel if you have a jeans and like like leather jacket. You're like ████ what is that? Grease and ████ Like >> Yeah. If you're wearing it not to work, you're a rebel. Yeah. Smoking, right? Like women wearing pants and jeans. So like in at She was just so proud of it. She goes, "Look, mom has jeans now." I'm like, "So?" >> And she goes, "Yeah, but I'm I'm kind of living on the edge." >> Yeah, I think that's I think you're
10:55 right. It's like her getting a tattoo. >> Yeah. Literally, that's her tattoo. I was laughing. I was like, "Damn, that's so funny, dude." >> Yeah, it is true. Because in the 40s and 50s, I think you can even see the line when like jeans began to be advertised as like, hey, it's okay now to wear it. It's all right. It's not a low class thing anymore. >> But you you think it would ever get to that point where everyone's wearing suits now or is just we're like, ████ >> I don't think it'll I don't think it'll get that way again in America. I don't think so. Not in not in America because America runs on the diversity whole thing. like it before before like everyone started doing their own thing in their own like places but now I think like maybe different communities will have that or like different um I guess different burrows or different cultures but then as a whole no we're not that's >> I also think we value convenience so much culture >> like yeah in the Amazon culture of
11:46 things yeah people just want fast now easy efficient so it's hard to see it going back >> and and naturally everything is counterculture in America like everything cycles so like Let's say that it did for a day become really cool to dress up. The next thing to do is not always like what whatever becomes cool, the next thing to do is not that. It's like it's cycle that never ends. So like um Hannah has a pretty cool point of view of like how the differences are cuz she's like Americans never wear clothes that fit and they dress like ████ but their hygiene's always on point. She thinks that's how Americans present well. Oh, hygiene over style. >> Well, we have no our style is llban or like we we don't we really compared to Europeans, it's outdated or just ugly.
12:36 It's like Kirkland clothes or like or it's like oversized ████ or goddy. Like it's just bad, right? Never fitted or like you know like it's not it's never we never dress well. But she's like you guys are clean. So then that's how you present yourself well. So in in the UK, >> you're groomed, you're cleaned, like you smell fresh, your clothes smell good, right? So she's like, "Europeans, they smell like ████ They don't always shower. They look scruffy. They look dirty, >> but their ████ outfit is immaculate." And then so I was like, "What's the difference?" And she goes like, "Okay." So she's like, "Working class Europeans, right? Like they dress to the nines, but then big city ones are like, "You're trying too hard." So like for them it's like you want to look like you're not trying. So you're like you're classy but it's cuz you put no effort into your
13:27 fashion. >> Anytime I think of Europeans though I just think of tech suits and tracksuits. That's it. >> You're thinking of the Chavs and ████ [laughter] >> Well like the common person. The common European version. You would just randomly see >> sweatuits for sure. >> I feel like they're always in like a like a two-piece. >> They got that figured out. >> Sweatuits. That's what I'm going to start wearing. That's going to be my ████ version of this. It just looks like Glendale to me. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> I still do see a lot of guys wearing suits though, like in in UK, >> which I thought was pretty cool cuz like >> the whole aesthetic of everything. >> I don't really see people in suits anymore in America. >> Nah, that would you'd look like you you're you're being weird. >> But in the '9s though, if you went to any downtown >> Yeah. >> there's hella people wearing suits. >> Yeah, >> that makes sense. Especially if they're like coming from work or something. Yeah,
14:17 >> I do romanticize about living like that and I've tried. Sounds awful. >> Wear a suit every day. Well, not not like not like a suit every day, but you know how there's a suit version of things, right? So, like for example, you watch like Oceans 11 when they're going night nighttime, there's the suit version of it. Then there's the when they're meeting in the warehouse, roll out the blueprints, roll up the sleeves, they're not in a t-shirt, they're in their suit version of that. So George Clooney and Brad Pitt have their blue collar version and it still looks fresh. It's just or even when the the guy that's sleeping in the bed the whole time he has a ████ ascot on and like silk pajamas, silk smoke. He has a suit version of pajamas, right? >> The whole spectrum there's a suit version of it and I'm like, "Oh man, I want to live that lifestyle." >> And then I think about just the laundry
15:08 and the dry cleaning and all that. I'm like >> the dry clean. >> ████ It definitely is impractical. Or the ironing you'll have to do. >> But I would love I would love to be like the linen pants type of guy like, "Oh, you know what? I'm just going to take a stroll in the park, have some linen pants and a linen dress shirt. >> You're going to need a commercial grade steamer at your house." [laughter] >> Yeah. Like I and I put on my fedora, you know, and then like I would love to. >> Dude, if you wear a fedora around us, we're going to beat your ████ ass. >> Or I'm like I just go or I could just wear a wife beater and walk my dog. >> See, that's sick. >> That's some caros. >> But I do romanticize and I think it's ████ cool to be like it'd be cool if my life was Oceans 11, like that world, but it's so hard to do. >> It's Yeah, it's incompatible with modern. >> It's not practical. No ████ way, dude. >> But people I do see people do it though. >> There are people that live it and I'm like, man, >> yeah, they're just ironing all day.
15:58 >> They're getting wedgies after after they get [laughter] >> their underwear's all stretched out from >> Yeah. You know how many pants they ████ rip? Probably, dude. Get out of here. Anthony probably lives that lifestyle. Anthony does live that life. >> He looks like he has fresh ████ pajamas. >> He's always ironing though.
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