0:00 You have one MRE per day. So, you would have to break it up and eat a little bit for breakfast, a little bit for lunch, a little bit for dinner. >> Can you eat other people's? >> No, they're going to kill you. They're going to whoop your ass. >> Welcome back to another episode of Careful Boys. We were um not filming a second ago and then we started asking Bart a bunch of military questions and the answers just seemed too interesting to not film. So, we are going to talk about uh which era of boot camp for the military do you believe was the hardest? >> Yeah, we just saw Subie's message from his boot camp that he's about to start. >> So, yeah, I don't know accurately cuz obviously I didn't go to all the other boot camps, [snorts] but I think if I had to guess, I think um the '9s boot camp or 80s is probably the hardest. And
0:50 the reason why I say that is um obviously like from war stories, you know that the earlier you go, the harder it was like >> in the war. >> Yeah. Like if you go to Korean War, Gortex wasn't ████ in invented. So they're sleeping in the cold in a ████ canvas sleeping bag. >> Oh my gosh, that's not cool. >> They just don't have technology, right? Like so you can I'm like they did the same things, the same missions, the same training, but we have ████ like Dr. Scholes boots and ████ like we got crazy technology now for them. They're doing the same things but in their stuff. So you would think that's harder. >> Yeah. >> But I think that's also when they just started to write the their manual. So when you watch stuff like Full Metal Jacket, there's only one drill instructor per platoon. >> So it's like it's I think that was the structure of it. Then eventually they started doing two drill instructors,
1:40 three drill instructors. So now you have people getting smoked at twice the rate. And I think you start to develop creativity. So now like people can make people like ████ around like crazy and really make their life a living hell. And uh the one clear objective thing that I know is when I went to boot camp, at least Marine Corps boot camp, there's this thing called the Crucible. And the Crucible is this 3-day like culminating event. You go 50s something plus miles on foot and you have to do I forgot like 10 or 15 obstacle courses through that whole thing. And um each night you only sleep 2 to four hours. And when I went, you have one M per day. So you would have to break it up and eat a little bit for breakfast, a little bit for lunch, a little bit for dinner. >> Can you eat other people's? >> No, they're going to kill you. They're going to whoop your ass.
2:30 >> So [laughter] yeah, everyone has uh everyone has one M per day. >> Finish that. >> My but my And then I found out later on, maybe like 10 years later, they had nine MREs to do the Crucible. >> Nine. Oh, they had one per one per meal like a regular person. >> Whoa. >> And when I talked to my sergeant when I first got to my unit, he told me he had one arm one M for all three days. So I knew for sure objectively his boot camp was harder than mine. >> He was around in the '9s when he did boot camp >> around in the '9s. So I know for sure they had and I just think during that time it was probably harder. And then they have the creativity to ████ around and play all these crazy ass games. There's no rules in human rights. >> It's rules. Yeah. Yeah. And then uh cuz that's when they invented the what I was telling you off camera where they would run up to you with their uh closed fist
3:20 and go stop hitting my fist with their face and they'd go like this over and over and technically they're not socking you because they're not cocking back. So they'll just run a 100 miles straight into your face. Um, and I think by the time it's like 2010 and plus is when they [laughter] had like this whole thing called like mothers of America where they stepped in like oh there's like people >> were dying in boot camp >> or dying or PTSD or that kind of stuff. >> So it was a a specific event in time. My face is up there. >> Oh my bad. It was a specific event in time that caused them to want to change the military for boot camp. Like what what was the what was the motivating factor for them to be like hey we need to go easier on these guys? I think there's just too many people complaining cuz then I also heard like maybe 10 years after I came out of uh boot camp that some branches had like a stress card. So everyone gets gets handed a stress card at the beginning of boot camp and anytime it's too crazy you can
4:12 kind of like pull it out and be like time out. I need some time to myself >> and I was like what the ████ There's no ████ time out dude that's crazy. >> Use it wisely dude. >> It's cool. You do [laughter] you do you think it's better to be really stressed out and then do the you know what I mean and PTSD before you do the war or like treat them well and give them like you know what I mean like treat them well but also give them the tools for to prep to be a >> I'm pro this >> and what if they're soul damaged that like they go to war now they're like ████ PTSD before the PTSD >> maybe what I think maybe pre boot camp there needs to be which they're doing now with what Sububen said there's like a pre-workup phase. Uh, but also I I'm I mean that this might be like ████ controversial, but I think a little bit of PTSD is good. >> I actually [laughter] think
5:02 >> I actually think people that that pull the card should fail. >> Yeah. What the ████ >> Like why are they Why are they being allowed to finish? >> You just got a desk job. >> Yeah. Cuz you got to think about what the mission is, right? If your mission is to be able to go to war and protect the country. >> Yeah. >> And if it stresses you out, then maybe this job isn't for you. And you can't have a teammate that pulls the card, >> bro. Cuz you you'll always like not trust them. >> Yeah. I was like, is this guy going to pull the card when the people try to shoot me? >> Have you ever met any military vets that feel opposite of you in that way? >> No, I've never >> I've never either. I've never even seen any anybody from the military be like, "Oh, they're making it too hard." >> When I talk to people like in the military, everyone they keep it 100 and they just go, "Marine Corps boot camp look too hard. That's why I joined the Air Force." So there's other there's like different there's different tiers you could do
5:53 that to match what you want to do. And then there's people that were like, "Oh, I did the Army and that was too easy." So that's why I end up trying for Navy Seals. >> Like you know the there's a scale goes up and down. >> Damn, dude. >> Cuz like the number one uh recruitment from an army from a previous branch is actually the Marine Corps. >> They're like, "This is ████ way too hard. I'm going to I still want to be in the uh military and serve." So they end up going to the Army and they go do that route. So you can go up and down if you need to. The crazy thing is when I remember Don was saying something about how like when he did boot camp he was like that's the hardest thing I've ever done in my life and then he did the special forces boot camp and he was like that made the first one seem easy. [laughter] >> That's crazy. >> That was my question where like boot camp felt insanely hard for me, right? So I was like, "Okay, for someone that has done special operations, I was like boot camp must have been easy as ████
6:44 for you then." And he goes, "F███ no, that ████ was still hard. It's just the other one was even harder." Yeah. >> And I'm like, "What the hell?" And he's done like three levels of harder, [snorts] harder, harder, harder. >> Damn, dude. That's freaking crazy. So then that the people that are deciding to make boot camp easier are people that have not been through boot camp. >> No, I think they I think they they for sure are because it's the generals, you know, the people that are signing the checks and stuff, >> but I think they have a much more macro view of it. So, you know, when your when your view is so macro where it's like, okay, if I make this easier, but recruitment goes up, they're like looking it at that scale. >> I see. >> But then on the like boots on the ground scale, like we're we're like, dude, you're destroying our culture though. It's kind of like like, you know, like jiu-jitsu schools, it's technically if
7:34 you make it a little bit more cookie cutter, make it a little bit easier, >> you can now franchise your jiu-jitsu school. You can have one on every block and then you can be a schoolowning millionaire, right? But then people look at those schools and they're like, "Oh, that's not real jiu-jitsu." But then this guy is also a millionaire. So it's like what what are you trying to >> like what's more successful? A school with very little students like our MMA school where everyone got beat the ████ up or is a school more successful when you have a lot of students all over the world, you know? >> Right. >> And that's the I think that's the conundrum that they face. You know what I I was thinking about like like why they would allow such a thing if it's damaging the military and I thought because one recruitment is so low just in general like militaries all over the
8:24 world are like suffering with recruitment and another thing is I think warfare is changing. >> Like Vietnam era I think they they they they train people to still fight like World War II and then they're like, "Oh, we ████ up. We got to fight like more special op. >> Yeah. It went from trench to guerrilla warfare. >> Yeah. And then everything is changing, right? But it's also changing now into like drones and like less and then most of the wars we're in, we're not fighting other militaries that can compete. So I'm like, what if they have a completely different game plan of like, yeah, we'll let in a few ████ cuz they're going to be on the computer anyway. >> They'll be a hacker, >> something like that. I don't know. >> I do like the way Army goes about it. So like the army boot camp is not as hard and then so that's like okay cool you kind of >> how much not as hard as it to marine
9:14 boot camp >> from the I've only known a few people that have gone to both and they said it's like half as hard. >> How did they go to both? >> There's people that go to both cuz they did one and I didn't like this route. So one of the guys that um >> so they're both a marine and an army. >> Yeah. So one of the guys that Subie works with is actually one of those guys. He went Marine infantry and I think he thought that was ████ So he was like, I'm going to go special forces. So he went in the army and they went green beret. >> Oh. So he had to start like this and go like that. >> Like David Gogggins. He was Air Force and he wanted more out of himself. So he went navy and then went SEALs. >> When you were doing boot camp, did you run into anybody like that where it was there? >> Oh yeah. I met So our in my in my platoon, so platoon is like just your 80 people. Then you have a company company's made up of platoon. every graduating class of your company,
10:05 you have this guy called the honor grad. And he's like the baddest ████ you've ever seen. And um the our honor grad, he already graduated with ████ hella ribbons, which you don't have because if you're fresh, if you're a fresh recruit, like how are you going to have like like ████ >> honors and stuff like that? >> Yeah. Navy achievement medal or Afghanistan campaign medal. Like you're not going to have those, right? But he graduated with two rows of ribbons and gold wings, meaning he's had over 10 jumps out of airplanes. Damn. >> And I found out it was because uh he was already an army ranger. So he was already special army ranger was already a special operations. And then I guess for some reason he didn't like it. >> So he went in your boot camp. >> So he went into our boot camp to maybe pursue whatever else in the Marine Corps. >> But he was like, >> "How was he doing through all the the tests and stuff? Did you get to see him?"
10:55 >> This fool look like Captain America the whole time. He was good. He was ████ good. Yeah. He was like >> He was the honor. >> He was the honor. Yeah. [clears throat] He was like ████ like when people are like uh like me, you know, ████ I wish I had my inhaler. I'm about to pass out. Like this fool's ████ running up to come on guys, let's ████ go. Like ████ Chris Evans. >> He's like a leader too. >> Running ████ let's go. And if someone like I can't take it anymore and like drops the flag. He's the guy. We ████ got this. He was like this Samoan dude. like Polyn like ripped ass buff ass like Polynesian dude. >> That's cool to have in your team, man. Yeah. >> Let's go. >> You feel inspired. >> I was like he should be honor. [laughter] >> That's my honor. I was like be honor, dude. >> How do the drill instructors treat that guy any different >> in the be Well, here's the thing. Um which I give the drone instructors hell
11:45 of respect. >> Arguably, that guy went into my boot camp already more accomplished than most drone instructors, >> right? right? Cuz he already has gold wings. He was already special operations in the army. >> He he went into boot camp like having done more, been to Afghanistan already, been to Iraq, done all that ████ more than maybe some of the drill instructors have, but the drill instructors don't. There's no bias. >> So, they'll talk to him like the way they do to you. >> You could be a general's son and they'll smoke the ████ out of you still. So, that I that I really respect. him why he wanted to go join the Marines now to do something like is he going to be a raider or something? >> He wasn't in my uh platoon, so I didn't get a chance to really talk to him. Um so I wasn't I wasn't able to ask. But >> did the drill do the drill sergeants use that to smoke him? Like you think WHAT
12:36 YOU DID WAS SPECIAL? YOU THINK YOU [laughter] >> OH, FOR SURE. >> PROBABLY. >> Army Ranger my ass. >> Yeah. >> When they get off when they get off of the field, they're like that guy was pretty badass. [laughter] >> For sure. I bet you so there's parts in boot camp where you have to learn how to fix your uniform >> and I bet there was parts where he was probably putting his old rank. He was probably already a sergeant, you know, putting his old ranks on or whatever. And then they're probably like, "Don't you dare put that ████ on, you ████ recruit. You haven't earned s███." He probably grabbed his wings and probably chucked it on the floor. You know, probably ████ like that cuz you're technically not in the military in boot camp. You're technically a recruit. >> Wow. So, I'm pretty sure they probably wouldn't have allowed him to put any of his ████ on and you're going to ████ dress your ████ just like everyone else. >> But like if you're if you're like um army, right? And then like and then you have to put on a marine one, can you put on the same badge? Cuz it's I think it's
13:26 like if you got a black belt in taekwond do, you can't go to jiu-jitsu and put the black belt on cuz you just got it in taekwond do. >> That's very true. >> In in the military, you can't. >> So you just you could go to navy, army, whatever. Rack up all those medals. You could be like a ████ dictator of North Korea just having just combing down. >> There's a guy look him up. I forgot his name, but look up um Seal and Nightstalker. >> So Nightstalker >> Richard Ramirez. [laughter] >> Right. Um >> Navy Navy Seal. Navy. This guy right there. >> This guy. >> Yeah. >> Holy moly. So >> if you see his trident, he was a Navy Seal and I believe he went and enlisted. So he was already a Navy Seal. Then he became a Nightstalker. Nightstalker is the most elite pilot in the military.
14:16 >> Wa. >> So if you think about when Osama bin Laden got assassinated, it was the Nightstalkers that carried the seals into >> they're the guys that can like fly a helicopter, go upside down, do that crazy ████ So, he's special operations aviation and that's his wings like underneath it. He's done both. Like, it's so rare to pe to have people do two types of special operations. He's he's done both, which is crazy. >> Oh my god, that's so cool. >> Yeah, it's crazy. >> What about that nightstalker? >> Whoa. >> Oh, that's a way crazier nightstalker. [laughter] >> Nuts. >> Yeah, it's rare, man. It's really rare to have people do both, but that guy that a pilot >> that eats nightstalkers.
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