0:00 People die, things happen, but everything always trickles up in their favor. Like these things will happen down here and then it fills their pocket somehow. >> Mhm. >> And then it's untraceable though. >> But I think Jay might be Hillary in that in that scenario. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Why? Cuz he's gay. >> I think No, I'm just [Music] >> All right, check this out. >> Damn, this aggressive smile. >> You know, I think you're good. This guy's talking to Charlamagne, by the way. >> I I do. I'm I'm I'm not going to lie. After after the puff stuff, let me say this. Let me say this. This is my assessment. I've never heard you say one thing bad about Jay-Z. Not one. >> He's not in the room. You shouldn't talk to him. >> Don't tell me what to do. >> You said you shouldn't talk about me. >> Now you're interrupting me.
0:50 >> Now you doing the girls. >> I I know him. I'm giving you an example, right? >> You used to know him. >> Can I talk? >> You're upset. Can I talk? Can I talk? I've never seen you say one word cuz you talk bad about a lot of people, but you never said one time. And you walk around with with with his face on your on your chest. So, I'm thinking to myself, either you got a crush on this man or he's paying you one or the other. >> Did you Did you buy that shirt? >> Yeah. >> You went and bought that. They didn't give it to you. As much as you say nice things >> to support black business, >> I doubt you bought that shirt. >> What you mean? Anyway, and so I think >> Why is Damon Dash so hard on him? >> Okay. You know, I think you're gay. >> I think you're gay. >> What the heck? >> Yo, I've been seeing so many clips of Damon Dash on ████ with like and they're just fighting. >> Yeah, >> there's like going in on him. I wonder
1:41 what his uh like what was his purpose? >> I don't remember all of the like hip-hop beefs though. >> Yeah. >> But did he ever work with Def Jam or like what was what was the relationship? >> Charlemagne work for Dev Jam. >> No, Dame Dash. Oh, Dame Dash. Uh, >> no. Like what was his beef with like uh Jay-Z Puff, all that stuff? >> Do you guys remember any of it? >> I I I think there was some kind of lawsuit. >> Dame, was he VP of Def Jam? Like, did he work under Russell Simmons? >> He was with Def Jam either as a producer or something. >> He He apparently went to a bunch of parties back in the day. >> No, but he's like a big shot caller in the whole like hip-hop record label. He was a co-founder of Rockefeller Records with Jay-Z and Kareem Bigs Burke, which was later sold to the Island Def Jam Music Group, leading to a split between the partners. >> Gotcha.
2:31 >> As part of this acquisition, Dame Dash and Kareem Burke were bought out while Jay-Z retained control of Rockefeller. >> So, he's Okay, so he had a real big falling out then. >> Yeah, >> cuz he was co-owner of Rockefeller >> with Jay-Z and Kareem Burke. >> And so, he's always going in on the Diddy stuff. >> Yeah. The three partners eventually sold their controlling interest in Rockefeller to the Island Def Jam music group, making Island Def Jam the full owner of the label. This sale resulted in a major split between Rockefeller as Dash and Burke were bought out while Jay-Z as president retain control of the rock and his masters, effectively ousting his former partners. >> A good job doing host work that Steve should have done, you know, while Steve plays Mind Sweeper over there. >> I'm uh I'm actually playing um Fortnite. >> Hell yeah. But it's crazy because I think I saw I've been seeing a bunch of clips too and it seems like he came on >> ready to talk some ████ in the most
3:22 peaceful way possible >> cuz he's not yelling or anything. He's just calm. >> There's moments though. >> Oh, is that >> he was like, "Man, you look if I socked you right now, you wouldn't do s███." Like he would say like stuff like that to Charlemagne and then things were getting heated. Like so there's hella clips like that of right now this interview going out. There's like so many clips of just Dame going inside like going on uh Charlemagne talking. >> Raised his voice in some of them. >> Yeah. >> Oh, okay. It's funnier if he says that stuff like not raised voice though. Like you wouldn't do anything if I stopped you right now. >> Yeah, that's funny. >> What do you guys think about this though? >> I honestly agree. >> Why doesn't Charm Wayne like call out Diddy stuff? >> So that stuff I don't know. But I do agree with uh his first claim >> which >> he's gay. >> That he's gay. >> Charlemagne's gay. >> No. No. That not in the gay of homosexual. >> That's what he's saying though. Literal homosexual.
4:12 >> Oh, I thought he was calling him gay as in he has gay. >> No, he's like you're you're a closeted homosexual. >> Oh, that's what he's saying. >> Yeah, he's saying you're gay, bro. >> And he's accusing Jay-Z of being his daddy. >> I do. Look, you know, I think you're gay. That's what >> So, you think he's saying like you're gay? >> Well, cuz the other one I saw the context was he was saying like your OG is Wendy Williams and he was saying his OG is behind him. He goes, "How come we don't give Wendy Williams her flowers?" I think he's just saying like like he seemed like he was like this super soft dude and that's how I took the gay because I've never seen Charlemagne have a take on something where he owns it for the black community. >> How so? >> Like everything I've ever all the takes I've ever heard him say is all victim mindset stuff. >> This is happening to me. This is happening to us. Whatever over and over and over. So, I thought Dame was coming
5:03 in with you're gay because everything happens to you and as a man, you should be controlling your life, but you don't. Things happen to you. That's what I that's how I think he has that uh like essence and like that like uh just that perspective of him, but I think he's being literal in this conversation by saying like, "Hey, you're either getting paid by Jay-Z or you like him, you have a crush on him." Cuz you know how the whole no DY stuff and then the Diddy and Jay-Z are like this >> and then so he's like >> you're also tied in this mix and you got ████ by them. >> You're gay. >> I will say that there is a weird invisible moat around Jay-Z. >> ████ yeah. >> And it's just like >> it's never mentioned in anything. >> It's just the weirdest most invisible thing. >> But what's supposed to be mentioned? >> Well, >> everyone else. I mean, allegedly, I
5:53 think that there's a lot of conversation to be had with his relationship with P. Diddy with everything that's going around Diddy. It's like, well, were you not a part of that? Were you was it was it a ring? Are you a part of that ring? Do you lead that ring? >> Like, he's supposed the the main shot caller of that whole thing. And then he's but he's untouchable. And then everyone has to always shout out Beyonce when they win a Grammy for some reason. >> Like, everyone non across genres, they all have to say that for some reason. Yeah, >> there there's just like a >> that's weird >> interesting weird situation, but then like nobody can attack him either. >> Is there any hard evidence the way that there there was on Diddy though about Jay-Z doing anything? >> Yeah, he was on the cover of Forbes magazine with with uh uh Warren Buffett. >> What do you mean? Not not that. I mean like the way that they found evidence on Diddy doing weird ████
6:43 >> Like does Jay-Z have a hard evidence? I don't think so. Does Jay-Z have anything that popped up the same way it did for people just like looking at it like, "Oh, he's big. He's the bigger fish, so he must be involved." >> No, it's because of how tight they are and how like >> why wasn't he taken down when he was also attending all the parties and doing all the same stuff and and then, you know, >> and not even mentioned cuz like Ashton Kutcher would be mentioned like this other person would be mentioned, but no, Jay-Z is never mentioned and he's just as uh present at at those parties. >> Yeah. And he's he's still in jail, did he? >> But a lot of them have been exonerated, right? Like a lot of the charges. >> But but Jay-Z's name didn't even come up in the trial, right? >> Yeah. >> Uh-uh. >> So, is there like an actual >> Has he been performing though, Jay-Z? Like, I just feel like one day he kind of like >> he kind of he kind of shows up at like Beyonce concerts every now and then
7:33 >> and he does business, but like no one knows like how come he's not doing Jay-Z Hova tours >> because he's a mogul now. He's like a billionaire, right? >> Yeah. You don't need to be performing. That that was that's chump change to what he's doing. >> Yeah. >> But still, it's just I'm I'm just surprised at how the industry and the celebrity circle responds or doesn't say anything. >> You know what my take is on it? I don't I don't remember all the details, but just over the years of like kind of receiving the information, it feels like Jay-Z and Beyonce are like hip-hop's uh Bill and Hillary Clinton. Like people disappear, >> untouchable, >> people die, things happen, but everything always trickles up in their favor. Like these things will happen down here and then it fills their pocket somehow. >> And then it's untraceable though. >> Well, I think Jay might be Hillary in that in that scenario.
8:23 >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Why? Cuz he gay. >> I think No, I'm just >> I think he's more like Bill cuz nobody really talks about Bill. >> Bill's untouchable. Like everyone talks about Hillary still and people always talk about the Clinton death list and all that stuff, but people don't really talk about Bill anymore. Not really. >> I'm I'm just more so like I wonder if Beyonce really does commit or participate in anything of that shady nature. >> Is she just a puppet? Is she just an extension of him? >> Just, you know, his >> She was just a good gospel church choir girl that got wrapped up in this mess. >> She's so big now though cuz she doesn't she doesn't talk super super big. He talks super big for her. >> Like what he said recently. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. About Michael. >> He said he said that that she's bigger than Michael Jackson. >> Wow. >> Didn't he beat up her sister >> Solange? >> Mhm.
9:13 >> In the elevator. >> That's just not true though. Michael Jackson is the biggest >> No, nobody thought that was true. The whole Well, this is back to the thing that we were talking about yesterday, right? where like uh when it comes to things like this era of social media because things digitally are so accessible and passed around versus like a Michael Jordan or a Michael Jackson or whatever now they have like multi-platinum in like a heartbeat billions and billions of streams versus billions of record sales back in the day >> but the impact and and the revolution and the blueprint that was made Janet Jackson talked about the blueprint >> Janet Jackson clapped back and said something to him. Yeah, >> here we'll look that up. It was actually funny. Yeah, I could pull it up pretty quick. >> Did you pull out a titty first? >> Yeah, she pulled her titty out >> and then she said, >> "One of the best comments on that I saw on that on that um claim was that um
10:04 Michael Jackson wasn't fed to people and Beyonce was ████ like hammered into your head like you know what I mean? Like you didn't >> you too was on Apple Music. you didn't go like seeking it like she would just like pop up and like kind of like the machine was feeding it to you. But Michael was like everybody just genuinely wanted that product. Yeah. >> Cuz if you go to like a like a little third world country or something and you go, "Do you know who Beyonce is?" They go, "But what?" And they go, "Michael Jackson." And they probably >> Don't quite do the move. >> Yeah. And they probably have a old Michael Jackson shirt that was given by some charity and then they're wearing it >> legit. Okay, so check this out. Um, yeah, she's the blueprint now, right? That was the claim that JC Jay-Z said about Beyonce. Janet Jackson says, "Bloop. My brother was the blueprint.
10:54 Beyonce studied the Michael the way that the the world did. Respect her greatness, but don't rewrite history just to make dinner at the Carter House less awkward." >> Pretty sick. >> That's a dope ass quote. >> Wow. >> And it's also coming from Janet. >> From Janet herself. >> Badass. It's nice. >> Yeah. >> But I get it. I mean, I'll give Beyonce a Flowers, but at the same time, I I can't to the life of me. I don't even know how to sing a Beyonce song. Like, >> you know, >> Single Ladies, I know that one. >> Yeah, but I I can't say any other lyric outside of all my Single Lad. Put your hands up. >> Single ladies. That's it pretty much. >> Is that it? >> That's it. >> Uh uhoh. Uh uhoh. I mean, there's not that many lyrics in it. >> There really is. Did I do the whole song right now? >> Pretty much. Notice me. She also had that song where she says, "I'll ████ you like a surfboard or something, right?"
11:44 >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Surfboard. Surfboard. Surfboard. >> Yeah. Those songs are not They're not bad. >> No, they're not bad. >> Like her underwear commercial. >> I'm not talking junk on it. I'm just saying what Michael can be played. >> She's good. >> Anywhere, everywhere, all the time. You can play Michael at like a Ross and you'll catch a vibe, you know? Like it just >> Yeah. And the the crazy thing too is that like for um if you're even comparing to Michael that should tell you that he's above cuz if you're trying to make a point about yourself and you have to bring up Michael. >> Yeah. >> You're bringing him up cuz he's above. Like that's the reason >> Beyonce sold 200 to 350 million albums. Michael Jackson 500 to a billion. >> Yeah. It's over. >> Not even close. >> It's over. And also you can tell how long his music is still re relevant
12:34 after his death. You think after Beyonce passes it'll still be >> and and some people >> he's embroiled in controversy. Beyonce's like perfect. Like Michael has should have more haters. Like >> he probably does just cuz he's more known. >> No, he has defenders. >> Well, he has more defenders. >> He has people that will die for him in this room >> like like me. >> Yeah. Yeah. Have you ever driven out to Neverland Ranch like a weirdo? I feel like you would do that. My friend was a professional junior golfer and he would go there and I would go to the fence and watch him play and then I'll be like, "F███, I'm you're so lucky.
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