0:00 [Music] What's up y'all? Welcome back to a very introspective episode of the Careful Boys with Tatiana here again. [Applause] Tati Tati long seat see that movie is probably like 20 years old now. It really is. No scary movie. 20 Is that scary movie? Yeah. Right. Like Honda Suzuki. Oh yeah. Ah, I love that. Teriyaki Suzuki. That's a good one. That's actually one of the best scenes ever. Still so good. It scared me as a child. Scary movie. Yeah, it did. It did scare me as a kid. I like the I can do it myself. That he's the best character, dude. And he sucks
0:50 his own dick. Yeah. Also the This is my strong hand. This is my strong hand. Why don't you do me a favor? I'm gonna be the bigger managers. Walk away. So many quotables. I don't make that anymore. On some introspective ████ No. Um, no. Nope. If and or when people talk ████ about you, what what do they say? When was the last time somebody was talking junk about you? Oh my god. I get into it. I once in a while when I have time in my schedule, I'll get into it with somebody on the internet and um I will I will reply to mean comments. So, this one guy, he commented on one of my bits that went viral and he was like uh it was like my uh anime dude bit and he commented he goes, "I don't know if this is not funny cuz I don't watch anime or I don't watch anime cuz this is not funny." It wasn't even like a good
1:40 reply, but I was just I I just felt like replying that day. Give us the context on the bit. Wait, he DM'd you? No, this was like on the on the comments. On the comments. Um and uh Oh, what do you like? Like what was it? Oh, it's uh it's a I I kind of make fun of black guys who watch anime and because it's a very specific genre of human being. Um anyway, they end up winning in the bit. Go online. I love those guys. You should watch. Yeah, you're great people. I just It's just me poking fun. Anyway, this guy, he was like he basically said I wasn't funny. And I feel like that's more of an insult than anything. I'm like, you can call me ugly. You could talk about anything you want. Please call me anything else in the book, but not funny. How could you? That hurts your feelings,
2:31 huh? Yeah, that hurt. Uh, not like not really cuz I'm like I've gotten some really good ████ feedback and I think I'm funny. But I was like, you know what? I got time today and I said, hey, I said something along the lines of I like looked up his profile. I said, "Hey, um, uh, oh, I found out where he was going to where he is located." And I he actually took it out of his bio later, but I said, "Hey, actually, um, uh, I'm going to be in your city for this weekend. Uh, I I'll give I'll give you I'll pump your tickets or something and you can, uh, make up your mind or whatever." Cool. And he's like, "I would never He's like, I would never waste my money on a ticket to come see you." I said, "Okay, fine." Uh, I said, "How about we go on a gym date so we can unbig your back?" Uh, what did I say? Wow. Something like that. I said, Cam, I don't remember what I said, but something like that. I I came at his
3:21 neck. I was like, m, you're not going to dump me on the internet. But after that, it was just like a thread of people like coming to my defense, which I was like, "Oh, I don't even need to say anything. Like, ████ this guy." Um, but yeah, I have like random beefs. Yeah. With people on the internet. I never understand why people like try to come at comedians cuz you you're just gonna get roasted. For example, like David David loves roasting ████ right? Oh yeah. And I'm like, why do you even try? That's like that's like trying to like fight a M. Like this is their job. If you ████ with them, they're going to ████ roast you to a crisp. This is their profession. I feel like some of them they're they want attention. So, so they're trying to poke David, but they don't really believe what they like. Yeah, some people do do it. Oh, they want candle wax on their back. They
4:11 think it counts as a win where they're like, "Oh, I got I got a rise out of him. He's so serious right now." Yeah, I don't ever take it that seriously. I'm just like I'm like, "Oh, you're clearly lonely, bro." Like, you know, that's that's all. But I'm sorry. What was the original question? Oh, like when was the last time you unbig someone's back? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's hilarious. I think the the idea of somebody even telling you that you're not funny though, it doesn't really count cuz like people who just aren't funny just no one notices anyway. Like you just wouldn't pay attention to them. But like if they got to go out of the way to be like you are not funny like you just want them to feel. But the funniest thing is when you go to their profile and you see what they look like it's like wow. Yeah. Yeah. I mean majority no selfawareness. Majority of the people that be slinging hate online just are ashamed of themselves in some weird way. can't even can't put a picture of themselves, can't
5:01 post nothing. I think the funniest one is um when they have to have a burner account just so they could come talk ████ to you. But some people that's not even their burner. They just have no life. They just have no friends. Nothing. I don't think those are burners a lot of the time. I think they just really are inactive socially. Yeah, people talk ████ They're just like angry people that don't really know how to do anything else. So, you know, Damn, that's really sad then if it's not a burner. That's why you can't pay it no mind because it's like if you're not getting like a legitimate comment from a person that actually really exists. Yeah. Then what are you really fighting back at? Like people will say like stuff on my page that is outrageous. Like one person was I've gotten it actually a couple of times where they're like, "Oh, this girl thinks she's Japanese." And I'm like, I don't think I crawled out of Japanese ████ I mean, I think that really qualifies. And I'm like, I don't
5:51 know. She thinks she's Japanese. Weird. They're so weird. People just say anything all day. So weird. I'm going start saying that about you. Hilarious. I'll be like, "What do you think about Tati? She thinks she's Japanese." It's crazy. One, one thought, I'm not going to lie, this comment was probably one of my favorites. Somebody said, "I can see the Asian through the darkness." Hey. Hey, that's kind of good though. That's kind of good. That's kind of a simple meaning, too. That's pretty sick. Yeah. You know what's funny is um I forget that you're black. Do you? Yeah. Really? Because really you're Because you're so Japanese. Because you're so Japanese and your mannerisms, it just I just I'm just thinking you're like Japanese American. You mean when she talks about things like Brooklyn,
6:41 I guess, but Brooklyn, I don't know how to It's like It's so familiar. some appleo that Yeah, it's like Yeah, I don't know. Joe's got Japanese goggles on. So, it's it's like gay dog but for Japanese people. It's because Japanese feel Asia Asia Asia. You're raised by your mom, right? So, like I think there's the familiarity and then I can tell when someone's Japanese American because your mannerisms is still Japanese. There's certain small things that like the way you talk, the way you respond or like the way Yeah. when you came in. No, but it's true. I real I started catching this recently in a conversation with someone. I'm constantly right
7:35 and I I caught myself doing that with another friend and they were just like I could sense they were like, "Why are you doing that?" Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, "Oh, yeah. Sorry, sorry, sorry." Even yeah I get but it's probably because I grew up around that. So then the vibes is like yeah it's screaming Japanese but other people that don't know they won't know. They just see you like physically and go like you look a little [Laughter] Why did it escalate so bad? It's a good way of explaining. Oh my god, you actually have Asian goggles. These are the Japanese goggles that you
8:26 redundant on him though. Haro. Oh my god. So stupid that you did that. Oh my god. All right, Nick. What about you? When people talk ████ on you, what do they say? Yeah. Like if someone's like, "Man, that dude, he he's not even that good at jiu-jitsu." I say that to myself in the mirror every night. It's you. You're only enemy. Do you have haters? Uh, what if you got a guy that's like, "His fitness coaching sucks. I'm fatter now." And I took his course for eight months. That's my Nick Dun guaranteed. Uh, I don't know. People talk ████ about me. It's definitely They don't say it to me, I guess. And if they I don't know. I don't I I've never really had anyone be like, "You're a piece of s███." cuz I try to get a ████ long with everybody, you know? I try to be cooperative as best I can. We had this one thing on the casuals page where we
9:17 we we had a podcast with his MMA show and we had one of our guests who's a commentator for the UFC. He was like, "Hey, rank the best commentators." We were asking him that and he put this lady named Laura Senko. She's she put her they put her as a number one. And this one random dude was like he commented something like, "Oh, what is this? ████ DEI podcast m like saying some like stupid ████ and we're like a DEI podcast. Yeah. Like I don't even know what that means. Gil kind of clapped back on him cuz he looked at his profile and he he's like a he's a trainer and he like wears these tiny little shorts and he's like tin he wears a little crop top asking for it. Yeah. And he and then like Gil was like cracking jokes about his crop top or whatever. And then I commented back and I was like and your shorts too, you know, just cuz I was like Gil usually never class back. So I was like I'm going to get his back on this one. So, I said that and then this dude went through my profile and he started like commenting all this ████ He started
10:08 going through all your pictures. He went through uh I guess a video that we did for Lion Hart where Hinrich is one of my uh my buddies and there's a clip where he's like trying to kiss me and I'm like, "Yo, dude, get the ████ away from me." And this dude is like commenting like, "You're ████ gay, dude. You're over here talking all this tough talk and you're over here kissing dudes." And I was like, "Well, that's actually kind of funny." Yeah. I started laughing. I was like, "Oh ████ dude. Jealous." I was like I was like I do do that you know kissing then come over and kiss me and see what happens and then you know you know the picture that we have that we took of we took uh a picture with the pugs and we went to this we we went to a Santa at our Oh yeah yeah yeah it's on my fridge bro it's so funny cuz like Tiff's like hey let's just go do this for fun like whatever the ████ like let's just it'll be hilarious so we went and go do it and the dude commented on that picture and he's like he's like wow dude two dogs you don't have any kids
10:58 lol started comment he's still hanging I was like, "Damn, dude." I was like, "Bro, I fell right for the trap." But I just was like I was like, "Yeah." And and Tiff was like, "What the ████ Who is this guy?" She's like, "I blocked them. I blocked them all the post." Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's like She's like, "Who's this guy you guys love?" And I'm like, normal. Yeah. You block them. You just leave them. Just let them hate. I thought it was funny, bro. I leave hate all the time. And honestly, too, it's like It's like, "Okay, what are we going to do? We're talking I started pinning the most hateful comment at the top of my video so like it gets engagement. I just like ████ play the system like oh yeah let other people get in there and start and I don't know if he deleted the comment but he deleted his comment on the original podcast cuz everybody was ████ on him in the group just got ratioed and I'm like I'm like damn dude this is not okay. I like I like putting
11:49 homoerotic comments on Nick's page every time he does a training session to make him look gay. Yeah. Not to be to be like like you guys are both gay. No. Like I'll be like, "Man, Nick is such a great trainer." I don't know why, but he had me get naked to do squats. But like for a proper alignment for your your chakras, dude. Oh, okay. He worked me out so hard. My ████ dick was so sore at the end of it. Like I don't know. It's just fun. It's nice. It's so fun. A lot of engagement. A lot of engagement. A lot of inquiries after he comments on Oh yeah, business has really taken off. This has been through the roof. My hands are sore though. Yeah, hands are sore. Oh my god. It's got to be a good market endings when he when they get when they when they go through me cuz I have a coupon code for Nick if you like join Nick the dick and then like affiliate market. Yeah. And then all of my like customers they want
12:41 to rub rub rub a dubdub by him. Rub and tug. It's a good It's a good trade-off. It's good side business. Men and sex work. Yeah. You got to do what you got to do to pay the bills. I feel like if you're just out there in public, you could just be doing anything and you're gonna get hate no matter ████ what. Yeah. Like you could, Dude, I've seen guys that are like just plant dudes. Like they're all they do is ████ And there's like ████ people hating on them, dude. There's like mommy Well, mommy vloggers is a big one. That's ████ crazy. I would never want to I would not wish that life on anyone. People love to hate though. It's fun. But it's funny when people that are like doing just living life get become a joke. Like that one um world from Nev. Yeah. Oh, the girl who does puns. Yeah. She just does pun. She's so innocent. Just does pun jokes, but then people
13:32 fill her comments daily with like the most perverted or something. Perverted ████ ever. Yeah. What? Cuz it's a bit now. It's like a bit. Yeah. It's like she's so wholesome that the justosition of like making her comments successful became so funny. There's hundreds of comments though. Oh my god. You know the one girl who who does like grocery shopping and she like does a spin twirl. Yeah. Is that her? No, that that one's Goblin Goblin Face and Baby Head. Oh yeah. Baby head and goblin. When you're talking about I think goblin face. Yeah, goblin head. Bro, I'm calling you goblin head is ████ There's a girl just like her that does the same kind of content, but she has a big ass baby head. So then people are picking sides. Are you team baby head or team goblin again? Crying while she's at the ████ grocery store. Like I like cookie bark potato spin shop. Yeah, she's like trying to read this the ingredients. But that spin pisses me off. I'm not going to lie.
14:23 Something about that ████ spin. That's the magic of the content though. You like the purple barista lady. Oh, you love her, dude. The purple joker looking one. Yeah. Yeah. She likes to wear suits and then she has like a coffee shop and just she's very wholesome, too. Like very lovable. She just makes coffee. She's kind of a big girl, but she like she's fly. Like she has outfits like and people call her she has like Steve Harvey suits. Yeah. But people call her like purple Grimace and like just random. And they just like they'll just be like hate from Argentina, hate from Spain, hate from what? That's crazy. From like a whole country. That's crazy. Just came by to hate. Yeah. Yeah. I know this word. What about you, Joe? When people talk ████ on you, what do they say? Dude, I It used to be an Olympic sport for me to engage. He's like he's like a Neck Shark top contributor. That's one of my favorite
15:14 things. Oh yeah, he for sure is always on. I like poking people on Neck Shark um in the comments. But I think I like antagonizing a lot cuz I think it's so funny when it's um when someone's so passionate about something that's so stupid. So you want to egg them on and they they keep debating. Yep. And then I think um what I like to do is play the character that they think I am. So like let's say uh if if I identify that someone really hates MAGA, right? And then I'm like I'll play deep into MAGA. Okay. Quite opposite. I And then I'll do the opposite too. Like I'll I'll I'll I'll be like liberal but so liberal to where it's like, "Hey, we're the same, right?"
16:04 And then they're like, "No." But yeah, I miss I don't know what you're talking about. The ████ Anthony, what kind of comments do you get? Well, because of JK, I get everything. Real hate though. That's love. That's not real hate. Yeah. No, that's what JK That's why we love JK. That's engagement on your page. Finally. Yeah, finally. Thank you. Stupid the kind of guy. Yeah, I get here actually man. Shut up. That grows your channel. I mean your page. I wouldn't say that either. That's for sure. It's like fertilizer. It's ████ Yeah. Slow build for me. For me online stuff is is nothing. It's just like we we live in that world. So like the banter's constant, you know? Like uh people say like funny things and people say not so
16:55 funny things. That's like slightly insulting, but it's also like who really gives a ████ Um because like you're consuming our content, that's the only reason why you're in on the joke. So it's like you're more supportive than you are anything else. Yeah. I don't get like any online ████ talking to me. If it's like it's all real life. Yeah. If it's like real life ████ talking that that's like the crazier stuff. I wish people were bold enough to talk ████ in real life. They don't do they never do it to your face. They won't. Yeah. You hear murmurss and it's like dude just say it to my face. That's all. Have you had to confront anyone? I mean, I feel like I confront people all the time, but like I don't I don't confront people. Starbucks. I don't know. Like like Yeah, you said it all the time. So like in real life, you like get in a coffee and you just like confront them. What did you just say? We're large. If there's any like uh
17:46 misunderstanding or anything like that, I feel like I'm often times first to just be like, "Hey yo, like uh let's chat about this." Like I'm I'm like just quick to be like, "Let's have a talk. That's the only solution." versus like needing to like add add fuel to the fire like behind closed doors type stuff, you know? Um, but it's so much more fun to talk some ████ I'm literally like if I hear somebody talk ████ on me like social media or randomly, you know, I I'll DM the person. Like I'm just there just being like, "Yo, like you said this blah blah blah, let's chat it out." And like people will I think people get weirded out that like you're actually talking to them about an issue versus being like I I'd rather make this content cuz that wasn't in their plan. and they wanted to talk to the world about you, not talk to you. So, you're derailing them. I just feel like that's like the proper human experience. But I understand I understand that like Yeah. Yeah. People
18:36 rather just be able to say signal. Don't mess up the virtue signal. But what if it's not about you and it's just fun but untagged to like argue? I mean, most of my ████ is not about me. It's just fun to argue and then like someone's mad because they're passionate. But then that's not necessarily them talking ████ about you is all. Yeah. That's just like talking ████ The last The last time someone was really hating on me, the clapback was so severe, I had to do damage control to save them. No way. Om had it again. moving. It was that one when I had so I used to um own these content studios in downtown and so we would have just people rent them and do shoots and this one dude uh we have like normal rules like okay if you paid to have 12 people in there then you you get charged if there's 13 14 or 15 people in the room
19:26 and then so this dude rented it. I could see on the cameras that there were like 15 people in there. So I was like, "Hey bud, you're going to have to pay the extra fee for like having more people in there and he didn't respond or anything." Um, so then when his when it came time to get the bill, which was like the next morning, I had to charge him for the extras cuz he didn't say if he was to say something like, "Oh, sorry. You know, they're only going to be here for a minute." That I'd be like cool with it. But since he didn't reply, I was just like, "All right, um, it's going to be whatever extra hundred bucks." And then he like threw a fit about it and he said it was because I was racist and that he was going to tell everybody that that I uh I'm racist towards African-Americans. Did you say I'm darker than you? No, this guy was Egyptian. He was an Egyptian guy. Oh, no. That's a tight move. Was he like he's
20:17 anti-Pyramidist? He's technically in the line. Yeah, but he doesn't come from the same experience. Like that's like Elon saying he's Africanamean. Like I'm sure during a certain time that was very This was like during a very sensitive time. So he was like trying to use it on trying to weaponize it. He he can't really see who I am on the other side of the like I'm messaging him on. So he thinks you're white. He doesn't know. Yeah. Because because the profile picture is of my girlfriend who's white. So he's thinking he's talking to her. Yeah. But I'm the one managing it. And then so like I had to make I take those kinds of threats like really seriously. So, you showed up. Um, I did I put all my receipts on a post. Yeah. I did an Instagram post where I went, "So, someone's trying to say that I'm like racist to black people and it's this guy. Here's our entire interaction beginning to end. Here's a video." He was like Arab. He was like
21:08 Arab Egyptian. This and that. Straight up Egyptian. Yeah. Like, wait, like, but Arabic or like white or was he melanated? No, he was lighter than me. Okay. So, he was like white Egyptian. Knock it off. Yeah. And then so like I was right. So, just to protect myself of that, I was just like, "Here's everything that was said, everything that was done. Here's the video of him in the room. Here's the video of this many people. Here's a shot of our rules. Here's him agreeing to them." And then him ignoring me. Everything from beginning to end. And then people came to the defense so strongly that they started harassing his wife's work. Oh, was it JK fans? No, this was preJK. Oh, wow. And they started like I mean they messed with they got on his website and ████ around on his like people I feel like were hacking him. They were doing like people were doing crazy ████ They they crashed his site. They like got followers and then but then the wife
21:58 thing was the part that was like so far because like then he had reached out to me and was like uh or he had a friend reach out to me and um he was his friend was like yeah this is just ruining their lives. It's going too far. his wife has to deal with it. He almost ruined your life by or or Smack's life by being freaking I think the argument his argument was that he was never really going to do it. He just said it to scare us. But that doesn't matter. That's worse. But he didn't know that he was talking to me until I made that post. So, uh I tag He was trying to bully a woman. I tagged him and everything. Yeah, exactly. So, I I had tagged him. His like name his name was public. All his ████ was public and people just destroyed all of his ████ They like really went through it. So then I had to be like, "Hey, it's been it's been resolved." He uh he said that that it was it was just an empty thread. He had no plans of Did he give you the $100?
22:50 Yeah. And he paid the overage. All he should have said was, "Sorry for party rocking." And I think like it looks really bad on him because I think like, you know, for being as Egyptian as he is and trying to use the black experience against me. I was like, "Dude, what the I put that out of him really saying that straight up and I think that looked extra bad for his circle." Yeah. Because I'm sure like people don't appreciate him throwing that around. Yeah. Is the black in the room with us? Cuz bro, that's so crazy. What? Yeah. And he's like he's like this director guy. He's not like a you know, he's not like someone that looks like he needs the help. Like he he looks very established and like fine. That's so he's in a position to not really be playing that card in any matter. Yeah. So I had to really like make another
23:41 post to be like, "Stop coming to my defense." Like, "It's fine now." That's really nice of you. You should have no mercy. ████ this ████ Ride or dies, bro. But I still don't I don't I know part of like who was really helping, but then like there were people that were coming out of the woodwork that I didn't I didn't I hadn't talked to in so long and I was like, "Dude, please don't do anything." Like there were some old friends that were like, "Oh, I'm" they it just struck a chord with them, I think, because a lot of this was happening um in the wrong places at the time. A lot of people felt on edge like they were going to be blamed for something very similar because that ████ was happening in a lot of our communities. And to see it happen to me, people were like, "What the f███?" Like, yeah. And I was I was like faceless. Like I It wasn't even me. So he was like that guy was threatening our
24:31 whole like business saying that he was going to say that we were like that we hate black people over that. And he was pretending to be black. Yeah. I think I think like he considered himself, you know, af African-American, so he was just saying that like that was a valid point that he could make, but I didn't see a lot of people agree with the implications of what that meant. Yeah. And then you know what's cool too is that like so at the time like I I was working for Complex too at the time and then a s███████ of like black rappers and artists were just flooding like they were in his ████ like dude you're going to call you're going to call my boy ████ racist. Like yeah, they were just like my back was had like stronger than I've ever seen in my life. That's such a flex. I was working for Complex at the time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because like almost everybody that I worked with at Complex was black and then they were just like so quick to ████ with this dude. Like
25:23 solidarity. Yeah. It was dope. That I will say black people will have your back gang ████
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