0:00 [Music] The big question right now, does late night TV deserve to die? >> Um, no. And mainly because I haven't done Fallon yet. No. Um, >> nice. >> I think that even with like Sable podcasting, JK News, plug you guys. Um, on your own, you people watch anyways. >> Um, the clips, please reload the page. >> Click like, subscribe. Um, That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. Uh, click refresh. >> Um, uh, the clips go viral anyways. So, uh, even if the show isn't maybe making a lot of money, like I think there are still a lot of good viral clips that come from it. So, it's like also what you guys do. Like, you're still um doing Fallon, but there's still bits of Fallon that are going super viral, getting 20
0:50 million views on one clip. So, I don't think it deserves to die. Maybe it could be reeled in production wise. You don't need a full audience. It's not >> do these hundred million a year things. Yeah, for sure. You could definitely make it affordable, but I don't think it it's that it's a great model. It just um maybe they need to just change a little bit where it can't be so buttoned up. It can't be this and that because you are losing a lot of viewers to like Rogan or >> who's watching it >> it's it's mostly above 60y old people right now >> and people in hotels >> and they're watching the full They're watching the full show. Yeah. Instead of like just random clips. >> Yeah. I don't know that anyone in our generation is watching the full show. I can't think I can't >> cuz I just don't hear anybody saying that anymore. Like nobody goes like did you see Co Bear last night or anything like that. >> But even like Chris Dephano just just guest posted for Kimmel and he posted the clips and they went viral because he posted on his page. So I just think that
1:40 they should figure out the model a little better. But I don't think it should. >> What do you think is like made it so unpopular? >> I think it's because they do it's not authentic. So they always do pre-in now and so the host already knows what you're going to say and it just comes across as wooden as hell. >> But it's also almost impossible for it not to be inauthentic because they they are having four guests on a night 5 days a week. So say >> four guests. >> Yeah. There's four. So say for example I have an album coming out or I have trust coming out. They need to watch six movies a night and then listen to three albums and interview them. >> Yeah. Because it will come off inauthentic cuz they're like oh I saw your movie and it's ████ amazing. like they can't do all that research, >> right? >> So, what is it an hour long? So, there's like 10 minutes per guest, 15 minutes, >> dude. It's not even like cuz the commercials it's like 6 minutes per
2:30 guest. It's like it's like skipping stones across a lake. Like you just touch on something, touch on something, touch on something, you're done. >> So, it's just boring, I think. But I still think the clips go viral enough where it's still getting viewership. And those guys are still big in pop culture. So, I don't think it should go. >> I don't know like that it it what he's talking about. I don't know that it's going to last because even like for example Co Bear I think he's doing like what three million a night maybe two million a night something like that >> it's less yeah >> yeah so it's not in the 18 to35 demo that all the advertisers key in on so hard because they want to sell their products to 1835 >> they're not watching it right so it's 60y old plus so I just think it's going to die out if anything it's just the market >> they need to figure out a new format >> yeah they just need to they just need to do something honestly similar to like this but like >> you guys should take over >> with views but but when we were talking about though is is I think smart cuz
3:20 that's where it will go. But it won't be the same model. Like it won't be like >> let's sit down and have a very boring conversation with Leonardo DiCaprio or whatever cuz he's here only to talk about his movie and they have to slam ████ it into the conversation like so crazily, right? >> You know what I mean? Like like instead like the Rogan model is let's just sit down with this the actor from the movie McConnA or whoever and let's have a two-hour conversation about his life and stuff. And he talks about the movie in there for sure and they weave it in but like it's just more interesting. I think it attracts way more people. Yeah, absolutely. >> For me, it feels like >> no laugh track. Everything is real. >> It feels like it feels like WNBA in a way how what it was a year ago in the way that people complain that it shouldn't go away, but they don't go to the game. >> So, everyone thinks that they should keep going, but they haven't sat and watched a full show in forever. And that goes that's a testament of like when when we didn't have a choice and at night everything was late night on four channels in a row. You watched it. But
4:11 then when you have a choice of you can see anything you want at any time of the day if you want. >> Are you are you going to go on Hulu and porn? I'm not watching Kimmel. >> I just don't think anybody chooses it like that. You don't choose it above like watching a Netflix movie or something. You just don't. >> It's like Mash is on late night or a talk show. I might go to talk show. >> Yeah. >> But by the way, I could Exactly. But I could barely even stick to a Netflix thing. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? Cuz I have the option. So much options. I go And then what's next? >> It's like dating now almost. >> Exactly. >> Too many options. >> Yeah. You know, it's like if I'm watching a show with Hannah, right, and then one of us like have to go bathroom break. >> We can't even wait. >> Like you pause it and we're on our phones >> for that waiting break. >> But back then it was like, "Oh, pause
5:01 the movie. All right." And then you just wait. That was normal. >> Yeah. It's tough because also TV, we wised up to it pretty quick when we just realized we're being sold commercials. We're not really being sold the show. >> Yeah. >> And then so now that you can cut all that out and just watch only the show, like are you going to go back? >> No way. >> Yeah. That makes me optimistic about the future of my career. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. You guys, we're on our phones anyway. So ████ Tik Tok. >> By the way, >> that's what you do after. >> But by the way, another thing that people don't even realize that happened to Late Night too is when you know how like so they used to do like Leno or Letterman, they would open with like a sketch of some sort or like a >> Yeah. A stand up thing. Yeah. So they got they ditched that because what happened was and I don't think a lot of people even recognize that this was happening, but this is what was happening. >> Did you know that your VPN can still track your internet history? Mhm. You'll
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6:42 doing like a brand deal in the beginning. So, it's something that's integrated with an ad. So, it's very unfunny already. It's just a commercial for something that they try to put jokes into, but it just you're just like square peg round hole. It's just not quite jelling at all. And so they they took their own comedy, their own like spicy take on whatever it is and they they they just caked a product on top of it because they're trying to subsidize the show's not making that much money anymore because of they're losing viewership. So that was like a band-aid that he slapped on this thing like 10 years ago. And it's just it just slowly atrophied the youth away from this stuff because the youth used to love that part. Like when I was a kid and Conan open with like he's flying his desk over the town or whatever and all that stuff was like so funny to me and and new and fresh >> and they just got rid of that and so instead they're doing like a Trident commercial that we didn't even realize was a Trident commercial until they put
7:33 the product out there. >> Yeah. >> It's just like and then you're just like, "Oh, really?" So it was all for that. >> It's also like SNL. Like now SNL like the first 5 minutes is always like a political sketch. You're like even if you want to tune in you're like ████ I want to watch just to laugh and get away from it press conference with the president. >> Yeah. Before it was there wasn't much politics on social media this and that you just had to tune into it. Now you can't get away from it. People want to get away from it to watch the comedy and they're like a even this is being shoehorned in. There's so much politics and Kimmel and and he everything people are like so you're essentially just cutting 50% of your audience. You're picking a side and then you're like the stuff that you're trying to escape. I just want to hear this actor talk about this movie. Every two seconds it's like, "Oh, Trump's a d███████." And you're like, "I just want to get away from that. I just want to be entertained." So, I think that plays a part. >> People work all day. They want to come home and laugh. >> Literally, that's that's a rumor, too. I don't know how much of you you guys have seen, but then like there's a bunch of like people saying that it's getting
8:24 cancelled because of Trump and they're saying >> like Trump's stopping it or blocking it. >> Well, he sued CBS and one, right? So there there's an idea cuz they're trying to merge with this company >> called Sky Dance or some ████ like that and and that's paramount, right? So the the the thing that people are extrapolating from that is Sky Dance is owned by a right-wing dude, right? Who doesn't maybe agree with what say Coar is saying about Trump and so they're trying to, you know, Paramount's basically saying like, "Yeah, don't worry. We got rid of Co Bear and let's so please allow our merger to go through and don't call it like a monopoly or anything like that and just make it Gucci." So that's like the argument, right? But but Coar again, he's losing $40 million a year. That's the counter. >> And that's not it's not like they suddenly were like, "Oh, we got to cut it." Like, it's been talked about for a really long time. >> And by the way, so Paramount again, like
9:14 two days ago, they announced a deal with Trey Parker, Matt Stone from South Park. Those guys just released an episode last night that basically has has Trump in bed with Satan. So like, do you really think like you watch it? It's hilarious. >> Exactly. Like it's not that that can't be the reason why. That's the reason. How come those guys just signed a deal like literally 3 days ago for $1.5 billion? By the way, >> I almost wanted years. >> Do you think South Park makes way more money than >> Of course I do. Coar it was bleeding 40 mil. >> Who are they going to replace him with? >> By the way, how many times does somebody ever come up to you and said, "Did you see Co Bear last night or or Kim or >> the South Park?" >> Every single time. >> Did you see the South Park? Did you see the South Park? Every time. Like we all know that. Like come on. >> Yeah. >> Who are they going to replace him with? Are they going to put a new guy completely done? >> Yeah, the show itself is over >> the whole hour and do something or hour and a half, >> which which is why that people are like saying, "Oh, that's a slippy slope of
10:04 like late night in general leaving because I think now they're really starting to see that just they're all kind of performing the same." >> Well, who's doing now? Um, is just is Kimmel still on? >> Yeah, Fallon Kimmel. >> Fallon Kimmel. Oh, Fallon's still doing it. >> Bring back Craig Ferguson, dude. Bring him back. >> Craig Fergordon's done. They're saying like Conan was >> became like such a hated person. >> Yeah. >> I actually saw him in November. Saw him at a soccer game. >> Did you say what up or did you say I hate >> He was sitting in front of me. >> I was I was invited by the same person he was invited by. So he was talking to him before they ████ went to cordon before me and no one really likes him, but it's all good. Um >> uh you want to know what's also strange is that um I you know I almost wanted Trump to just come out and be like why don't people do this? Why doesn't Trump come out like tweet because he's always tweeting ████ Why doesn't he tweet today be like, "Oh, saw the South Park uh event. Hilarious."
10:55 >> Everyone would love you. He's not like that. >> I know, but think about that. Like, >> wait, he doesn't tweet. He truths. >> Yeah, he truth. Truth. >> He says the real Yeah, but like why can't like cuz you know the second someone goes, "Oh, people are like you're a hater." But if you just go like, "That was so funny." People love you. Why can't he just >> I don't think he gets that. >> Cuz he takes himself very serious. >> Yes, I guess. >> Yeah. I don't sleep with S. That's not true. Wait a minute. I've never had sex with >> I want me and Osama bin Laden in a South Park episode together. >> Yeah. >> Paramount. Do it. >> There you go. >> So you said Trump sued CBS. >> Yeah. For defamation. >> He got him for the Kamla interview. Remember was 60 minutes. >> Reedited. >> Yeah. They edited interview with Kamla. >> Oh, that one. >> Yeah. They took away her like horrible answer. They just like >> and they cleaned it up a little bit.
11:45 Right. So, and that was happening during election. So Trump's argument was this like cost me like a billion dollars of publicity and then CBS is like cool we'll settle for $36 million. That's what happened. >> Wa >> good deal. Good deal, >> right? >> Pretty crazy. >> And he's kind of had a pattern of doing that lately. Like he keeps on suing all these different places for defamation. >> Is he going to go after South Park, you think? >> I don't think he is standing. I don't think there's any standing for it. >> Well, that's hard because nobody ever wins against South Park because of the parody clause. >> 4 in is not tiny. >> It's just enough. >> Yeah. >> 4 in is soft, my guy. Yeah. Let's Hey, let's see. Let's see if you could take 4 in. >> Hey, tough guy. >> I bet I ████ could. >> Yo, 4 in is small, bro. >> Come on, man. >> Oh, yeah. Turn around. >> Don't burn us like that. >> That ████ mine. >> That's cool.
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