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Our Heated Debate About Flock Cameras

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0:00 How do you guys feel about flock cameras? >> Think it's whack. >> What's that? >> Take them all down. >> You really don't like them, huh? You haven't heard anything about flock cameras this whole time. >> Flock? Yeah, >> you should know about it a lot cuz your chick's British. There's there's one camera for every like ████ seven citizens or some ████ >> Wait, what are you talking about? >> What is this? I I don't know. >> You guys are perfect demo for flaw cameras. Flaw cameras is this thing. It's It's a widespread installation of surveillance all around the world. >> That's not called CCTV. >> Mm- Nope. >> Oh, I think it's called CCP. This This one's more fueled with like AI and different softwares in order to recognize and uh basically file data of everything they see, including license plates and everything. >> Wow. >> They build a database of where you are and they can track you through the sequence of where the flock cameras are. >> Is that like when in China there's like a crowd and then there's just boxes all

0:51 over their faces and it just >> But they're doing it with license plates. They're doing it with your face inside your car and all kinds of ████ And it's something that's been it's been misused so many times already by like operators that are trying to stalk their ex-wives and ████ Like it's it's not as secure as you think. So there's a lot of arguments against them. And there's a lot of like ████ too where a cop recently just went to some lady's front porch and she's like, "Hey, I I we think you stole we think you porch pirated from this lady in your community." And they're like, "See that's you on camera." And she's like, "That's not me." And he's like, "I got you dead to rights, ████ Like you're coming to jail." Basically, >> there's a lot of like wrongful arrests happening from it. And of course, there's the intended use is that it's supposed to protect people, but are we allowed to even decide for ourselves? You know what I mean? Like, >> who watches the watchers? That's always the problem, right? >> Exactly. What were you going to say,

1:41 Anthony? >> This is me totally running for mayor here, by the way. >> China number one. >> Okay. This is going to be the most communist thing I'll probably ever say in my life. >> I'm for the progressiveness of it. I'm for like to me if I'm going to be like that unfortunate realist. We're not going to escape it. We can't sit here and pretend in the in the free world that's not going to happen. It's it's What do you mean how do we feel about it? It's 1,000% implemented going to be implemented. It will evolve to a point where we cannot fight. Correct. >> Oh, cool. Anthony, you should teach your daughter this stuff, too. >> I don't think so. I mean, there's states that are probably like not in our state ever. >> Yeah. No, no. Anony's going to sit his daughter down and be like, "Sometimes you just got to take it." >> I assume that's the most naive thing ever. I think that's absolute ignorance to be completely honest. No, cuz I think like I think I think there's places in Idaho, Montana, Texas, though, but never in my state ever. >> And I bet you they're already being watched possibly. >> That's what I'm saying. >> By the way, I bet there's people in

2:32 Summerland like that, brother. >> To me, in my understanding, things like the Patriot, they're everything that we think is it's already past that point. So my my thing is more of a if it's already in existence and I have to accept that versus pretending like I got my freedoms then it's like yo as long as I don't do anything wrong that's going to help me in the long run. I'm just saying like if if it's if it progresses and it's meant to eventually be more accurate in a shorter period of time. >> You know who didn't do anything wrong? This lady who got almost popped by the cops because she's not a porch pirate. And and because of this dystopian reality that we're in, she almost got popped and she had to prove her innocence instead of innocent till proven guilty. >> But you're going to trust the system. >> That's just like saying the very first ████ cars that were built exploded randomly and people died. It didn't mean that we weren't moving towards >> that's different from surveillance.

3:23 >> You're talking about progress. Progress isn't surveillance. >> I'm not saying I love it. I'm saying we're not going to be able to fight it as if we had a choice. >> Hey, I hope you lose your mail campaign, dude. I hope you lose. People fought back against red light cameras and they became unconstitutional. >> Exactly. There's hope. Actually, >> you know, you know how I would be for it? >> I would I would be for it if they rolled it out the way everything else rolls out. So, if there's a small control group and they go these are the metrics that we're after. So, like let's say we're reducing homicide, whatever, theft or whatever, and you do in a small group, this small city, you test it. You beta test everything, right? If it works and the metrics are actually improving, then we slowly expand slowly. But the problem is when they implement stuff like this, we never see the metrics. Somehow the metrics get worse and now

4:13 whatever we had had in place is just now part of the policing >> because it's frog on a hot plate. They don't want you to know that they're turning the temperature up. >> Yeah. It's like the It's like the TSA, right? It's like it's here to prevent another 9/11 and then now it's just here forever. >> And now it's even useless, too. Like, sorry. I know we have a lot of TSA guys. I love you guys, but you guys know that you don't really change anything or protect us that much. Like, they every year some news organization like smuggles a bunch of ████ through TSA. Like, every single year. >> My homie lets me smuggle ████ through TSA. >> There you go. >> But, but thanks for throwing away our soap, though. Thanks a lot. >> Obviously, I'd rather live in a society where I'm not being surveiled. I just don't think that's realistic. So if it comes in a situation where the technology does through small group or through time evolve to a place where it does work, then yeah, when they when

5:03 they send out those ████ Amber alerts and everybody gets the same text in the room, but within 30 seconds that vehicle or something actually is found, I'm like, cool. I I don't feel like I'm going to be under threat because I'm not actually doing some weird ████ like that. So to me and my community, and my society, part of me is it's hard for me to be like, that's not >> I could team Anthony. I could team Anthony and help you out real quick cuz there are positive things, right? Where you where when when when there's a missing kid, a kidnapping, when there's something where you have to act immediately, you could tap into the system and you could be like, "Oh, okay. So, here's a car and it's going here now." And you can immediately real time catch, right? So, and there are there are cases like that where yeah, it makes sense. >> Batman, >> I'll help you with this once, but then I resigned from Wayne Enterprises. >> That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. I get it. All right. So, and the password is ████

5:54 fox or whatever. >> But what about for like I guess because I look at it the same way as you in a way where I'm like I don't plan on committing any crazy ass crimes. I'm okay with you know something working for my benefit because I'm not the criminal. But what if something just thinks my mom did something and she didn't? And and then we don't have to prove it in court anymore like he's saying. It's just here's a video and that's her. And I'm like no it's not and I can't win. >> I feel like the true omocron take is like if I'm stupid enough to get caught they should catch me. take me to prison. >> Absolutely. If I'm dumb enough to get caught, for sure. I got to get better at crime. But then I just think that there's I don't know if it's at that level yet where we should be accepting of it. >> Yeah. I'm not going to I'm not going to love it while it's happening. I'm just saying >> you're just loving it a little bit. >> You're cucking to the system a little bit. >> Yeah, a lot of bit. >> But it's going to happen anyway. Take it up the butt. I may have spent the the

6:45 last year complaining more about like the injustices of things that should have been justified versus the things that were like that was wrongfully or unfair. I'm just saying based off of stats. Just even being a JK News host where we're just overly looking at every ████ thing that's happening in the world all at the same time. >> Well, apparently not cuz you didn't even know what flot cameras were, dude. Jesus Christ. >> That's So that's your argument. Am >> I wrong? >> That's your one argument right now. >> Am I wrong? You didn't even know this was happening. Okay. So, debunk the one statement versus the concept. That's where you're at with the conversation. >> The concept is easy. The concept is easy. We we there's we didn't agree to this. >> Yeah. That's the thing. It's like no, nobody voted. Different individual individual communities should have had the right whether or not they wanted that ████ all over their neighborhood >> just like red light cameras >> or speed cameras on the freeway, you know? And then the way they convince you is typically it's for your safety. It's for the greater good. And then they'll

7:36 give my kidnapping example and everyone goes, "That seems sensible." >> Until it goes, well, we're going to have everyone's profile and there's going to be a malicious person in the police department that changes maybe this person's record or whatever, you get caught up in the system. And if the state is corrupt, they can use this stuff against you. >> It's the gun crime argument. Hey, if you all turn in your guns, we can lower gun violence. And then all good guys turn in their guns and gun violence still exists. Do you really believe they won't sell all this information for ads? >> That's my main thing. >> Do you not believe that they're going to monetize the fact they know where you are at all times? >> My my main thing is uh when they have your data, like everyone's data, and they sell it to the major corporations who are going to buy it cuz they can afford it. Now, they're going to sell you things that you don't even know that you need. And then now you're like, do I

8:26 actually have control of my life or am I being misled by someone else? And that part scares me. But Anthony hat right now they already have you. >> It's too ████ easy. You guys are all ████ hive mind anyway. It's too ████ easy. >> What are we talking about then? >> Anthony slowly breaking apart. >> Anthony hat. >> Like I want to be monitored, ████ Let's go. >> No. No. Think about it like this. Every time you use Google Maps, you think they're not tracking you. They don't know everything that you're doing. Like there's a certain amount of this that we we are open to and we're down for. And they already sell your information that way. >> They already know the path that you take to work and home. track. Have you guys heard of right track on your car insurance? You go into a 90-month period when you sign up a new uh car insurance deal and in oh sorry not 90 month 90day period 3 months right where in your app they're tracking you via your phone. You have to sign up for it. If you sign up

9:16 for it then they're monitoring your acceleration, your braking and your speed patterns for your car for 90 days and you have to toggle. Obviously sometimes you might be a passenger so you have to actually log in your thing >> how much money you actually save. How much cheaper is it? So off top for my particular deal to even like start that number one I guarantee we're saved over 600 bucks on my car insurance renewal just to do the program and then when I do the program if I get a good enough score on average people are saving anywhere from like 1,500 no sorry uh something to like $300 to $1,500 on top after that. It just depends on your score. On average most people don't get $1,500 worth of savings. He drives like a ████ saint. If somebody like cuts you off and you slam on the brakes, that's a moment that that you can't fight, you know? So, in general, if I

10:08 can save even another 600 on top, that's a big deal. What do I got to do though? Submit my data to the point where somebody is tracking me. Do I know all the other third party elements? No. Do I care enough to like chase it or figure it out? No. Because I'm a lowly peasant that goes like I could save $600. I try and and that's my reality. That's all I'm saying. That's the first thing you said to me that makes sense cuz I like deals. >> But what if But you don't like when deals are forced on you. >> That's a fact. >> You don't like if someone's like, "Hey, guess what? Now we're tracking your braking and speeding so you can save money." But you didn't ask for that. >> I get pissed when they put too many coupons in my ████ mailbox. Dude, >> I will say though, if they didn't tell me any of that, they sent me a $600 coupon later and like, "Hey, we was tracking you the whole time." I'd be like, "Thank you." >> And they put a camera right on your street looking at your house. you wouldn't care to make sure that you're backing out of your driveway at a safe speed or something. Like whatever the

10:58 reason is, like you wouldn't mind that there's now a camera that anyone can access. Like even an employee, it's not like robots are watching. Real people are ████ with this ████ >> There's a red box on Nah's ass as she gets out of the car. >> If we're doing a logical conversation, of course I'm mine. I just I'm I'm just a little bit more of a uh let let me go farther. I'm a little bit more pessimistic about the concept of like surveillance and our privacy and and all those decisions. >> It's cuz you're Chinese, bro. Just ████ say it. Just ████ say it. Don't spray it, boy. >> You're Chinese. >> I'd start dancing. >> Performing for the guy. I'm just thinking they must have a s█████ job. Like looking at 50,000 screens. Just ████ Give them something. >> Well, they only they only are really looking at it when they're trying to get you for something. That's my problem with it. >> I I think it's all I think it's all AI

11:49 anyway. You know what it's like when let's say um someone who works at Facebook just doesn't like a company. >> They can ████ that company up metrically like in in insane amounts and never get checked on it. If someone at Twitter, someone at YouTube didn't like us, they could suppress our ████ to no end. >> Susan Wajeski didn't like me very much. Tell you that. >> Yeah, for sure. But then why why add more things that people can ████ you on? cuz that's happening with this so many there's a lot of examples already of just dudes stalking people >> or people they don't like women they have you know had problems with it's that's happening a ton and it's just the guy that has access >> little all day preview tomorrow. Um we're going to talk about a story about a cop who used his cop privileges to pull a ████ over just to impress her.

12:40 So he thinks to show her that he knows where she was and ████ and he thought it was tight that he did that. >> I probably would do that if I was really >> all Steve day preview access. >> Low key though that's kind of a sick move. >> You think he thought it was sick but then he like lost his job. >> I'll give you my reaction on all Steve Day >> coming soon. Steve day.

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