0:05 Welcome back to another episode of Careful Boys. Do you guys want a really sad story or do you want um a kind of sad story that's kind of funny also? Sad and sad. You want double sad? You want double sad? >> cuz we're really good at making sad sad into really funny. All right, so this is a really very double sad story, okay? This is in 1978 in Modesto, California. You guys know Modesto? Yeah, it's my neighbor. Nice, yeah, yeah. So, this is in '78. There's this 15-year-old girl, her name is Mary Vincent, and she ran away from home. She's walking along the highway, hitchhiking, which as you did back in the '70s, I guess. >> Yeah, probably Highway 99. They definitely had leaf springs in this thing. So, she's walking down the highway and a blue van pulls over
0:56 and a guy offers her a ride. It's a 51-year-old man, his name's Lawrence, and she decides to get in with >> is she? 15. Yeah, 15. Was that legal back then? I think it was smiled upon back then. >> [laughter] >> This guy probably has carpet. He has carpet in his van. So, yeah, he probably has a carpet in his van. Paint sign on says shag wagon. Exactly. Yeah, so Mary gets in. They decide to you know drive along together and they're down the highway. He actually stops a few other times to offer rides to other people that were along the road, but they didn't end up picking up anyone else, so they just keep going. Eventually, it's just the two of them in the van. They end up on a deserted road and then Lawrence suddenly attacks Mary and knocks her unconscious. While she's out, Lawrence removes all
1:48 her clothes, ties her up, and sexually assaults her as you do. Don't point at me, dude. >> [laughter] >> The next morning as you commonly do. You know how it goes. But honestly, we know how the story was Once we found out it was a 15-year-old hitchhiker, we knew where the story was going. So, the next morning, she wakes up tied up and Lawrence is over her saying like, "Oh, you want to be set free? I'll set you free." Then he grabs a hatchet and he chops off both of her arms. What the ████ >> Ryan, dude. >> And he throws her into a ravine and drives off. And then point at Joe and say, "As you do." To do it, you got to even it out, dude. To one of us. What kind of psycho do you have to be to have like that patience? Right? Like they drove Modesto and then
2:39 they drove like 3 hours. And you just have that, you know what I mean? Like cuz I understand rage. Right? Like Vasquez or whatever, something someone did something to his his nephew or his daughter. He chased after him and shot him. I got to understand that. I 100% But to just to be like calm in the van like, "Hey, you need a ride?" And then you're just chilling. >> time you're thinking about, "Ooh, I can't wait to get home to get some fried chicken." >> Yeah. You have like 3 hours. Yeah, that's crazy. >> So, he she's down in this ravine, no arms. She's alive. Yeah, she's alive. At this point >> She's bleeding out and ████ >> she's left to die and she starts thinking, "I can't let him do this to someone else." So, she forcibly packs dirt into the wounds where her arms used to be to stop the bleeding and she crawls 30 ft up the ravine and about a day later, two people spotted her walking down the road totally naked and armless. YEAH. WOW.
3:32 JESUS CHRIST. SO, they rush her to the hospital and she survives. And during her recovery, she works with the police to like sketch the guy to try to like find him and they're able to identify him. They end up arresting and convicting Lawrence Singleton. That's the guy's name. And and yeah, that's he ended up in in jail, convicted. They got him. And he's getting boned. But even though he was found guilty of attempted murder, mayhem, kidnapping, and multiple sexual assault >> Mayhem? I didn't know that was a whole sentence. Like a charge? You could get charged for mayhem? Yeah, and he ended up only serving 8 years. So, he's out. He's chopping. Well, what happened is this is still this is still like what, '86? So, upon him about to be
4:22 released, there was so many protests against him getting out that they forced him to live in a trailer on San Quentin, like on the prison grounds. Because he just couldn't go anywhere. So, he ends up deciding to move to Florida and once once he's in Florida, he ends up murdering another woman. >> Oh my god. >> Her name's Roxanne Hayes, mother of three. He just for no reason just like stabs her to death, this random lady. So, then Mary, who's you know um has recovered. She has like hooks for arms at this point. She travels to Florida >> [laughter] >> ████ yeah. travels to Florida to testify in court against like to share her story about what happened so that hopefully they can get him a more stronger conviction and they end up sentencing him to death. FLORIDA DEATH.
5:12 BUT BUT BEFORE THEY could even like execute him, he died of cancer 3 years later in 2001. Um and so this whole like series of events, the reason I'm sharing it that was very interesting is that it led to a California legislation called the Singleton Bill, which is named after that guy, um which prevents early release of offenders who commit any crime where torture's involved. Can you believe that's a new ████ thing? That's a new law that like 2025, we're going to we're going to get on this. >> Oh, you're a sadistic ████ Let's let you out early. I think they made that law in the '80s. But yeah, that bill um That is probably like a hot topic though. Like I I I listen to a lot of ████ about El Salvador, right? Who cleaned up their ████ because one is a Bitcoin country and two like they were like top 10 murders in the world. They haven't had one in 2 years. Well, that's cuz they
6:02 sent back all their gangsters here. I think they >> [laughter] >> some. No, I think a lot they just prisoned up though. Like they they said like you have a gang tattoo, oh, and your cousin's in a gang, you're not? Oh, you're going to jail, too. Which is obvious Yeah, which is obviously you got to go overboard, but if you have an extreme situation, how do you combat an extreme situation? And so like America, it seems like a lot of that's loosey-goosey, man. You're doing violent ████ and you're all letting out early. Well, all the big news the biggest news story is that happened or in about like crime, right? It's always guys who have like 15 arrests. Like the the girl that got stabbed on the train. That dude had like 14 assault charges. >> And the guy that the guy that burned the other girl like recently, did you see that? >> didn't see that. >> Like set some girl on fire in the subway and that dude had like 70 >> a girl on fire? Yeah, like what are we
6:54 talking about here? If you're violent, like the chances are and I don't know all the data. I wish we would put more money into like the rehabilitation and find the psychology. Like do they need mushrooms? Like how do we fix these ████ But if you can't fix them, Nope, they're a threat to society. >> Right? You got to set them on fire with hatchet arms. I mean, that's that's what they did old school style. Like it just I don't see any other way. It's a burden. Like people have to watch them, take care of them, pay for them. Yeah. By the time you're chopping people up, like you kind of got to die. Yeah, so that guy um to fill you in on that, it happened in Chicago. It was just a 26-year-old girl sitting on the train and a guy doused her in gasoline and lit her on fire. >> What the ████ >> Let's with like I think over 60% of her
7:44 body is completely burned. This guy had 72 prior arrests. >> 72? How much is enough? >> That's 25% of a year. Convictions. But he's still out. Why? But in my head it's like I really need want to know like how does a guy like this escape the system? >> No, let's put on our empathy hats, right? We're five low-T men. We got to have some empathy in here. My empathy is if you get arrested more than five times, you should have lifetime in jail. So, yeah, that's where I'm headed. YOU GET FIVE ████ DUIS AND THEY'RE JUST LIFE in prison? FIVE YOU GET FIVE DUIS, BRO, THEN YEAH, YOU'RE DONE, DUDE. I mean, that's what the three strike in California was and that's a hot topic cuz they're looking at it again, the three strikes, you know, like but but no, literally though. You chop a 15-year-old girl's arms off, clean off. What is the absolute We have We have
8:34 just below God himself rehabilitate that guy. What's the best case What's the best case scenario for that guy's rehabilitation? >> come back. That's the saddest thing is that they actually did do a a bunch of those What is it called? They they tried to rehabilitate him and the the reports were always this guy has no hope. They were saying that straight up. They said, "Well, what's the absolute best?" They said this guy he's They said that the guy the killer, he said they said he's not taking accountability for anything he's done and he keeps reworking it in his brain to acquit himself. How does he justify himself? Like that girl deserved it. She was like >> know. He's apparently just like telling himself something He's too delusional. >> Yeah, he's just like nuts. >> You got to get rid of him, dude. You got to set him on fire. So, she ultimately that's what she wanted, but you know, they didn't listen and they let him out and he killed another woman. >> Why do you Why did they let him out? >> That's the that's the girl that uh
9:24 Why did they let him out? That's what I don't understand. >> issue is is it's the system, right? So, letting him out and another life dying, there's no one to take the blame. Right? You blame the system, but like no one Should we blame the judge that that allowed it? And they get burned? Like Someone has to take responsibility. [laughter] >> There has to be a chain of command, dude. You can't get away with this. >> Yeah, they don't cuz they just say, "Oh, the cops or oh, the the therapist said this or oh, the judge said that." And it just like goes. >> How much do you think it would change when the people that let people out have to start getting punished for doing that? You you a little bit of responsibility in job. Right? If you're the one that says, "No, he's clear, he's changed, he's good." You're making that call. Cuz I think what should happen is like a vouch system. Yeah. So, like if you are going to vouch for this guy, and if he ████ up, then it's on you, and now you have to Now these are the
10:14 consequences. You either go to jail, you were like cuz you you ████ It's like the buddy system. I think that should happen. >> I think if it's the exact same crime, for sure. Like if he if he killed someone, and he go, "No, he's good to go." and he kills again, you lose your license, or you go to jail, whatever. >> sure should get a different job. And this guy was 51 when he did this. When you're 50, bro, you ain't That's a old dog. You got high You got high teeth, probably. You're not teaching him anything new, bro. No, I think I think if you violate That guy? Yeah, that's the guy. We don't We got a million guys that look like this. >> No, I think if you violate it If you If this dude got a parking ticket, he should have a death penalty. >> [laughter] >> That's true. If you do something that crazy, you ████ up a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's what parole's supposed to be, right? Like you're supposed to tell them every second you're out. But like, yeah, I just don't see a coming back for a guy like that. The more severe your crime
11:04 is, the better you have to be on your best best behavior. Yeah, you got to be a little saint, bro. I do agree with If I hit a cyclist with my car, okay, maybe 6 months. 6 months, right? Accident. But if, you know, if I chopped off that guy's arms and sexually assaulted that guy, This is the dude with 73 He can't [laughter] even take a take a mug shot correctly. That guy has ████ lost his mind. 72 arrests. Joe's right though. There's If there's no accountability and responsibility from the system or the judge, and even if we go deeper into that, the judge is making a call based on word of mouth. We're playing the game of telephone. Right? He's not observing how this person's acting now. He's going by some therapist, some lawyer. So, now we're playing a whole game of telephone. I don't know you, and I'm going to and I'm making the call whether you're good to go or not. That's insanity.
11:54 Yeah, and also I think it's like you don't have to live next to them. But what if what if the judge has to live with the person they release? >> Yeah, it's got to be your roommate. >> Yeah. You got to take care of his ass for a little bit. >> Yep. And then they go, "No, Y'ALL [laughter] ████ UP. YOU'RE STAYING IN THERE, MOTHERFUCKER." YEAH, YOU He's got to live with your daughter for a little bit. Oh, you're going to let that 15-year-old live with your daughter for a little bit? Is he good to go free now? Is he good to go to free now? Can the judge even lose their position if if these things happen? Are they are they like uh pic like uh trying to administer some kind of like new bill that'll sound similar to what we're talking about? I know there's a lot of judge ████ going on because of the politic game. I don't think it's cuz of actually caring about people game. It's about them being swayed by a political party. And so, I do think there's talks of it, all that going on, like who owns the DOJ and who's paying for them and all that, but I don't think it's actually about caring for the people again. No, there There does need to be a little
12:44 revamp there. >> have different agendas all the time. And whatever they're trying to achieve for that administration, everyone falls in line as a as one camp. >> Right. Cuz this is where the money's going, and who's going to vote you in next, and who's going to make you the top dog. Yeah, it's all just ████ >> to protect citizens, or else she would have, you know, he would have never got out after he committed that crime on her. Look, man, I'm voting Bukele 2028. Bukele Bukele They think he has a coke problem. Have you heard that? Does it bother you?
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