0:00 When I met Hannah on Grindr >> It was an accident. >> But she doesn't know how to use technology. >> She filed it wrong. >> it wrong, yeah. >> Luigi Mangione, bro. >> You know he lived near our building? >> Yeah, he he he's the one who talked him into it. >> I told him to do it. >> She allegedly >> The first time we all used Instagram, we were actually taking photos of ████ we did in our lives and it was like a real capturing of a moment that happened and now it's fabricated. It's a fabrication of how sick our life actually isn't. >> So you guys know that like as dating apps became more popular, like you guys remember match.com? >> Yeah. >> So that was like the old school like URL like website way of like finding somebody, finding a partner, whatever. That company grew so big, they started absorbing other match sites. >> It's just another dating site, right? >> Yeah, but it's like the master dating site. They started buying up like other
0:52 apps when they came out in like the modern day tech world or whatever. And this is an interesting thing. So apparently it's been found out that the design of dating apps, all the apps that we use today, it's all based around you not finding a partner. >> What? >> Oh, that makes sense. >> Genius. >> Oh, ████ Big dating app. >> It's Yeah, exactly. >> You know, I did see a stat where like when people get married or in a relationship, they stop using Facebook. >> That's true. >> Yeah, that makes sense. >> That makes sense. >> That's why I don't use Facebook. >> Yeah, so apparently like the whole reason that it's being acquired by Match is to what they do is as soon as a dating platform even remotely works well, where people are like loving it. Oh, I love Plenty of Fish or I love Bumble or whatever, then it gets acquired and the format changes and it
1:42 becomes adjusted so that you never find a partner. >> So they're just acquiring the database. >> Yeah. >> But then the goal is like modern medicine where it never cures you, but you just kind of stay in the system. >> Keeps you sick. >> And and it's one of the things where like you may have a better chance if you put more money into the app because like Like Scientology. Yeah, there's some apps where like >> in dancing classes. >> How do you know about that level of premium payments? >> You never actually learn how to dance. >> Sidebar, how do they How do they How do they keep you bad at dancing? >> That's Ask him. >> Is that a real thing? Can we just move on? Okay. So, um >> Cuz so much >> One of the ways that they do it is like apparently, um you know how like I've I've never I don't have experience using these this way, but some of them will hide qualities of a person and you have to pay more to find out if you have uh A B and C in common with them. But if you don't pay, then you you're basically
2:32 being matched with someone like purposely that you don't have uh commonalities with. Let's say that this person Let's say you're like for some reason you're uh I don't know, you're Orthodox Christian. It's going to show you ████ Muslims. You know what I mean? Like it's going to be like, "Oh, you don't you won't like" >> But it has all the other checkboxes off? Or or or does it Like like maybe it's um your you are Christian, right? And then And then you you want Christian, but then you didn't pay for this service, but you also wanted like X Y Z other things. And so it gives you X Y Z other things, but knows that this is a really hardcore thing that's very difficult for marriages to be successful in. Does it do it like that at that detail? >> I I mean, my example is pretty extreme. I don't even know if that's one of them, but I I do know that when you're not paying to even see the other qualities, you're not being implemented fairly into
3:22 the app. >> you static the whole time. >> I kind of see that happening, because if you need to keep dating, you're not going to leave the app, right? And then like >> Yeah. >> I kind of see this in the um like What's that? Like we use it ████ Not ZipRecruiter, but um >> Indeed. >> Indeed. So, like if you don't pay for the premium, they send you the ████ s████████ quality, and then you get very low responses. Well, you also get a lot of scams. >> Yeah. But when you pay, it's just one after the other. You're getting emails of like the best candidates and you're just like, what the ████ >> Oh, wow. >> Yeah. >> So, it's been a thing where like people are kind of wondering like, wow, why are like dating apps being like uh they're just so harder so much harder to get success in love and it wasn't their imagination. Like the actual business model, it actually like is public now. >> Makes sense. >> It makes sense from a business point of
4:12 view, for sure. >> So, that whole study about like uh which one was it? Was it Tinder or whatever where they're like uh black women and Asian guys get the least amount of ████ uh responses? >> I don't even know. Is that Was that an actual like they really did that study? >> that study, but that I thought it was like fake. It was I was fake, yeah. >> Yeah. >> It didn't really happen. Apparently, like somebody just claimed it and then they said it was a study, but it wasn't. >> I don't I wouldn't be surprised if they did it like a casino, too. Where they know after every like let's say three or four swipes or whatever, it's a super hot chick. So, you just get just enough dopamine to stay on. So, you're you're technically aren't finding matches, but then they don't want you to go, man, ████ this app. I can't see anybody. So, every four or whatever the number is, you keep going, oh ████ what the hell was that? >> Yeah. >> But, at that point, you don't even need it to be a match because I think the human experience is like, if somebody's hot, you're like,
5:03 they don't they don't want kids, but maybe we could figure it out. >> Exactly. >> I love ████ right? >> Exactly. >> The male mind is pretty ████ dumb. >> She's really funny. >> And then I'll keep paying the whatever $20 a month or whatever however many is a month just to keep the dopamine in the system. >> that's just the male mind. >> I think it's the female mind, too. >> For sure, yeah. Just like the guy that they made that fake account where it was like a guy who who wrote that he had a sex offender record or something or that he or that he beat he had domestic abuse charges. And then the matches for women were like hundreds. >> Luigi Mangione, bro. >> Yeah, but but he didn't But he didn't But he didn't beat a woman. >> Well, he he assassinated a guy in public. >> Well, that's kind of even guys think that's cool. >> Yeah, it's kind of cool. Yeah, it's kind of cool. >> You know he lived near our building? >> Oh, in >> Bongi, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> Yeah, yeah, he he he he's the one who talked him into it. >> What the heck?
5:53 >> I I told him to do it. >> Gee, allegedly. >> And then Joe double dared him. >> Sponsored by June B. >> He was whispering through the wall. >> Yeah, allegedly. Before we get a second look. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> You don't get a second look. >> No, we don't get a second look. >> We don't want a second look. >> They happen. >> Isn't it funny though that that it's not just in people's imagination anymore? That >> It's real. >> They thought that it was them or that it's our it's my fault. I'm not doing something right. I my profile's not correct. I need to have this and that. >> Okay, so sure, let's be meta about this then. >> Um >> Isn't it our fault? >> What do you mean? >> Like the people at the end of the day perpetuate and get what they want. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, at the end of the day if enough people are using it for things of that nature. If it's not everybody's looking for a relationship and then suddenly it turns to a just meet people and hook up app, like then the system is going to reward like that thing. It's it's the same way
6:43 social media has developed the way it did, right? Like the system ends up the algorithm rewards things that inevitably make human beings kind of like tweak. >> Yeah, I get what you're saying. It's kind of like news, right? Like the the bad news sells. So, >> Um >> But I wonder if we're thinking about if it's just like Tinder or like what Match.com and these other ones are supposed to be more >> They acquire everything that So, let's say that >> Let's do the original one. eHarmony. >> eHarmony, yeah. >> Let's say that there is an app that comes out. It's not owned by Match. Whatever, it's just their own independent thing. And they actually are The goal is You know, they all say in the beginning, uh your goal is to delete this app and you don't need it anymore cuz you found love. That's that's the selling point. And then there are people that, you know, let's say cutting out the whole hookup crowd. They're all on Tinder already. They know they know what's about. But if
7:33 they're trying to find love, they're getting a new app and they're just like this might be the one. >> Like the one that's supposed to be more like relationship. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, they're all trying to be like the marketing ploy now is that anytime a new app comes out, it's because it's in defiance of all the stuff that's already there, right? >> And then once they get popular >> It gets absorbed. Yeah, so it eventually will become >> equity. >> Yeah, exactly. It ruins everything. >> It's absolutely private equity. So, it's going to get absorbed and be part of that bismol. The same way that you can't make sunglasses before Oakley comes knocking at your door. >> But But then that's that's, you know, the eventualism in a capitalist society is the same thing as like um music and record labels, right? When your only shot to be successful is to co- assign into a record label or be signed, then that's all it is. And then generations pass or enough time pass, and then every the record labels take so much from you, but you're strong enough and we have new powers like social
8:23 media, and then it's like, "Let me re-record my masters." Or let me be an independent artist and just use blah blah blah. So, it's the eventualism, I think, is is natural. The first time we all used Instagram, we were actually taking photos of ████ we did in our lives, and that was like a real capturing of a moment that happened. And now it's fabricated. It's a fabrication of how sick our life actually isn't, right? We do We pick our ████ top 10% and then we share that cuz it's cool. And I get it. So, the same eventualism will happen to the dating world, right? At first, eHarmony people were for real finding people that like were looking at it that way. And then as as enough of these apps come out in defiance before they get swallowed, the industry will grow so big that two things you're going to go off dating apps and just go the old-school way, and that's going to be trending. And or a new app that comes out and stays independent, doesn't want to be bought out for some righteous reason.
9:13 >> Well, it's like what happened at Maker Studios. I mean, I remember everyone was there, and we were all making videos for love of the game, and like we didn't even Like you didn't make much money on making ████ YouTube back then, you guys know that. And then you know, Disney comes in and buys it up, and then that original founder's vision of like we we like to make vids for the for the kids and stuff. That gets taken and swallowed up by Mickey Mouse, and now it's just like make videos, like corporatism. So, that's just kind of what happens. Like and every single day if we were the owner of Maker Studio and we were going to get bought by Mickey Mouse, every ████ person in the universe is going to do it at that point. >> Think of Burger Homie we had in here. He's like, "When you're at my He's like, "When you're at my restaurant, it's like you're my neighbor. You're sitting down at my table." You know, Burger Homie was saying that. >> Yeah, and if McDonald's buy him, what's going to happen? >> It's It's not going to have that same familial thing. And we all know that. But he has a ████ price like everybody else. Like he'll he'll sell
10:04 out his vision for for that sweet check. >> But the key is to sell and then keep a new vision, a new vision. And so, you're always at the beginning. >> Exactly. >> Yeah. >> Unless you're like In-N-Out and you stick to your guns and then you don't let nobody buy you out, but you're able to grow your ████ >> There are some like that, yeah. Like Chick-fil-A. >> Yeah. >> In-N-Out. REI. Patagonia. I feel like there's some companies that stick to their guns. >> Or Sriracha. What? >> They got drama. >> But yeah, I think it's a pretty interesting thing that like the more desperate you get in like date in the dating app world of like trying to make this work, the more deeper down the hole of like impossibility you go. You know, like it's like it's actually it's it's working now for a lot of people are saying that like, "Dude, for the first
10:54 time ever, your chances are way ████ higher just being yourself in public than it is like trying to like meet people with the intention of like finding partners." You know, like it's supposed to streamline it. Tech- technically, dating apps are supposed to cut all the other stuff out and be like, "I'm trying to meet someone who wants to meet someone who wants to have something meaningful." But now, even that's been compromised. It's pretty crazy. >> pretty tough. >> But it it really is like social media apps though, right? It's like the first people that jump on something that will work or that is a good idea, they really benefit and everybody else gets to participate or hope for the best, right? And it's like same thing. It's at the very first time each app like same with Tinder. I remember when Tinder came out and it was like a for real like >> Yeah, you you were killing it. >> I was not killing it. >> He's like, "I didn't know you can't get matches." >> No, I have friends that got married off Tinder.
11:44 >> Oh, wow. >> Yeah, that's dope. But then seeing how it like it really kind of turned into like you just kind of hook up and stuff. But I get it. The more >> Yeah, it'll like change shape. >> Yeah, and then a new app came out. I remember when Coffee Meets Bagel came out the same or Hinge or whatever. It's like same thing. I was hearing success stories in the beginning. And then it get more saturated, so. >> That is true. Yeah, it is going to conform to whoever's using it most and for whatever reason. >> So I think it's it's natural and it's part of the process and I used to hate on dating apps because I thought that that was so like unnatural. And then, you know, like after you get out of long-term relationship and everybody's using dating apps and you realize that there's success, you're like, "Oh, let me try it." You try it for like one day and realistically only your friends are swiping for you because they think it's hilarious and then you're like, "F███ it, this sucks." >> That is hella funny. >> Find your people you know, yeah. That was all it was when my one blip in the
12:34 dating app was my one week of being single or whatever the ████ and then your friends are just doing it for you. You don't even have a say. So that that that part of it is fun and that's what ends up becoming, you know, unless you're like uber serious and you're like, "I'm looking only for a certain blah blah blah." Chances are like a Facebook group, you're going to find those same people have the exact same like necessity of depth and then it might work for you. >> I also think people do people do this to themselves, too. Like my brother met his chick on Hinge and he got married like last year. And but I think if he if he had this like I think new found new mindset of like "Maybe I could find someone a little better, a little better, a little better." You're never going to, you know, settle down. >> Yeah, that's true. >> You're just going to always go, "I have more selections on my phone. I should check it out." >> Yeah. >> When I met Hannah on Grindr
13:25 >> It was an accident. >> Yeah, like I was I was looking men, but she doesn't know how to use technology, so she had >> She filed it wrong for her profile, yeah. >> Happy accident. >> That is serendipity. That's true romance. That's God's divine ████ greatness. >> And I wasn't like, maybe better, maybe better. I was like, better than a guy. >> And she's the one that didn't know technology. >> I'm banned from um >> Grindr? >> No. I maybe I I did this thing called catfish marketing where I would make fake profile I'll make a profile real profile of me. This is when I was in my odd job that I had like the I was in the men of Hawaii calendar. >> Yeah. >> So I used that photo as the first one. And I'll be like, only here to hook up dot dot dot with people to support with deals to support local businesses. Check out hawaiiverse.com.
14:15 >> Oh, I see. >> So I would do that and then the next Tinder, Hinge, everything. And I would that's why I'm banned cuz I kept getting reported. >> Marketing with it. >> But but it would work. I would have people I would swipe on every dude, all genders, all locations, all ages. I would just do this. I would match with like ████ and like all kind people. And I some people would be like, hey, I love Hawaiiverse. I love your business. And I'll be like, cool. Or they would message me and I'm like, oh, I'm just here to like market my I'll I'll be honest. Um but >> I can see why you're banned. >> And even my even my podcast in the beginning, I would like have clips of my podcast. >> Oh, on Tinder? >> Uh I think it's Hinge. >> You got to be the worst enemy of these apps That's smart. >> Yeah, I even like it worked. It's catfish marketing. >> Like people would see it and they do or they would it would affirm me like they're seeing my stuff cuz they'll be
15:05 like, hey, I follow I I follow you or >> I really like I really like your podcast. We should collab sometime. >> Yeah. Come to my house. Should collab on a date. >> Yeah. But but basically it's like you get whatever you want from it.
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