0:00 because that was not a normal song yeah but then like Ed Sheeran's is just a slow ballad with the freaking you know like it's like all of his songs it doesn't share characteristics it only shares chord progression which is different didn't Ken just get busted for copying a bunch of Millie Vanilli dance moves Millie Vanilli [Music] ant so is anybody familiar or caught up with uh Ed Sheeran's uh trial oh yeah ongoing just ended against the Marvin gayest yeah wait what happened against the Marvin Gaye's thing no no no no they were suing him yeah co-writers of Marvin Gaye's Let's Get It On yeah uh we're suing Ed Sheeran for plagiarism for his song Thinking Out Loud have you heard that why do you think it sounds alike nope I don't you know yeah let's let's
0:51 consult the uh musician here so I I think it sounds similar what are the two songs can you help me I forgot what the do do do do do do do do that's the freaking nature that's Marvin Gaye so yeah come on come on come on come on darling stop being around the booze those two are similar no they have similar chord progressions they have similar chord progressions but those chords have been around since the beginning of time yeah we need we need here an actual music position talk about like what constitutes plagiarism and also the context of like same thing like musician it's like uh I I could speak on it and dance at the end of the day we all have the same two arms and two legs there's only so many types of combinations to try and rework movement but like from a musician's point of view
1:42 like what what is the basis for it it's there's no way you can it's it's enough to be able to State the case but it's not enough to make it winnable because the Robin Thicke song and the Marvin Gaye one it sounds very similar that one was conceptually similar because they had like little things here and there that were like almost like the way they made this almost sounded like a tribute to that yeah it's like parody yeah that was not a normal song yeah but then like Ed Sheeran's is just a slow ballad with the freaking you know like it's like all of his songs it doesn't share characteristics it only shares chord progression which is different didn't Kendra's get busted for copying a bunch of Millie Vanilli dance moves okay OG lip syncers oh Millie Vanilli dance
2:32 moves that is the craziest [Laughter] did they do like New Jack Swing style it was 90s yeah and then they went like this a lot obviously our secret signature trademarks it looks like you guys yeah yeah but it's it's it shares chord it shares similar chords but you can't put trademarks or anything on chords so it doesn't make sense and that's ultimately what happened when you say similar chords are they the same chord progression like the same at some points they're similar they're not exactly the same and they don't always stay in that same order like so like let's get it on has a bridge that Ed Sheeran song has no similarities to whatsoever uh uh but
3:23 then it's it's on those those little hooks that they're like oh see we put them side by side and they're kind of but you can do that with so many songs that's how people make medleys right they kind of are all in the same key and they kind of like oh that Sound flow so that song absolutely yeah absolutely do you think that because Marvin Gaye's not making music anymore the family is like we need likes angles Lula I mean I think I think they got a little heady after they won that last one um who do they win against like Robin Thicke yeah they want to and they basically want a lot of money so they're coming after everybody kind of business model number it seems like because of that maybe they're like oh we can get this too so if you're a music lawyer or you gotta you gotta be able to play the keys and be good at law yeah you gotta know it all right because you got to be able to be like oh legally uh-huh uh-huh okay yeah yep yeah they won uh they won 5.3 million dollars from
4:14 that that sheesh I think when the when they do those copyright laws and and Court the lawyer also busts out a Casio yeah and he starts playing the keys did you ever see uh The Boondocks episode where R Kelly's on yeah and then they're like to stay this case they just throw him a mic and he performs [Laughter] [Applause] what did you think of the Robin Thicke song versus um I I thought it's shared characteristics I was surprised that that happened though that it won yeah I was surprised but I think it was just too maybe it was just close enough that the jury was sometimes you know like in the 70s I feel like the bands should sue themselves like you'll follow like like barcays or whatever right like a funk band or even
5:04 ████ like Lakeside they got five songs that sound the same yeah I'm like bro you need to sue yourself ████ you don't have any original creatures to the ████ every single sounds like higher creatures chew themselves into Oblivion dude so should the two unlimited the ones that go every song they have is that yeah is it really yeah that's the name of the band I've always want to know what those ████ sounded like yeah I was surprised at that that one but the the thing is it did share similar like it was the conceptual side they were like listen to like how it has this like the little dingy thing like there's so much about it that seemed like it was trying to recreate that yeah but then this is like Ed Sheeran said he's gonna quit music if this if he lost yeah he literally promised to quit the music
5:54 industry all together if he was found guilty of plagiarizing the song because it's ridiculous because he was saying too like it's it's hard to you have to be creative halfway remembering that like oh I can't be too creative where I think I'm making this up and I get sued like that's it's really hard it's unsustainable there's something like that takes the artist out of something when they become litigious like this yeah exactly it's kind of weird right because like you would think that like in a community right of dancers or like even like singers or whatever like you're kind of sharing and stealing from each other all the time like how many ████ movies are exactly the same movie as another movie right like I don't get the everything's derivative right but then if you can prove that it was maliciously driven I think it's different yeah but in this case it's just there's only so many chords man especially if you're making pop hits do you think that people that are taking over Marvin Gaye's estate you
6:45 think they're a little toxic in the music world you think everyone's looking at them like definitely ████ these guys I think I think it is because it's one thing if like with the Robin Thicke thing I can understand a little bit if there's some kind of emotional like response to hey you're taking this man's Legacy and this sound and you're ripping that off I understand that this is just hey that sounds a little bit like this and I'll stretch it to prove it nobody thought when they heard Thinking Out Loud that like hey this is like that Marvin Gaye song like nobody said that because imagine if Ed Sheeran had a song that sounded like Marvin Gaye you know he's none of the song Sonic Marvel gay I would I think it would be so funny if Ed Sheeran started making songs that intentionally sound like Marvin Gaye should double down you know who's good at me I make songs that sound like other songs but they do such a good job Bruno Mars oh yeah yeah like he makes songs that sound like that era because he
7:36 captured the Moorish day feel yeah yeah yeah and like that like that kind of like a high class Pimpin feel yeah and but then didn't actually rip the song structure it was just like made that yeah like every song he makes like oh he's doing that era or this era or this era it's funny too because like then you got weird out literally ripping the entire song and just parroting it because it's over at parody he can do it and he can sell it yeah and he survived more than all the artists he parodies yeah his career outlives everyone he's making fun of it's crazy Amish Paradise right that's a good one that was a good one but yeah Coolio had that and like what else like yeah exactly is that just like protected under parody law all of it yeah because it's parody it's intense parody the intentions yeah versus life does he have to get clearance though I think he he doesn't but he says that he likes to get a blessed yeah because I know that on a I think on a talk show
8:26 once they were asking him like who's someone that said said no and I think like maybe Prince is one of them or someone else because Prince takes himself but he just won't do it so you're saying no if they're but then I think he was so people just like him that they're like yeah go for it yeah it probably helps their song yeah yeah when you get a a Weird Al Paris yeah oh by the way just as a little tidbit fun thing when you make a remix of a song like uh let's say you have like a pop hit and a bunch of people start making remixes of them all right if you sanction those remixes if you say like oh I like what uh Diplo did with my song you can sanction that in every sale that he gets counts as a sale for your album for the song statistically but not financially so if you see that somebody went triple platinum that includes every remix that was made for that song probably made a lot of platinum in the club in the club you got so many remixes
9:18 off that yeah so sometimes Blues in the music industry yeah so sometimes when you start seeing all these remixes you can go oh that one's good I like that one I like that one then you can it goes under the umbrella of your sale even if people aren't buying the original what would Ed Sheeran have done if he had to quit music become a leprechaun impersonator in Mobile Alabama that's a really good idea Joe just I did a tree yeah even if you quit making new music his numbers are so ████ big that like he could just live off the royalties of everything he's already working anymore yeah but at that point you're already rich right so what else do you have to live for if you're a musician and you're a creative person leprechaun impersonators that's a whole other Niche they should have a Lucky Charms festival and he could be the master of ceremony you know
10:08 the red fair dude Live It Up really good yeah if he quick quits music right yeah so not even anywhere because like what's that guy's name Trent rezner Nine Inch Nails he scores movies now right but he's still but he's still in music yeah because I could totally see Ed Sheeran scoring music but then what is he gonna do though like MMA now or like you know they don't have leprechaun MMA yeah but what's his next thing he'll find Hospital start driving right it could be something else you know I would be sad to see someone quit music over a reason like this it's breaking their heart especially someone like him it feels like Ketchum I don't give a ████ dude I wish you quit right now because Ed Sheeran's not like ready to retire yet he's still in his Prime when he's creating content yeah kind of just blew up blew up right like I think he really started blowing up maybe like 2015. and
10:59 a lot of the hits I hear from other artists um well that's a good song and I find out that Ed wrote it so I'm like so I'm like um what's that what's up with Justin Bieber I don't know that one I don't like that song you should you should love yourself that one yeah yeah like the like I like the message my mom loves I hates you but she likes everybody like whatever yeah he wrote that song he also was like the first guy to like outsell like uh you two in like the UK good yeah Big Willy's Style just in terms of like his pop stature he's like you two doesn't count because wasn't it like how do I have this song I hated it that made me hate you too okay what's a good song for my uh YouTube
11:50 That's not how no they didn't give us a beautiful day no you gave us some whack out dude they finally apologized for doing that but it started playing every time I got in my car I was like why the ████ is always a beautiful day you know they apologize formally for doing that I took out I don't use apple music for that same ████ reason but he is though I use Spotify like what if what do you do on Spotify you just got forced E40 albums yeah yeah that's better that's better than you too sprinkle me baby big on forgiveness I think forgiveness is good but I don't I don't forgive them they put like 51 songs on that album that was insane a lot yeah I don't need the deluxe version okay yeah just give me the regular ones but yeah they didn't give us a beautiful day that's not them no litigation sucks for music it sucks too that like probably back when the
12:41 original Marvin Gaye songs were happening the chances of being sued for copying probably weren't as high as they are now like it feels like that's something they probably didn't have to deal with in today's culture pretty pretty much dude imagine you imagine you have a band and and all the people around you they're just like you two you two holy ████ holy ████ and you just think that you're so tight and your music is so sick that when you give it to everyone for free as a present they're all gonna be like oh my God thank you you two and I said everyone's like hey ████ you guys dude that's so funny ████ [Music]
13:38 thank you
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