0:00 A mistrial was just declared. >> No. >> In the Lindsay Clancy trial. >> This happened 15 minutes ago. >> Oh no. >> Wow. And what's the significance of that? >> What do you mean? >> Like why? Why? >> It's a mistrial. She's not >> the jury could not reach a unanimous verdict. And so >> the woman who killed her three kids now, they don't they basically couldn't conclude that she was guilty of that. >> So she's not released. She's is she released now or they have to try again? >> They'll have to probably try it again. Prosecutors have to basically come up with another angle for this thing. >> But that's going to take forever for that to come back around. >> And then during that time, is she locked up or she gets to roam the streets? >> I think she's she's roaming the streets. I >> think she's free. I >> Wait, can I can I ask the ignorant question? >> I was trying to ask the ignorant question. >> Okay, go ahead. Keep I already asked. >> No, I'm asking your question. You asked me to ask this really stupid question. >> Dude, it took them like seven rounds of deliberation, right?
0:50 >> Yeah. Does isn't somebody who comes out and like confesses what's the mistrial part? >> So, here's the thing, right? It's by reason of insanity is the idea of this thing. So the jury was hung. I guess there was one person who >> it was assumed it was 11 to one. >> There was one person who who said guilty and the rest of them said not guilty. That is the most recent information as of this morning on my drive in here. >> Can can you guys catch me up cuz I did follow it for a little bit. So the first thing was I think the first notion I got of it was obviously she's guilty. She killed her kids. Then it was like, "Oh, no." But then maybe it's a medicine because she has cries for help or whatever. And then look at her husband. He's so weird. He he got with the chick that looks exactly like her. So maybe there's some funny business. What's like the current sentiment now of like do people think she did it or do people think she did it?
1:40 >> It's not uniform at all. >> Oh, really? >> It depends. Yeah. There's crazy women that are gathering by the thousands to like protest as that the husband actually did it. >> I don't care what women think cuz they're dumb. But what do guys think? guys think that it's it was it's definitely ████ up to kill your kids. >> Okay. >> I think so, too. >> There's two laws there's two court cases. There's one that's about like is she guilty of what what degree of murder basically, >> right? Is she guilty of like >> how intentional is it? >> Yeah. Or like was it was it like a I guess like the psychosis played a role where she shouldn't be guilty of murder. And then the other one I think is uh it's it's Lindsay Clancy and her husband against the like the medical uh the treatments that she got whether or not it was um correctly administered to where it caused her to like get worse. >> Would so would one case maybe create
2:32 like evidence for the other like if in >> You can't do that though. Like that's like against the the >> they got to be packaged >> because if that one specifically is like they win that case because the medical ████ up and gave these treatments that put her in a psychosis state. >> Mhm. >> Does that not >> Whoa. More breaking news. So the mistrial was just delayed by the judge and his defense attorney, the defense attorney for Lindsay gets to petition the state supreme court for an emergency stay and appeal. >> Wow. >> What does that mean? >> I don't know. I'm trying to find figure it out. >> The defense for Lindsay gets to petition to go to the Supreme Court >> for emergency appeal. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh, so then the Supreme Court can override what happened and and just decide if she's guilty or not. >> So they're trying to push the majority because it was 1 to 11 or whatever. >> This feels like they're just trying to intimidate this one guy who won't say
3:24 she's she's uh innocent. That's what this feels like to me. But I don't know >> for for this one. Is is it innocent of >> So so she is not guilty because she was going through a moment of insanity during >> So she's going to be absolved of all murder >> No, I think she's going to be absolved of of Yeah. of it being like an intentional version of murder categorically manslaughter maybe. >> Yeah. Which changes the punishment, right? So >> yeah, >> which would be huge because the Yeah. murder to like involuntary manslaughter or something would be way different. So he gave the he so I guess the hour is now up. The def the defense has the docket number for appeal to stay but so far unsuccessful reaching the justice >> uh Supreme Court justice to consider it. So I guess the mistrial is is real then. >> What do you mean it's all happening right now? >> So it's a official mistrial and they
4:14 have to just like recircle build the case all over again. Go to court. >> Yeah cuz he gave him an hour to to to try to petition but I don't think that it was successful. That's crazy how many times the judge tried to like reinstruct the jury to be like, "Guys, ████ figure it out." >> Well, then the defense attorney was saying that the judge wasn't doing it properly. Did you see that? >> Oh, really? >> He was like, "Uh, judge, you're not giving proper instructions to the jury." And the judge was like, "What do you want me to do? Yell at these people?" Like, >> yeah. So, there's been a lot of tension about it. >> Do Do you know what the female sentiment is? Like why they think she >> It's split. It's still split. >> But what is the other side? postpartum depression. >> Oh, >> but they but they but they also think that she's some people think she's completely innocent that she didn't even do it. >> Some people think they think the husband did it and framed her. >> They think the husband like choked his
5:05 kids out and then framed her for it. >> Cuz typically the argument there is that women don't strangle, right? They they do other means of of murder, but they don't typically strangle. But then that's the reason that's like irrelevant is that she Lindsay Clancy herself said she did it and the her lawyer said she did it. It's not a question whether she didn't do it's like in what state did she do it. But then there's women creating a whole other argument that doesn't even exist and there's so much misinformation that because they believe she's in she was in that state and she was convinced that she did it. There was also just I don't know if you guys saw this but I think it was yes or day before yesterday a woman just murdered her kids as well and they think it's a copycat >> cuz she wants the attention. >> I think it's just she's going through something very similar and felt like this is a pretty decent option >> but it's also going to bring every incident that happens is going to get
5:55 brought to the forefront of news. >> It's true >> cuz they're going to try to ride the coattail. >> It is the hottest story right now. Yeah. >> But then that's the thing is if you looked it up right now and you're like I want to know everything about the Lindsy Clansancy case. It's so full of misinformation because so much Tik Tok ████ has gotten mixed in with it. You can't find the real stuff anymore. It's really difficult. >> I saw someone like leak like the the search from her husband or whatever on >> the Google search or whatever. >> Yeah. And I'm like I don't even know how much of that is true, >> bro. For him to like have done it. So, he's not even there at the time of like there's a moment where he's like at CVS or some ████ and like they were tell there's like a woman doing an interview and they're asking her like, you know, in order for him to have ran back, he'd have to be like faster than the top marathon runner. And she goes, well then it's possible. It's like that's the kind of ████ you're dealing with. You know what I mean? It's not like >> I think I've also saw one where they
6:45 they had footage of him at the drugstore, but they're like but that's not even him. >> Yeah. It's like they're just >> they're just throwing ████ out and being like, "No, no, no." But, you know, >> that's some ████ flat earth ████ >> Also, have you guys read the transcript of the dispatch between the um the husband and dispatch? I'll read it right now. It's pretty wild. So, >> he's the one that called it in. >> He he calls 911. My wife tried to commit suicide. Right. That's the first thing. And then dispatch was like, "Stay awake. How old is she?" He's like 31 and 33. Um is she awake? Yes. Is she breathing? Yeah. Uh Lindsay, what did you do to your neck? She's talking. The dispatch says, "When did this happen?" He says, "Last half hour." How far did she fall? 20 ft. Is she responding normally? A little bit. Wake up. What part of the body was injured? Her neck. She's breathing. Lindsay, look at me. Look at me. Are there weapons? Says the dispatch. I don't see any. Where are the kids? Do not move her, says dispatch. Open your eyes, Lindsay. Look at me.
7:35 Open your eyes. Say my name. Dispatch says, I'm going to tell you how to stop the bleeding. He says it's not really bleeding. Open wounds. She's in the backyard. Is there something um on her neck? Can you put pressure on it? No. Lindsay, wake up. They're coming. Look at me. And then he says, "Guys, Cora, Cora, Dawson. Oh no. Oh no. Wake up." And then uh and then he says, "Dawson, my little buddy. My little buddy. >> Oh my god, she killed the kids. Oh my god." >> Wow. >> So, the discovery was happening on the phone. Oh, dude. That's crazy. >> Well, one thing that was weird to me is I thought postpartum happens immediately like not like when the kids are all older. >> I think it No, it does. It does it but it can stretch for a long period of time. It >> she could be dealing with it for like hell long and there's multiple kids, right? I've seen I've seen when the second kid comes that's when the the real difficulty
8:25 >> but typically it's like after birth right cuz it's like hormones and stuff >> it depends for some women it stretches it's >> yeah I feel like we can't even say nothing >> but then [laughter] it could but in this case like her kid is like many years older and then that's when I was like did she always have it since giving the birth or did it come out of nowhere >> I feel like it I feel like >> I don't It doesn't even matter. Like you could everything that you say is like someone's going to be like it could happen at any time at any place. Like it doesn't matter. >> It would also help if you were there telling her this. You could you could be like hey you bet you gave birth like 3 years ago. Why are you so [laughter] >> I just don't know how postpartum work. But that's I think when most people hear poor postpartum, they're going to think that it's when the baby was born in a few moments like within that >> doctor who discovered postpartum could
9:15 be speaking on a mic about it right now and all the women would be like, "Nope." Like it's >> so I'm have a 12-year-old and go like, >> "Well, that's the that's the climate we're currently in is that the argument is not logical. It's just he did it. Definitely wasn't her." Because there there's like some weird defense that people have like where they feel something. It's like an emotional response to her where they don't want postpartum to be demonized. So, they're trying to stand up for that. It's like a weird thing. >> That's so weird. >> Could be crazy for the second one. Like, what have you known about or seen? >> I've seen I've seen people that when the second kid comes around, it's like you're keeping your ████ together with the first kid and often times the second case comes shortly after within like 2 years, right? >> Oh. So while they're still trying to keep it together, it's like >> Yeah. And then when the second kid comes in, that's when it's like you really sit into that every version of the worst
10:06 perspective of that feeling like your life is not about you anymore. Like this is this is going to be what it is for 18 years. Like it you're just servicing. So it's you have no control. Every single day is this like routine where you wake up. It's not because of you for you know what I mean? Like things that people would normally say. Just imagine doubling down on it when you're at your weakest state. So I I've and I've I've seen I've seen definitely some close family member friends type stuff, you know, go through like really hard times after a second kid. >> I've seen it for both. Every one of my friends has had some version of of it after having a kid. >> And I and I also, not to be a mayor here, but I really think that something that is also happening during this whole debate is there's tons of dudes who are going like postpartum is not even real and ████ >> Uh >> you know what I mean? So there's a lot of like >> postpartum depression happens in 10% of men. I had to look this up because I've been whack and being like, wait, what's
10:57 wrong with me? Cuz s███'s difficult for me with a newborn. And I'm just like, um, you know what? >> I should probably like not be overly prideful and think about what's like everybody does. Human beings do this for thousands of years. I'm not the ████ first. I'm a little guy in this. >> We can figure it out. How do I figure it out? You know what I'm saying? Like, but that that's how people get out of it, though. They start critically thinking. Not everybody has that. Yeah, >> the debate about this is that like there's another guy a case that they like to bring up about this guy who had postpartum and he did kill his kids. >> He lined him up and shot him. >> What the ████ >> The jury found him guilty in 17 minutes of deliberation. So, it's like it's this thing of like when it's a woman, it's like they find like a discrepancy and it's women trying to defend uh they don't want to be invalidated socially about postpartum. It's not even so much about Lindsay anymore.
11:47 >> Ah, I see. >> But it shouldn't justify anything. Like if a guy has a DUI and ████ kills a whole family, he still goes to jail. >> Yeah. I mean, it's apples to oranges still. Like I know every case is different and everything, but >> but it doesn't change the fact that she killed her ████ kids, man. Even if she was in a moment of psychosis, it's still the actions happened. >> Yeah, for sure. That's crazy. >> That's what most I think most people are still focused on. That >> the ultimate uh test if she was fully in psychosis, you have to pull her pants down, is is did she shave her puss? Because if she's constantly shaving her puss, she's very intentional how she wants to present herself. >> But if it's wild, right, then you're like, "Okay, she's been going through it >> by reason of insanity." >> That's why in the That's why in the middle of her uh I think between two of the kids between the killing of two of the kids, she had like answered the husband on what he wanted to eat that
12:37 day or something. >> Whoa. >> I think it's like in the evidence or something. She was like moving in and out of So some people are like, "Well, then is that psychosis if you're like moving back into the sane world?" Like >> I don't know. Check the Bush. Only the Bush knows. >> Obviously. I mean, we're kind of being whack a little bit because the defense attorney was able to convince almost the entire jury that she's innocent. >> Well, that's cuz they're dumb. >> Okay, cool. >> So, is it that like if she's found innocent, is that like she just didn't do it at all? Like, what does that mean? I think that she gets remanded to the state because it's by reason of insanity and then the state basically she's not going to go to jail for life or get capital punishment. >> Right. Well, they don't do insane asylums and ████ >> No, no, they they do have they do have insane asylums. So, I believe she would be remanded to the state and she would maybe spend up to a year in a mental institution. That's what I read earlier.
13:28 >> It could be total ████ too. If >> it was my laws, the mom kills the kids, the dad could kill the mom. >> Jesus. >> Wait, wait, wait. But also, if it was your laws, we got to check the bush for >> Did you see that? Did you see that other story people are bringing up about this mom who killed her three kids as well and then they rehabilitated her through the state and then she had three more kids and killed them too. >> What the [laughter] >> Yeah, >> that's crazy. >> That's another story people are bringing up like out of the woodwork all these like reference cases to be like >> and I guarantee you she was bushy both times. >> I don't know. I I think the the husband was complicit, too, cuz it's like why if you know she's going through this, why the ████ do you leave her alone at home? >> Cuz guys are dumb. I don't think he Guys are so dumb, though. I think he was maybe trying to ████ another ████ >> He should also be in trouble. He should also be in ████ trouble for being a ████ idiot, leaving her home alone,
14:19 >> blinded by love. So the the the biggest argument out of all things that I've seen in the climate of it all is that women for so long have been campaigning that they're not hormonally disadvantaged in doing things. So it's like the way of like you know back in the day they're like I don't want to hire a woman for this job because I don't want her hormones to get in the way. And they've always been saying, "No, that's that's like misogynistic to say that." But then now they're they're heavily on the side of like, "Oh, she shouldn't be responsible because it's a hormonal situation." >> Yeah. But women women want to just use that when they need the excuse. But then when they don't want to use the excuse, that doesn't exist. >> Yeah. But that that's the thing that's like >> this video got dangerous >> is that they It's like the climate can't be one or the other, you know? >> But I wonder if it's the same woman making the same argument. >> What do you mean? Like it might be
15:10 different groups of women saying different things at different times about the hormonal. >> Well, I think it's like what what Steve says like you could probably see some some of them probably I I can't see a woman trying to defend her about her hormones that also doesn't agree that hormones shouldn't dictate your performance at a job. That seems like you would have both of those sentiments. >> I think we should check the puss. >> Yep. That's what I think. The bush. >> Check the bush. >> I bet you the new chick is probably nice and clean. remember talking about how he was at the New Chick >> probably. >> Dude, this this I forgot who said it, but he was like, "If only all the men band together and kept calling Lindsay Clancy hot, the women would hate her." >> Saw [laughter] that. >> Yo, >> then the women would stop defending her. >> Oh, >> I love that. And I also saw this. This is This is inside the jury room at the Lindsy Clancy trial. >> Oh god. >> And is this meme? You guys seen THIS
16:00 MEME? >> OH, THAT ONE. >> OH my god. [laughter] I hate these tricks. Didn't they all get laid off already? >> There was this girl. >> Did you see that? That journalist or whoever got um she got fired because she was making cute faces in the courtroom. >> What? >> You didn't see that? There was like a camera panning of like people in the courtroom and this one girl was like like doing and so they ████ fired [laughter] her. >> Did you hear about the jury ladies who were wearing pink? >> Good. >> Yeah. Which you Yeah. And everyone thought that it was solidarity with Lindsay cuz that's what the her supporters were doing outside. What was she wearing? >> Was it a coincidence or >> And then there was a weird fan lady that was trying to get a a video of Lindsay Clancy entering the courtroom, but instead she ended up filming all the jurors. So they're saying she's going to
16:50 do more time than Lindsay Clancy. >> Yeah. She could get up to 30 years. >> Yeah. Cuz she filmed the jurors, >> which is considered intimidation. >> That's crazy. >> And cuz you're identifying them, too. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> Crazy. >> This is crazy, man. I can't believe it. There's some >> Get them all. Get them all. Get [laughter] them all. >> Get them all. What? What's >> Get them all? Everybody get They're all fire the cutesy face. Am I crazy? It feels like it should be a simple case. >> Murder everyone. >> The way that it's dragging on and everything, it's like why is it so complicated? >> Because of the uh meds that she was given, I believe. >> Yeah. >> Right. I think that the argument on her defensive side that's been super effective is that no doctors were listening to her. or they were just pumping her full of ████ meds, making her a zombie. >> They weren't communicating with each other. So, Dr. A wasn't telling Dr. B what he even gave her. So, the drug she
17:40 was, >> right? She ended up with a crazy ton of stuff you're never supposed to take together. >> And we talk about that all the time on JK. We talk about how these kids who are doing school shootings, they often are given these meds and not really listen to. >> But the argument against that is that Lindsay wasn't giving the doctors uh proper information either. >> So, she was actually she did actually lie. Do you think that in the pendulum swing of naturalness in life one time there was like bang bang bang court of law it's just like right and wrong brother it's like no no no it's not so simple and then we just kept on going got too complicated >> and now we're like actually maybe it's not so complicated. >> I I agree I agree you know >> cuz now now even the court of law always has to take into consideration like the social climate of stuff. >> Yeah. Yeah. Or this is like the the Peter Spiegel type getting called out
18:30 and the guy's just like, "Hey, just say you didn't do it." Like just say anything and it's like cuz you can't cuz you know the law there's a system there's a way. >> It did it did expose something interesting with healthcare with the system I think where like it showed that there's no I guess I'm not sure how true it is but I guess for doctors to communicate with each other about what they're giving this patient there's no financial incentive for them to make time to do that. >> So they never do it. There's no reason to unless you actually give a ████ >> That's crazy because it's supposed to be part of the whole Socratic oath or whatever where they're like doing it from the kindness of their heart, >> I guess. But there's no like no one's paying them to do that. >> So they're in signs and Yeah. >> So it showed that like with Lindsay's doctors, they were literally like it's like the same doctor could give you something that the other guy did and you just have a ████ way crazy uh dosage, you That's weird cuz I thought that the
19:21 what what I understood is you have a primary caregiver, they send you out to specialist and they have all the records of what these specialists are doing and then it comes back to one route. But maybe her ████ is >> if they do it right, if they do it right, they're supposed to be like that. >> Oh, but then her ████ is so crazy to the next stage that >> it's like >> or the other doctors are just being lazy. >> Like there are checks and balances like if you go to like let's say a specialist, they go, "Okay, we did this. Oh, what was your primary name? I'll send that this over. Let them know. >> But then if they're being lazy, they won't. >> Cuz we learned from the opio opioid epidemic that a lot of the time they just sign your ████ off and you're >> Yeah. They just go to a bunch of different doctors, get the same meds. Yeah. >> Yeah. And you could be addicted and they're still giving it to you. >> Yeah. >> So, like I said, she uh everyone's going to ask this. It's like, you know, does she go free if this is a mistrial? Nope. She gets remanded to the state. She'll
20:11 she'll be forced to stay in a medical facility that could last for years. >> Oo. So, it's not a It just changes it from a criminal offense to more like something of a It's like >> I'm not sure what they call it, but she she definitely is not just allowed to just walk. >> Yeah. >> I think the thing with that is that even though it says like in the past, I know for cases where someone gets off on insanity, they're supposed to be in a medical institution for set amount of years, but then most often they don't. They end up like out way sooner for some reason. >> Like she has a year. That's what you said earlier. >> I mean, it could be years, multiple years. It just depends. >> Okay. >> But usually it's not. Usually they just like end up like, "Oh, hey, there they are." [laughter] >> Oh, hey, we rehabilitate her. She has three more kids. >> I think it's because there's like a lack of facilities or something. There's some kind of shortage of like like care that
21:03 then people just end up out. >> Mhm. >> But who knows, man. >> Hey, dude. 11 jurors were convinced that she's innocent. I think the suckiest part is that there's real divorces happening in the real world over this case just because of opinions just because some women are like I think she didn't do it and then husbands are like are you ████ kidding me and then they just called off his wedding and I know this is real because I saw it on a text. He said I called off my wedding because my fiance was like she's innocent. >> Well, I mean technically you should be aligned in values I guess. [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah, bro. >> Hell yeah. Well, I mean, if you're going to have kids with someone and they feel like that's valid what happened, then that's pretty much a bad sign, right? >> Yeah, that's a tough one. >> Yeah. Yeah, it is. >> I always said if me and Nikki had kids that I'd come home one day and the bathtub would would be running and I I would just expect it [laughter] >> cuz that ████ is crazy. [snorts]
21:54 >> Well, I thought you meant she was making a bath for you. Nope.
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