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Off The Record: Let's Talk About Your Arch-Nemesis!

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0:00 really what was actually happened was that I was modeling Mike after him yeah but I thought that we just coincidentally were the same yeah and then um he looks Indian too he actually looks way less he looks like every Indian guy that ever existed according to our fans yeah [Music] yeah all right this um this is a question from one of our esteemed patrons apple apple always got a lot of good stuff um at any point in your life did you ever have somebody that could be considered either an arch nemesis or a rival of course who is that my ex-friend Steve your ex-friend Steve my ex-friend Steve would try to see my girlfriend then I ████ got revenge on him yeah you try to steal your girlfriend you remember the musical

0:50 episode oh that one yeah that guy ████ the one that was talking ████ about you behind your back to her but was he so he was understood on his half as well that you were his friends no no no no no no no I can't find out when I gave him the phone call and told him how does it feel with another shoes on the other foot you son of a ████ thought about it for months how long was that rivalry I mean I I finished the sucker in three months so not long Steve was like it really wasn't much of a rivalry it was more of a decimation it was a yeah it's easy to take out the little man it's very easy yeah did you ever have any any rivalries for like fighting when you were starting out or like even now like anybody that you or even a ride he knocked out my teammate twice that doesn't invited me

1:40 though with friends I know but still it's nice but like a friendly ride why would you knock out your friend that's ████ up yeah why did you not got my friend man hey dude I just read Twitter and read it and like I think it's pretty ████ up to knock out your friend what do we need I don't need it no more did you have any arrivals in the gym you know sometimes like two people the same weight class or whatever like you have like no that's weird I know I have no issues with anybody like ever it's weird I know it sounds super made up but I don't think no I believe it everyone loves you though yeah everyone loves one yeah but then those are the people that get hated on the most in secret really I don't know anyone that doesn't like Ron Ron you ever been in a restaurant and like nobody's no waiters come for like an hour and you're just like no it's uh uh Ron probably only eats at all friends restaurants

2:30 like literally everyone supported me everyone loves raw is crazy like I'll be like me and like Ron will be training and I'm like oh you know what I kind of want to get my car wrapped he goes dude I know a guy yeah I'll go and then I'm like uh I'll go visit him and then he'll be like oh how do you know whatever and I'm like oh I and Ronnie was like oh you you and awesome we're best friends every single person I meet he's the mayor of every room he's in dude exactly like everyone loves Rod yeah and then we went to go eat in Vegas and then you ate under a ████ fake Alias and then he's like he's like oh don't worry I got we got some ████ fancy ass Italian place and then because he was like I don't know he said like he's like uh oh this is a table of four for Charles or some ████ what name did you use uh Henry there's a table for Henry and I looked at Ronald Mike

3:25 so I think Ron has a baller ass friend that was like yo like just you can get into anywhere get tables anywhere just go under my name like for the last I don't know how long I've known Ron maybe like six seven years he's everyone loves him it's crazy I believe it there's got to be one guy that knows everyone loves you and is like I hate that everyone that guy what do you think it would be is there anybody you can think of that will like like ████ usually those people are the ones that have competition with you and you thought they were like your friends yeah yeah Secrets I've had those instead of rivalries where it's just kind of like afterwards you're like man you were competing with me I wish I knew I would have competed I would have gave you real competition but just the fact that you're existing they were fighting toward like stomping on you but you're not it's effortless at what period was that when someone was like secretly competitive was that like during the Parada yeah I mean throughout

4:17 life yeah there'll be instances of that where people were just like I found out later that they were competing against me and I was like on what and me and then I wish I knew because then if if I like competition right so if I knew then it's like let's ████ go then ████ and then like but that might be too much for them sometimes I don't know I think for most people it is like competition like that like actual like knowing that uh It's Gonna be Me versus you I think there's a certain type of breed that like actually want that smoke and then like have it open about it but it's like that friend of me jealousy ████ where they see you doing good and then they're like oh I can't wait till I'm better and I can show them this and then they I think they use that as motivation and I don't know how harmful it is because like I feel really bad could be really bad well I never got into the whole thing where like it's affected me because they were

5:07 trying to destroy me it's always been like I think they just wanted to one-up me so they had a secret com competition every time I did well or whatever then like and then like later I found out like it's more like a game of ketchup than it is competition but it was a it was a one-sided rivalry yeah yeah and I know other people will do that too yeah yeah yeah I feel like I've had a one-sided rivalry to where like when I was first starting out in uh b-boy tournaments and stuff there was a dude that like I was a really big fan of This Crew This Crew is called bam tribe it was like the premier like Asian uh b-boy crew of this area and they had just all the coolest guys were in it like just all people that you could tell were individually popular wherever the ████ they were coming from uh like one dude had dreads like you know like all the cool types of different Filipino guys yeah it was like

5:57 you just mash them all together but it was so underground and it still is to this day but there was a dude that looked like the counterpart of me at least I imagined he did yeah and a lot of the time I just imagined that oh that's the guy that I need to beat because like I imagine we had a similar aesthetic he was levels above me I imagine we had a similar Vibe and everything but really what was actually happened was that I was modeling my ████ after him yeah but I thought that we just coincidentally were the same yeah and then um he looks Indian too he actually looks way less he looks like every Indian guy that ever existed of corn door fans yeah the Bollywood Superstar but uh So eventually I never actually got to know him but we would like if I had to battle him in the bracket like he was super like he would go super hard and I would lose and then uh one day when I finally won against him like it I hope that like

6:48 that was like a sign of like maybe I earned his respect a little bit and then I started talking to him and he's just the coolest guy and I told him like years later like we had like a lunch and I just wanted to tell him like yo like I might have looked like I was just jocking your guy's crew but really like my idea of Quest Crew was like a version of your crew and he had no idea that like he was an inspiration he thought that I was just annoying like I was just always on his ass like I was always trying to take him out but it's like no dude like I realized later in life I wanted to be like you yeah and it was like a really big moment and now that I've beaten you I can tell you I'll always think he's better not that I have bested you in battle in combat and you will cover the bill correct but that's the thing that I always wanted to

7:38 say but I wanted to earn the right to speak I was like I want to at least I want to at least meet you at your level for a moment I feel like that's lost upon yeah like I don't think that I'm better than him I just wanted to at least get here eye level so I could be like hey let me tell you the real ████ and then I can drop back down and be like did you use the move what's the move the the move beat him the more you jump on your ████ head yeah and spin around is that what B is that what best it is I don't even not not that round no no not that wrong he'd even beat it dude but that was the that was the uh that was actually the first I think it was the first competition where I did do that but it was in the bracket prior to him so he saw that and even in the video of me doing that you can see one of his friends like this is so funny because like who would have thought I would notice this ████ but in like our ████ camcorder videos of all

8:28 our battles you can see that when I go out he's still in the crowd watching the battles and we like have the same ████ hair and everything and his friend across goes like this he points at me and goes to say that I look like him and then and then that guy goes to his friend goes because it's like I'm annoying to him I always ████ look like the guy but I am in my head I built this scenario that like oh we just like happened to look the same it's like no I was ████ looking like well you you do that when you're younger ████ psychopath dude I think that Ryan's wild is maybe an understatement yeah Ryan was Michael Jordan dude yeah because I would study my footage footage and where like he knows that people are always like but you're watching the ████ you're not saying the footage you're watching the crowd yeah yeah dude Ryan's like and that's when I took that person yeah we would do that to make sure that like that certain

9:19 like if people were feeling what we did then we would know like oh it's cool because like you could see someone go and we go oh it got acknowledged the thing you did the details yeah but then I noticed that I was like hey there's a whole side conversation right here yeah you did it in a different time you you did the head move ment that day I did yeah you think he got in his head doing that ████ his Camp is like the moves are too good we can't yeah I think you noticed that I I did improve and he told me that I did get better but it's cool because we developed like he he's a generation above me and now like we we developed like a relationship of like hey man like like he looks at me like one of the people that rightfully does credit his crew which really you can't even it's hard to find you can't Google these guys no no no you buried him so deep under the Earth that you have to ████ use excavator and ████

10:10 you have to go to the library and pull out old documents no they just they just you gotta hire ████ archaeologists and ████ they I think there's the crew yeah I think it's a crew this is maybe the symbol they use no it's not never mind we have to go deeper I think it's really like uh like they put it down more than Quest did I think but there's just no record it's very everything that is a full burial dude that's a that was a full that is a full-fledged beautiful that's that's a fossil dude dude that is like the Undertaker versus Mankind through four tables YouTube so far except imagine nobody remembers Mankind's name yeah whoa I don't live in that one wow Jesus who's

11:00 Mankind's brother wait big Foley is mankind yeah he doesn't have a brother does he have a brother no dude Kane is undercut Kane actually showed his face that one time you should be embarrassed you want to delete he showed his face that whole time where he ran for mayor dude oh yeah outside of wrestling you have a future in that too just a gut feeling don't make any Rivals along the way you didn't you didn't have a rival when you were like doing I was kind of I think I was what about at the gym because I know there's like what your old gym I had like friends there's some trainers that are kind of annoying too right you're like oh yeah but people trying to poach clients and ████ yeah potentially but it was more of like I don't want to say that I had an arrival it was more of like friendly competition in the way of like man I

11:51 want to be where that dude's at oh like healthy competition yeah like like I want to strive for for what that oh that's cool yeah but then those people eventually became my friends like they it was just more of like okay because I would like pick their brain and how they do things and I thought it was really interesting like I really like learning about the process that way right like even picking your brain about stuff I'm like that's ████ tight you're right though not Rivals but like can you imagine if this was a rivalry but a little bit yeah a little bit I can see it actually yeah actually no rivals on dude dude that's ████ up man no but I'm not really I don't think I've uh had anything like that no arch nemesis that you're aware of sometimes don't you wish you did because like yeah you know if you were Coke and you had a Pepsi yeah it just it would push you forward it does yeah it only does its metal bro it helps it helps your business too yeah

12:42 yeah I think for a while though I was afraid of competition in a lot of ways because I was afraid of like failing but you're competitive ████ you got into fighting but I think I had the right I had the wrong mindset going into it and then now as I'm getting older I realize like the value in kind of creating your own metrics kind of like how Jordan does it right yeah how he just like kind of stacks certain things in his mind so then he helps him push him a little bit farther but then again it's like you realize that having that competitive mindset is a mindset that you just have to be because I think I was so far the opposite way so thinking with more competitive like more competitive mindset is I think is helpful for me dude I hate Cardona holders straight up and I and I want to destroy them and I do destroy them 14 in six months I'd kill myself yeah but you know why you don't want to destroy your

13:32 competition to the point of death why because you want something of low quality out there so people can value you better yeah for sure so like to me it makes no sense to monopolize like monopolies are actually not that great because overall there's going to be someone else that comes and disrupts you and they'll they'll eventually win because you didn't upgrade you because there was no competition you did you know do anything to to sharpen your tools you know what's funny I bet when you guys first started JK news there were a lot of channels that viewed you as Rivals yeah other people try to copy and they just sucked yeah he's talking about the Fung brothers dang I'm just being a writer dude is David hates him I hate him you hate you hate everyone David hates

14:23 David hates my head it's just simple I'm just the right I'm just a writer I read you feel like they were trying to steal you guys ████ I don't think so I think um people have blatantly told us like hey I'm gonna this this format's cool other people they came on as a guest and then all of a sudden you see them use the same exact format with the with the news and and then they just couldn't have an interesting conversation Timmy did that he owned it he told you guys oh he did yeah he's like I did that ████ but like yeah we couldn't do it it was it was too much work it wasn't cost effective so I mean yeah there are groups out there that I mean we're not we're not Reinventing the wheel here it's a bunch of people having a conversation you're Reinventing a slightly Square bumpy ass week and outdated that makes the car ████ up

15:17 still rolling we invented the flat tire but I feel like it was such it was such a first of its kind when you guys started doing it I could totally see and I did it still kind of is though I did see a lot of people like really try to switch their channels to being more like that but I mean podcasts are really cracking right now yeah and then like you know there's Roundtable discussions that live stream for like three hours like you know there's a lot of different Twitter spaces that go for ████ 24 hours dude yeah what the ████ are people doing but they're there though and then you know they're doing really good but um I don't really know so like they used to compare us to Wong Fu a lot but that's very different yeah it's really different but that's when we did shorts the only two Asians doing like short film or like sketches or whatever that's why yeah the thing about early Asian YouTube is we

16:09 were all in collaboration with each other it was a dope error it was so ████ cool even within the dance world too like and it's just like man that was a good time because the pre-monetization days monetization but it was it was such a it was such a like I didn't at least maybe there was rivalry in other like small little niche groups right I didn't feel it you know it felt it felt dope it felt like let's work together let's do this let's do that interesting I wonder how many of those people like just one-sidedly viewed you guys as the Target because it was a way to Aspire it must have been a lot for sure you guys have to be like that to somebody do you guys ever yeah but then there's no one there that still topped us and we're still here so you're still here I know

17:00 if we don't die soon we have to get tattoos so okay I know someone the enemy reveal yourself someone take it please make your plan I don't want a tattoo coming up I mean there's I mean we went on the jumpers jump podcast and there's like other podcast groups that are that are pretty interesting gen Z yeah but I see them as like podcast yeah and they see the JK as like tribute they always like big up JK yeah and that's a difference right it's not rivalry it's like it's like inspo yeah and it's a different generation exactly so I feel like we're not even in direct competition because they have their own audience we have our own audience you know oh you know what might be a something for you did you ever have a rival in a writer's room because that ████ happens a lot all the time but it was the joke it was always the joke it was always to get your joke in

17:50 like the person wasn't really the thing for me it was always getting your joke in there was no one that was trying to like you could feel them trying to get their joke in past your joke or something no because we just had each other's backs it's very much like JK like it was like we all are competing with each other yes but to get your joke to make the project funnier to make the whole project yeah yeah yeah and like that's it made me a better listener honestly because like I think going in there I was very rigid with that my joke my joke my joke I want to get my joke in right but then it I became much more of like a I got why it matters so much to have so many different voices in the room because did you feel like you had a mentor in that room that helped with that or is this I had a mentored improv that helped me with that for sure that helped me carry that mindset into the writer's room or at least learn from it quickly yeah because my mentor was his name is Trenton he was an improviser and he he

18:42 just basically told me like why I sucked at improv and it made me cry um not into his face it wasn't a ████ but I went in my truck I went and cried I was living I was living in San Diego at the time I was very young I was like in the truck ████ like a vampire punching a dress but he was telling me that he's like you know you're you're making about you like the yeah you can't make it about you it's got It's about your partner it's always about making your partner look good right and that was huge for me and you know you could just be a cocky ████ right and go no I'm not the problem solution or whatever that's a gangster line I was really thankful for that because it really made me progress to a different point where because you don't get anywhere if people don't want to work with you right like like you really won't get very far you could get like to

19:33 a certain level but you'll never get very far and so yeah making so people want to work with me was huge after that and like I really got the collaborative Spirit more and yeah I look forward to it more so to answer your question like getting the joke through to make the thing better was always more important to me than just making it about me or even getting credit you know like I remember writing I mean I wrote like a bunch of ████ that like nobody even knows I wrote Because like that's how it works in that land did you ever have a person when you were first starting YouTube did was there a person that was copying you verbatim every step of the way because you were you were the first for a lot of ████ yeah yeah there was but they didn't get what I was doing really like I don't and I'm not complimenting myself I just think that like it's like JK you guys knew exactly what you were doing and um like to a degree like you

20:24 guys were making it up as you go like we all were but you guys knew what you were wanting to do and like what your mission statement was and I think that a lot of people when they're copying something they don't have that heart to it there's no soul to it that way yeah they're just observing a successful formula and then they just do it duplication but they're like the swap meet bootleg version of it yeah and people know and people can feel it and people are really really you know we give the audience hell sometimes like or at least the prototypical idea of an audience person like oh I'm sitting on the couch I'm drooling I'm watching I'm consuming content but they really do see things that's why cameras get up close right we need a close-up because we need to see the human expression to be conveyed easily to the audience and people are really really smart that and the lizard brain catches catches all so I just think they couldn't figure out what I was doing and even watching like some of the prank stuff that I watch now

21:14 where people go like oh I got into pranks with you I'm like don't tell me that dude because yours was the anti-prank that is stupid to miss the message and go I got into pranks too yeah like hey dude I did the breaking into your house prank please check it out and like let me know I just saw this one where they did an ATM robbery prank and all they were doing was guys that were pulling out money from the ATM they came up and held they went behind and held them oh my God and then the guy that that was yeah so he went up and did this right in a bystander saw and he turned around and he smacked him in the face and he had a bloody nose and he was like it was just a break and it's like where's the prank you're robbing people you dumbass what is the prank I don't understand because to them they don't

22:04 know the ████ difference yeah they're just trying to be Steve Green prank king that's like me coming up to someone with a gun on their head and said give me all your ████ money right and they're screaming and you're like it's all break you ████ don't overreact and it's funny because how many waves of resurgence of bad prank two are we gonna see because it always goes like this right I feel like it's only bad now like it's I've been seeing a good YouTube prank in a while but there's but there's still very few like like um people that prank the prank like like what like what Steve was doing very very little people know how to capture that art well that's why it's the best yeah yeah it was funded it was really fun but they YouTube hates satire and they told me so many times

23:01 thank you foreign

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