0:00 At the end of the day, I think I'm a basic-ass person trying to be entertained by ████ I need a good story. See, story matters a lot. And I need some blood. Welcome back to another action-packed episode of the Careful Boys featuring Nick Dunn. Why featuring? I don't know, man. I just I just want I haven't seen you in a long time. >> I miss you, too, dude. Also, we just lost like some some huge money on our parlay for the last UFC and we're just talking about fight stuff. Let's talk about some fight stuff, dude. All right, let's talk about it. First of all, number one, we followed your bets, your picks. We did? I think I think when casuals You have You guys have to understand, when we post those picks, we're it's like half-hearted, kind of. Like, we don't really know. >> People follow and put their life savings
0:50 into your guys' picks. >> The thing is that nobody follows. >> got two out of the three. Nobody follows. >> Just Max all the way had a crazy >> Which means we lost 100% of the money. >> I know, but we were That's why you don't bet, dude. That's why you shouldn't have bet one at a time. That's why I don't do parlays. >> No, but that's the thing though, when you hit it, man, it's so sick. >> That would have been a nice hit. I know, and I've hit one with you guys, but I also lost five. How much you guys put in for the parlay? Okay, so here's the thing. 100 each, I think. 100 each for a parlay? Dude, you guys crazy You guys rich? >> This guy just sold barbells, so he was the one who was like, "No, I'm doing 100." And then Ryan looks over at me and Steve. >> All of our bets are always 100. What are you talking about? >> Can Can calm down for 1 second? Can Can Can Can Can Can Can Can Can I'm trying to be Mon King Kong. All right, dude, we make like really, really small ████ bets all the time because we're just betting every day. So, when we get to something in MMA is not even a ████ thing, we're like, "Well, I
1:41 don't know. I wonder what Bart's going to say, right?" So, yeah, dude, 100 bucks. I look over and Ryan's like, "I'm not going to do the bet unless it's 100 bucks." Yeah, cuz I bet so infrequently, I might as well. I don't really bet. But, you know what though? But those were the good picks, right? >> good picks. >> of three, and then Max just had a crazy night. >> Highlights 2020, it's just one of those things. >> He got demolished. But nobody thought he was that was going to happen was the thing. Like nobody thought Charles Oliveira was going out there and just take him down the whole time. But did it not make the fights way more fun? Until the very end. >> And that's what you're really paying for. All five rounds of the very end were not fun? You're paying for the investment, I think, and the emotional roller coaster. I already paid for Paramount Plus. I don't want to pay twice. No, you The more you pay, the more excited you I want Paramount Plus to be an investment and I want it to pay itself back with returns. >> What would the payout been? Cuz parlays
2:32 pay out five. It was like three X because of that parlay, but we chose three of the last three of the main card and they were all the favorites. So it it was sensible. So we won the first two of three and then the third one we were like, "Okay, this one's in the bag. Everyone thinks Holloway is going to take him." And then he got dominated since ████ minute one. Let's do Let's do our picks for the White House card. Topuria. Are you Are those kind of wack? Are those wack to you? I thought they were pretty good. >> I didn't think they were wack. People were saying it was wack, but I was like, "This is a fun fight card." >> I think people probably think about it it would being wack because it just seems like a regular good card versus something spectacular. And then at the same time Yeah. cuz they did play it up to be something. Trump was like, "There's going to be eight title fights. There's going to be seven fights." And then everybody was mad that there wasn't. It looks like a regular card. >> But like I thought Jon Jones was going to be on it. I think that's why people
3:23 thought Conor McGregor was going to be on it. That's why there everybody's thinking there's something that's not spectacular. Yeah. Meanwhile, you got MVP doing like Ronda Rousey and you know, you know, it's like that's spectacular. I want to see some spectacular ████ That's what I want. >> it's Yeah, I don't know. It's it's all kind of a ████ show. >> American ████ Like what? No, no, like ████ the all-American boys. Like have a Have Colby Covington. Have Sean Strickland. Like white versus minorities or something like that, you know? Even Sean Strickland was like, "I don't want to be on that fight card." That's true, though. He was He was saying like, "I don't want to be on that fight card with all these guys are hanging out with Epstein." Even he was saying that, and he's the most all-American guy. >> That's true, though, in terms of like, you know, during like the the the Latin Heritage Night at the Sphere that one time. They were like getting a lot of like, you know, Latin Heritage people to
4:14 like fight and stuff. >> Oh, yeah. It was like Team Mexico almost. Yeah, it would kind of make sense that on like the White House card there would There would be an American theme. >> Not necessarily all straight white people. You know what I know the problem is, though? Team America. The problem is in MMA, Americans are just not as good as the rest of the world. They're not as good as the Russians. They're not as good as the Brazilians. But you know who the best American is of all time? Jon Jones. Yeah, but he But he too problematic. Yeah, but you can't trust him. Go on the knees, hands and knees. He was trying to. >> And then pay him what he wants. But then again, they're looking at it from a standpoint of if he wants 30 The rumor is he wants $30 million to fight. He's 42 years old. He's talking about he has arthritis in his hip. He has no He He doesn't know how much more he's going to fight. Why would the UFC pay him $30
5:06 million just Because he knows what he's capable. >> But is he going to Is he going to Is Is him fighting on the White House card going to help them make money back? I think so. His last fight, he went up to heavyweight for the first time, and he ████ demolished With that back kick? He demolished Was that Ciryl Gane? No. >> No, no, no. Uh no, who'd he fight? Stipe. Stipe. >> Some really old guy. An old firefighter. demolished Stipe, and he demolished Ciryl Gane, who was arguably the best striker in the heavyweight division. It's like his track record is insane. It's like if Michael Jordan came back and was still just as good. Yeah. That's what I think. I think that was a big fumble. But he also He's also doing a bunch of coke, and he's like he's like uh 30 million is 30 million. If you if if you're getting like, you know, your ROI on the fight. >> The rumor was that
5:56 he asked for 30 million, the UFC decided to go a different route. Because they already spent apparently in the news they're saying they're spending like up to 30 million dollars just on the build-out for the White House card. Oh, yeah, cuz it's not even an arena, huh? >> Yeah, so they have to build out a whole like tiny arena just for this. And some people are even saying upwards of 60 mil. >> they don't got a traveling octagon. No, I could see I could see I mean for the bleachers though. I mean I could see to blow out your business aspect of it, but then from a fan point of view, it's like >> But they also made 7 billion dollars, too. Yeah, so what's 30 million? Give it to that guy. How did they make 7 billion? On the Paramount deal. Paramount bought the exclusive rights to UFC for the next like 8 years, I think. They probably burnt it all. That's crazy. Burning 7 billion dollars. Been some time already, dude.
6:46 >> That's like a Hawaiian train story. Yeah, that's hands down the best the best American I can think of. Yeah. But they were trying to apparently, but they couldn't get it through. Because Jon Jones is notorious for pulling out of deals. So, they couldn't trust him. That's just the way it is, you know? Like fighters are all crazy. Fighters are nuts. You know what they're like. And some of the actually the one some of the more exciting matches I've I've been looking towards is have you guys heard of Wrath? Some wrestling. So, it's like a new wrestling uh league, and there's a lot of UFC fighters on it. So, they're they're doing a very exciting approach to like grappling only, and it's freestyle wrestling rules. So, it's like what collegiate wrestling does. You don't like it? No, I do like it. I like it. The matches are sick. No, they are. I think that sound effect was like snoring. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the the the matches are sick, and the one of them was Colby Covington. I just feel like it's in indicative if he thinks
7:36 this is wack. He thinks it's wack? No, I don't think it's wack. I don't think it's It's like almost like he's saying it's ████ No, they didn't. You guys had Georgie on You guys had Georgie on the podcast. >> Yeah, he was being a he was being a bad boy. He was being >> What is a bad boy? What's a bad You saw you saw that man. So, we had this guy on named Giorgio. He's this guy is famous on social media and he has a sign >> down, you get a thousand bucks I think. >> I didn't know that was that wasn't his. I I didn't know that was the homie Dylan. He's he's the one that created it originally the Dylan Danis? No, not Dylan. Oh, I got you. >> collegiate wrestler. He's friends with Pat Downey. Okay. >> Um but he he was uh he had a match with this Armenian UFC guy and he kept like punching him. He kept doing like dirty, borderline you could say it's wrestling but it's kind of dirty. You know what I mean? It's like dude, if we were in a fight, you would just punch me in the face like instead of doing all this, right? >> dirty wrestling. >> And then and then he was doing all this
8:27 and Arman Tsarukyan punched him out. He socked him out after their match and it was caused this big controversy. Oh, after the match? >> Yeah, right after right after he won he just won. He cuz he's kind of still in a on top position. So, he just started socking him and >> And he had like blood all over his face. And some people say it was deserved. I might be one of those people that's in that camp. Why you going to Cuz that sounds exciting as ████ >> Way more exciting. It's almost like WWE antics but then now it's real wrestling and then the action is good and they're the matchups you want to see. Plus it's like real wrestling like they're not wearing like those padded gloves, right? >> wear in singlets, brother, and they're just wrestling. >> And they wear costumes? No, no, no. Just like like traditional like collegiate wrestling. No, no, no. They're not doing pro wrestling. They're not doing pro wrestling. It's more like collegiate or Olympic like stuff. >> It's the same league as that one guy who does the pizza and throws the pizza. That'll be sick.
9:17 >> That's cool. The pizza guy? The pizza guy is sick. >> Pizza guy. But that that venue looks hype, too. No, it's crazy. >> And all the UFC fighters show up cuz everyone's a fan of wrestling. >> But it's you know, it's wrestling, though. >> Except for this guy. I love wrestling. Wrestling is sick. But for the normal fan that wants to the typical UFC fan that wants to watch them get knocked out, I don't think they're going to want want I'm going you in singlets wrestle each other. So, which is know, opinion. So they're talking about they're talking about Jon Jones wrestling DC. You wouldn't watch that? Oh yeah, why would I not? Continuing that rivalry. ████ sick. Yeah, that's sick. But it's not $30 million worth. No. No. >> But I'm saying that that that's where I some of the cool match-ups are now. In my opinion. >> Oh, I see. I see. I see what you're That's what I'm saying. At the end of the day, I think I'm a basic ass person trying to be entertained by ████ I need a good story. See? Story matters a lot. >> And I need some blood. >> And that's why you need Jon Jones at the White House. I think that's a great story. He was supposed to fight Alex, apparently, but it didn't it didn't
10:08 happen. Didn't happen. And at the same time, you don't need like a Jon Jones at the White House. When we went to go see Hinata at Tough Enough and like we didn't know ████ anybody and every fight was sick as ████ But we don't know if that one made money. We would need we need a packed house. That's the thing. We need a packed house. If you want to try to pack a house and you want the very first White House UFC I think you need Jon Jones. >> Are they actually going to pack that White House? Like with bleachers and ████ Nah, they're going to have like limited fans. Right? Cuz it's more going to be like not televised, but yeah, it's like streamed. Like it can't be like just some randos coming up. Cuz I we talked to some of the UFC staff and they were They need like a press secretary like commenting on the fight. That would make so much sense. Yeah, ████ right. They we're talking about some of the staff members that are going to work the event and they're like already getting background checked like two like three
10:58 months ago. So they're all just going through that process of making sure that everyone that needs to be there Imagine is legit. Imagine just like another country, a warring countries using that particular event as like a moment. That'd be so Well, you know what the other you know what the other like they want half of the UFC champions, they're all Russian. And a lot of people are saying none of those Russian fighters are on this card for that reason. Because of the security threat. Security threat. Yeah. So like they they got the most >> they would want to be on the card? Yeah, some of those guys wanted to be, you know, like Islam wanted to be on it. He was saying he was, but I don't know if there's conflict between Russia and America, so we're not going to see them fight. And they're the biggest stars. They're the biggest guys. >> ones are the biggest stars right now. They're the ones that get the most views worldwide, so but they're not going to be at the White House. >> That's what I mean. Like this card is kind of like
11:50 I'm I'm not excited for it. Really? You're going to watch it? Yeah. Yeah, you're going to watch it. You're not excited a little bit. >> excited. >> Come on, dude. We're UFC fans are all ████ I'm going to annoy you. >> on it? You got Topuria versus who? Gaethje. That's a fun fight. That's a good fight. >> You don't want to see Alex Pereira fight? That's No, that's a fun fight, but that's not a White House fight. Who else? What Okay, what What are you talking about, dude? That's crazy. That's a crazy take. >> the only White House fight for him includes Jon Jones. What is a White House card? Sean Strickland versus a black guy? No. White House card? First of all, everyone should come out looking like Thomas Jefferson with the white wig and the ████ the coattails. They should all come out like that. It's kind of sick. Or at least the ring girls got to be dressed like that. That'd be tight. >> Hell yeah, with the white powdered wigs. >> Yeah. Bouncing all over the place. They weren't bouncing back then, dude. Come on. >> Those Those wigs are bouncy. Those
12:40 quickers weren't ████ bouncing. And then Bruce Buffer got to come out on a horse like it's Paul Revere. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like announcing the wars happening. In an American flag outfit. >> Dude, Joe Rogan and Dana White wearing those bouncy wigs would be lit. >> Yeah, cuz they're bald. I don't know. To me personally, I'm conflicted cuz I'm a big UFC fan. I'm a big MMA fan. And but it's just going to be >> about the card or no? It's okay, but it's like Part of me It's weird that it's in the White House. I just think the the the the the fact that it's at the White House is just weird. >> That is weird. I think that's the whole point. >> The whole thing is >> Well, it's supposed to be a spectacle, but it's like But why? Right? It just seems so unnecessary. It feels like the And for me, I like watching sports cuz it's not political, even though it's always politicized. So, just seeing it become this whole
13:30 like now it's like a right-wing sport or whatever, and that's fine, but it's just like why are we doing this at the White Do we don't get anything out of it for being at the White House, I think. That's I think Cuz remember back Is this a Trump flex? Yeah, remember And that's what it feels like. And remember back in the day for the UFC, they used to go to the troops, and they would fight for the troops, and those fights were sick because they would get guys who actually served in the military, and they would fight in the main event, like Tim Kennedy. He would always fight on those cards. Yeah, exactly. And like for whatever reason, those felt way cooler because it it was for the troops, right? It was for the people that are actually doing I feel like that the White House is stronger. Yeah, exactly. And to me, I feel like that's more patriotic, I think. So, you think if they had it on base on one of the like UAE or something, that would be more like, "F███ you, Iran." Like, yeah. So, the Saudi Or what I would rather
14:20 see, cuz it's like when you like think about a brand and what they do, and you distill it down to its DNA, it's about finding the best mixed martial artist, right? I would much rather them do a remake of Bloodsport and call it like UFC whatever the Kumite, and have that ████ Kumite is not very White House. That's what I'm saying. But then if you do it, everyone's like, "Oh, I get it." When you do the White House >> One night only tournament or something like that. >> you but when you do that, you're like, "Uh why?" But Kumite was invented by a white guy with a ponytail. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like that just it just raises so many questions. >> Yeah. It just It's just going to be weird.
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