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What Actually Happened to Gene Hackman?

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0:00 They call me DEA, baby. So, what are the reasons could somebody just be like seriously dead on the floor with no trauma, no injuries like besides As a guy who took a cop test like five times. Yeah. [Music] Since this room is just so full of smart people, It's not true. [Music] Not that not this table. Let's just solve it already. What happened to Gene Hackman and his wife and dog? Dude, I've been reading a lot about this one. I haven't had a chance to read it. At first they thought so Gene Hackman he was found dead in his house. His wife was found dead as well and one of the dogs two of the dogs were dead. They thought carbon monoxide poisoning. They thought that he had yeah that there was like a gas leak somewhere but then it just it had come out later that there actually wasn't any carbon monoxide leak

0:50 of any type. That's confirmed? Yeah. That is confirmed. It's It's confirmed as much as it can be at least. How what? Why would they think that? Like what led them to believe The initial speculation. Oh. Cuz how they found them. When I read like the poisoning I just thought that it was like a double suicide situation like they got into the car. You know how they keep the car running in the garage. Um They were they But the dog too, man? It was did they they were found their bodies found in different rooms. So the wife was found in the bathroom laying on the floor with uh and there were a bunch of prescription pills strewn about on the counter and So there was a heater near her, right? They said I heard I heard there were like there were the body's been decomposed and they said there was a heater near her and I was like They were mummified I guess because they said it's been over it's almost two weeks since they've they were found like two weeks after almost. I think his pacemaker was like nine days Wow. or

1:41 something and then Gene Hackman was in the mud room whatever that's called. So they all they all died? Wait, a mud room? Like what's a mud room? Mud room is just like where you take Oh. I don't know what that is either. I thought it was like they put the clay I thought it was like a mud bath like room. But no no no brutal the dog was in a kennel inside of the closet. And that's how it was in the bathroom closet. So he starved to death. I don't know. Two weeks? I think dogs can survive two weeks without eating. They're savages. They eat their own piss. I don't know if they have a record of when the dog died. They just it was just dead but What do you think happened there? Okay, I think Gene Hackman caught his wife cheating. Double suicide. Triple homicide. Wow. He killed the dog, too? Catch your wife cheating. That's what me and Nick would do. Instantly. She's um boom. Boom. They got an age

2:32 difference They got an age difference of like 30 years. Wait, was he walked to the other room? Don't they have like a 30-year age difference? Yeah, something like that. I thought he bought her in Thailand or something. Bought her in Thailand? What the ████ Is she Chinese, though? Is she Chinese? Do you think she's Chinese? I think she's Chinese, yeah. She's from Yo, what if what if Okay, I got it. I got it. I got it. Okay, we don't know we don't know what they found in the trash yet, okay? So check this out. What if they ate something so crazy they all had a heart attack? Like what? Well, yeah. What would cause a Like Gene Hackman was like I WANT TO DO THAT ONE CHIP CHALLENGE. GIVE ME THE ONE CHIP. GIVE ME THE DAMN SWEETHEART, I LOVE HOT ONES. HOLD ON. HOLD ON. Let's do the last dance. I can DO IT. YEAH YEAH YEAH. DON'T THEY WERE FIGHTING ABOUT WHO COULD ACTUALLY do it? He He's like I heard they have ghost pepper dogs now at Burger King.

3:24 NO, EXACTLY. GHOST PEPPER DOGS. GHOST WHAT? Gene Hackman, we got to try those ghost pepper dogs. Yeah, the dog, too? Yeah, the yeah yes. They died the dog fighting I'll never say no to a challenge. The night the night before they already had something spicy so heartburn up the hoo-ha, okay? He's 95, by the way. Oh oh absolutely. This could be the ████ reason that if what I ████ carbon monoxide, right? It might be this. Check this out. What the hell? He's Australian, though. Check this out. The the wife's Asian so if they ate probably something spicy that means the blood part the what do you call it the ████ blood pressure the arteries Yeah, thanks sir. The arteries might be insanely high at that time. Insanely wicked high. Wicked, bro. And then I'll check this out and then the sodium is intense so they're already ████ they're going up in here, all

4:14 right? And then next thing you know the ████ husband and the wife said hey, we're so ████ bored out of our ████ minds. Why don't we eat some ████ spicy hot chips? Some nugs. Some chips. Some song so hot. Wendy's spicy nugs. Check it out. Check it out. The ████ husband's like ████ man. I got to go to the ████ mud room. It's getting intense in here. He's got He's got a Crocodile Dundee now. And then and then the wife's like the wife's like holy ████ I need to lay the ████ down. It's ████ busy in here. And boom, heart attack. Could be. But what about the dog? I think so, yeah. ate the ████ ████ that was on the ground the leftover the the pieces. Dog was like Dogs do that. Well, ████ Let me get myself in the cage but I ████ ████ So it wasn't because they wanted to do a spicy ramen challenge? Spicy ramen Spicy chip challenge. Yeah, nobody knows. Yeah. I think they were just like

5:05 hey, you know, I think you got to connect with the young folks and you got to do this new mukbang thing and then they all try to do a family vlog channel thing and then spicy noodle challenge. Their stomachs weren't ready for it. That definitely think it's foul play? You think that they were actually murdered? So Randy Quaid, not exactly known as being a sane person, um he has a theory. Is that the guy who did the He was the pitcher in that movie? He was the rookie? Is that him? No, that's Dennis Quaid's his brother. He's the guy Is he the guy who flies the plane into the the guy yeah hello boys I'm back in Independence Day. Um also he was in the Chevy Chase um National Lampoon's movie. Yeah. He's the guy that drove the RV. The uncle. The uncle. Point being he has a theory that Gene Hackman was was one of the top of the list of who's getting residgy checks. Like talking about

5:56 Hollywood residuals. So like think about how many movies this cat's been They're like we don't want to pay no more. And and it's from like good rate days. The royalties are just racking up on the Gene Hackman account and Randy Quaid's theory is that they offed him. They paid someone to off him so they didn't have to pay him anymore cuz there's so many so much residgies it's like insane. Wow. But they waited till he was 95? It's kind of a long time to wait. Waiting till he's 95? Cuz the guys that were paying out probably died before him. Also you can risk so much he could just die from old age. But the residuals you can pass those on. That's what doesn't make sense. Can you? Yeah. If you put it in Not if the wife's dead. SAG makes you write down the people that get your residuals after you die. cuz the Michael Jackson estate just still controls Randy Quaid would know that cuz he's in SAG, isn't he? Randy Quaid is kind of a crazy person

6:47 as I stated. But they wouldn't have they wouldn't have known anyways because, you know, they're just Killing him over that and then someone tells you and then THEN YOU GO [Laughter] YOU JUST KEEP KILLING THE NEXT PERSON DOWN. SAG is like oh we did it for nothing. We don't even know our own policy. Yeah, maybe he didn't build a trust. That's why they know. They're like Yeah, when you when you sign up for SAG you like mine goes to my sister when I die. So she's getting $4. Damn. What do I got to do to get on that list? I got to get on your list, dude. Want to become a stunt man? Huh? Speak of a stunt man. I don't think my brain cells can handle that, honestly. But anyways, this is not about me. It's about Gene Hackman. Gene Hackman. Yeah, I don't know. It doesn't look like it's a murder, I guess. I don't know. It's

7:37 too uh Really? It's just odd that two people died like that. Well, cuz who's murdering a freaking like 95-year-old Cuz then you're not using blunt force trauma. You're not shooting him. Like what are you doing to a 95-year-old dude? You can't choke them both out with a pillow cuz they're both in the rooms, right? Well, they weren't they weren't in beds. Oh. She was on the bathroom floor. Oh, I thought she was in her bed. I think there's a theory, too, that maybe she found him dead and then she offed herself. That's I've seen that one. what theory, yeah. Oh, like she was he died in his sleep? Yeah, he was like pa pa pa peace. Like I don't want to live without you. And then the dog died was just like an oopsy. Yeah, I mean I would have put down like a couple couple bags before. Food? Yeah yeah. I cuz you know that that is weird cuz if you were thinking about offing yourself

8:28 you wouldn't leave your dog in a cage. You just let them out. I agree. That's that's the odd thing. If if the dog was found in the cage might be foul play. You know what I'm saying? Also we're assuming that these people are considerate. True. And think and and thinking through the process of offing oneself. Another assumption was that cuz I guess this actually happens more than people think but like let's say you have a guy who's like really old and he needs care. If the caretaker dies like unexpectedly then the old guy can't take care of himself and then he dies. It usually goes in that order. But then it it there it wasn't that order apparently. So what if they Oh, well. They didn't do an autopsy but what if it was poisoning of he poisoned her and he poisoned himself. On accident.

9:18 They did do an autopsy. They did? I think they're doing one. Oh, they're doing right now? Yeah, cuz that's what the the thing I usually try to wait for is like all right that'll explain They found all the pills, right? Well, that's how they found out it wasn't from like a carbon monoxide poisoning, yeah. Wait, did did he die in his bed? Am I making this up? He was in the mud room. I don't know if he Like a mud room? Mud room and bathroom. Am I crazy? Is a mud room like you know, you come in from outside in the middle of winter and you take off your boots in the mud room, right? Like to No, I think isn't it like They're in New Mexico so Don't like certain sauna places like Yes, that's exactly what that is. I live on the East Coast, ████ That's what that is. I have never heard of that. We don't have mud in California. Yeah, exactly. It says it's side. It's a space side in the house where people can take off their outdoor clothing, remove their soiled shoes, store equipment, and even clean their pets. Typically, it serves as a

10:09 secondary entrance. So you won't track a bunch of ████ in. Bougie LA selves are like, "Oh yeah, the sauna." Yeah, exactly. I was like, "I don't think it's that." That's what I thought. It's a spa. That's what I thought cuz I thought they call them a clay room or some ████ yeah? have like the salt room. I pictured him in a tub like he had It's like a little There's like a little little water little waterfall in there. Man, that's what I thought. What the ████ White noise machine. Yeah, so it says yeah, they believe that they were they had died a couple weeks before they were found. Their bodies are partially mummified. Yeah. Interesting, huh? It's a weird place to die. Like Yeah, mud room and bathroom and Cuz it's basically like a little hallway. What if it was just they ate um freaking Chimichangas. No, no, they would have What if they just ate ████ expired ham?

10:59 Like you? That s███'s intense when you're older. Got to be. Yeah, that could kill you if you're old. YEAH, THEY'RE RIGHT. HONESTLY, IF YOU'RE 95, A LOT OF THINGS could kill you. And then she tried to take the pills to feel better. But then it looked like a suicide because yeah. But but the dog part Dogs digest things differently. So I don't know that I think that's true. Once again, the dog ate whatever they dropped. And that's what I'm saying though. Dogs digest things differently than that. I think the dog would be fine. Does it say? It doesn't not say. That's all. That's the leading theory right now is the one chip challenge, the packet. That's why they took them off the shelves. Have you guys heard this? I did hear that. Or he had too much of that that new drink from from 7-Eleven? No, it says There's nothing There's no They had no trauma. There's no head or brain injury. They There's nothing that

11:51 suggests that they fell. Which is So it sounds like the autopsies people don't know either. They can't have figured it out. Dude, they kind of suck at their job. shows a guy going like this. They're like, "This is what This is what they didn't die from. Come back next week. We'll tell you what they actually died from." That's what it feels like. Just ████ tell us. There's no ballistics damage. There's no grenades. I love how they were so quick to go, "Ah, carbon monoxide poisoning." And then they go, "Oopsie, it's not. We thought it was propane, but it's not propane." I guess cuz that could so easily happen. I mean, that almost happened to you. Yeah, when you think of like just two people dying, just falling dead, you're like, "Oh, gas, easy." Like carbon monoxide or something. But then it smells. Yeah, and you have you have the sensors, you know what I'm saying? But maybe some people take those off their house. Oh, hey, listen to this. You're getting close with this. Former Former Former FBI agent Bill Daily

12:41 suggested that food poisoning could have been a possible cause. Suben was right. Oh, hell yeah. He's going to apply to your force. Expired ham. Oh, hell yeah. Suben's going to work for the FBI one day. I'm big big ham, dude. That's police work to me. Big ham freaking They call me DEA, baby. So what are the reasons could somebody just be like seriously dead on the floor with no trauma, no injuries like besides As a guy who took a cop test like five times. Yeah. [Laughter] Well, now I'm in the National Guard process. Yeah, tell them. Tell them. So you've seen five different variations of the same test. What do you think? ████ that. Wait, what? So what else could it be besides expired food? Besides expired ham. I mean, I feel like you got it, but like just to entertain us. It's just It was their time to die. I'm like Oh, just the Grim Reaper Yeah, heart heart attack.

13:31 I'm telling you, it was just probably just a heart attack or something. They're old as ████ 95. No foul play? She's like 60 something. Dude, that too. That too though. 60, you're in the range to get hit with Yeah, you're in the range for sure. If you have bad cholesterol Yeah, now people die at 50. She's 65. Oh, dude, she passed that limit. Yeah, 100%. You think 65's the Grim Reaper day? 65, 50 and up is now Grim Reaper level. 50? Yes, it is. It 100% is. 50 and up is now the level. So why did the Grim Reaper come for both of them? Because Grim Reaper said, "But y'all ain't doing ████ but chilling at the house. It's time." Yeah. You need not You got to hustle. You got to do something. You all just chilling. Did he have to take the dog, too? The The dog's something else. I don't know anything about the dog right now. I have

14:21 no You're not willing to speak on the dog. I can't speak on the dog, man, cuz that ████ is sad. Why in the cage? Maybe he watched Uncut Gems. That movie's intense, dude. That movie doesn't let go It doesn't let you go. You're just You're just That movie's got you by the balls the whole time. And maybe it stresses her out. Did you Did you guys ever want to be a investigator? Like Like a detective and you just want to solve ████ I did. I wanted to be an FBI For like 9 days I did cuz I watched this movie called Harriet the Spy. Oh, Harriet the Spy. Dude, everyone wanted to be She just died, which is very sad. But for like 9 days I wanted to be a spy. I think every Every kid in my neighborhood wanted to be a spy for like 3 days after that. After I watched Spy Kids Do you guys remember there used to be like a spy store back in the day like a Radio Shack? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they do. They do.

15:11 It's usually like museums or some ████ It's like a gift shop. Yeah. They also usually have magic stuff. It's mostly magic ████ Sleight of hand stuff. Yeah, I should. Why did you want to still be a spy? Not if you guys make it sound lame. It's not lame. No, it's so cool. No, no, no, no, no. Tell your honest feelings. I think it's cool. We'll support you. Yeah, just be honest. What do you want to do? I think I always wanted to detective ████ but I realized that I just make wild accusations and I don't have really any evidence and it's more of a witch hunt style in my mind. Maybe you're more of a like a Maybe you're more of a psychic detective. I am. Honestly, you might be a good cop then cuz you just bend all the evidence to your your narrative. That's pretty I just plant ████ and I'm like, "I know you're ████ guilty." It's not like there's a lot of fair cops out there. So what does Detective Jit Sukow make of this crime scene with Gene

16:01 Hackman? Mhm. Your honest psychic Foul play? Foul play? Foul play. In the terms of what? I got to figure out who the person is, but I'll find them. Ah, and also I'll find out what the motive is. Yeah. Who would want to kill Gene Hackman? I think Gene Hackman's just like I don't know. He's like Buffalo Wild Wings has he's like garlic chicken spicy nuts. They They cook their stuff with tallow now. Yep, it's beef tallow. Beef tallow. Yeah, they don't use seed oil. So it's healthy. It's actually healthy. Yeah, Wingstop, yeah. Let's go. It's healthier. And for the Wing for lunch and for the Wing Burger spot. That's like one of the only spots. Oh, for the Wing, he likes that place. Me Me and Joey yesterday. Yeah, I took him I took him to the Yeah, he picked me up from the airport.

16:52 And then he cut my hair. Damn, why did I die, boy? He did a great job. Full service. Yeah. I got to pet his dogs. So as a detective, your your opinion is that you will find the guy and the motive. Yep, I will find the guy and I will force the motive out of him. Yeah, that's sick. Oh, that's how Waka. Isn't that how you're supposed to do it in the I think I would have actually been a good Gestapo. Like, you know, Inglourious Basterds style. I'd be scared of you. Yep. But um Dude, back in your bald days, ████ yeah. For sure. Yeah, I would just find so many Jewish people. So many Jewish How? How would you do it? Um Go to the Jewish church, maybe. Too obvious. Too obvious. Too obvious. Too obvious. Just go to the banks. Yep, that's one. They probably work at the bank. Go to the Go to a deli, maybe.

17:44 A diamond store? A bagel store. A diamond store. 7-Eleven store. Pickle factory? Oh, that's good. See? Get him. Pickle factory, uh newspapers cuz back then they didn't have, you know, internet. So newspaper Um loan loan company Yeah. The bar mitzvah store. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Excuse me, you guys sell menorahs, right? Lock the door. But I think if YouTube doesn't work out for me, I'm going to be a detective. Okay. Yep, it's really good. Good luck. Thanks. Hey, me and Suben we're going to be cops. My favorite thing about this story though is everyone just talking about Gene Hackman movies and no one's talking about how he got murdered, maybe. Like everyone's like, "Did you guys see Did you guys I love The Replacements."

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