0:00 you know that movie Boondock sints William defo just goes in he's like the bullets came from here came down yeah it came down from the ceiling these guys died [Music] first all right welcome back to the JK Precinct uh episode of the careful boys where today we have Lieutenant Aram Cho with us and we're going to need your investigative and detective uh hat on as you tell us based off of what you understand of us what kind of cops we would be imagine if we were monter Park Police Department oh give us give us our role and then yeah what would we be doing give us a rank like imagine we like the height that we would reach in
0:50 our career yeah like you said earlier Bart's a super cop our final ranking yeah but Bart would go through a lot of uh Road bumps along the way as a rookie he would be getting into trouble Shenanigans pushing the envelope but he had learned from all that and then eventually would mature to probably someone that become a field training officer and as a field training officer you would feel the responsibility Weighing on your shoulders to rear up these these new officers and you would your responsibility would grow and other people would see that and be like Bart can be a sergeant let's give him more people so I can see Bart elevating to the at least the rank of sergant your ceiling is super high I think you can go all the way to the top so I'll be one of those in the 50s yeah I'll be one of those old old guys with the low rank because I pushed the boundaries too much no but but you're but you're also you got that entrepreneurial uh spirit
1:40 which means you're a go-getter so you you won't want to settle right I don't I think you'll like it me mental mentality wise like I don't want to be anything past a sergeant once you get a taste of Sergeant you're like you know what I could be a lieutenant so and I think you'll be one of those guys that uh because you have a sense of humor I think this for all all you guys actually you guys will be well respected by your troops because there are people that are my rank that people don't respect oh you're a micromanager or you're just an admin guy um but I actually sit in briefings with the guys where a lot of the lieutenants don't what rank were you in the military translator you're a sergeant but the Sergeant's way different like I would say a sergeant in the police force is almost like like a private like a first sergeant in the military it's like really up there right how long does it take to become a sergeant in the in the police I think the average is about 11 to 12 years a long time yeah but I think
2:32 I think with I think the position of the the way it's viewed and respected is the same cuz we have a lot of military people on the police department and it's the same thing hey Sarge hey sge hey sge and um the sarge is you know you're you're you're not the admin guy you're still you know but you're not the line guy but you're the guy that's kind of gone through it all and you're the guy that has the answers you're the guy that's making the decisions and the and like the line guys have to trust the sergeant yeah yeah so and there's a unique unique relationship my my funnest job ever was Patrol sergeant that was probably the best time I ever had cuz relationship is so unique you're out there in the trenches with the guy guys whereas once you promote again to Lieutenant you're really detached from all that cuz then that's when you're more admin or in the office yeah so like you know even at command post we used to go out to the field and uh and run the command post so that the sergeant can can run the the element the search element or whatever but do you wear more
3:23 suit and tie versus your uniform no I wear a uniform U so so yes at certain departments once you get to a lieutenant you'll just wear a po shirt but our admin everybody from the chief down wears a uniform so it's just it's it's um it's a Unity thing unity of command thing that our chief decided or several Chiefs ago decided that they were going to do but when I first came to the department it was not uncommon to see lieutenant and above wearing normal clothes um but yeah so so you mentioned that Sergeant Bart over here would probably get into a bunch of ████ uh in his earlier St what specifically do you see him like ████ around with practicing furtherance [Music] yeah he gets it he gets it I just think you're probably more of a goal like you you want to get to the goal you see a goal you have this idea you're a creative type person and you're obsessed with that until you get it done that you
4:13 might uh blur the lines of means justifying the ends I'm like oh you know this guy needs to go to jail and he plants evidence no uh cck not plants evidence but you might just you might be on them like dude why are you harassing me why why it's just a matter of time before you commit a crime well leave me leave me alone leave me alone and then someone will eventually pull you back and say hey Bart good but there's other other dogs to catch too right I want to catch this one this is my favorite uh Nick I don't know man um I think because you are the you're a professor already um you're already used to teaching people I can see you also elevating to the rank of Sergeant um but being one of those guys that probably is the guy that pulls people hey dude that knocked that off he hey good arrest but I would have done
5:03 this differently you might want to think about doing this and which I eventually see leading you to being like a training manager you're the guy that's going to be training all the field training officers you are that I would love that I would actually love that he's a great instructor he trained all of us and he he uh he worked magic with a friend of ours that nobody could ever help yeah through sexual favors that was how I do that see you understand you understand that not everybody learns the same way so you found a way to motivate everybody there's always a way you just practice uh empathy I think that goes kind of the same for you guys I mean the the unique thing about all you guys is all you guys are creatives um and I think creatives just have a different U mindset when it comes to law enforcement like like I'm kind of an an I told you guys I'm an anomaly because I had my degrees and stuff like that but but police work
5:54 wasn't always the end goal for me right police police work was something that I said when I first started maybe I'll do it for 10 years and it was say it was a good ride and then 10 years came it's was like and I had a family well this has actually been good for my family and the job became fun I'll give it another 10 years and then now it's going to be 30 years yeah wow crazy but but you know for me I've been fortunate cuz it's not the case for a lot of officers you have a lot of officers that have just been pushing a black and white for 25 30 years and they're just done with the job right and they're just waiting to get to retirement age luckily I mean I've been blessed in my career that I've had a lot of opportunities to do different things and promote incrementally like just just when I'm about getting tired of that position There's an opportunity to promote and I do and that's not the case for everybody and I've been blessed that I've been able to do that it's kind of kept my interest in the job CU different functions now you know when I was at Sergeant mentoring the fto uh now I'm
6:45 that Lieutenant mentoring the sergeants and um I just see I have a different place in my life um but with that said all you guys being creative you guys also have different personalities right um uh so but I think at the end of the day all you you guys have tremendous ceilings you guys are all intellectual um well spoken you guys can probably make it all the way up to Chief what we could be day but see the thing is whether or not that's that's if you want to whether or not you want to would be high you know uh what does chief chief a corrupt Chief are they more at that point is it more political you're working with like city government you're working with media or whatever and all that yeah so it's a tough job like um you know at my agency I don't know that I'd ever want to be the chief because it's isn't that exactly why you should be Chief yeah Jon Snow
7:38 Yeah I'm not the King of the North you I mean I I I shouldn't say that because I it may sabotage if if anybody at Works watching it may sabotage my chances if I do change my mind but at this point um you know I've seen many chiefs get um you know they they live at work you're there six seven days a week um you're always answering calls from the politicians from the city man it just doesn't stop but that's your job right and do you ever stop thinking about the job no it's either and when the phone calls do stop you're lying in bed worrying about your entire department because you're privy to intimate details that I I'm not even uh uh privy to like Internal Affairs investigations um you know injured officers or officers going through personal health problems officers going through divorce a lot of those things funnel directly to the chief right hey I don't feel comfortable
8:29 telling my boss Chief can I just talk to you so you absorb all that especially at an agency like my size 150 or less you know everybody and then you're the man that's now looking out for the welfare of your officers and um you know that's a tough thing to have on your shoulders like am I making the right decision for the guy because the decision you might make you make might be good with half the guys but the other half may not be okay with it but what's the right decision at that point you know you you have to make a decision that's not only good for the guys you have today but the guys that will be coming generationally generationally and then then on top of that it's like I've got to pay attention to the people that are promoting or want to promote cuz after I leave this place as a chief I got to think about who the next chief is going to be and then who's going to fill in that Captain spot that got vacated you're literally a CEO yes you're the CEO of that position spok like a chief huh sound like a chief man well Chief material how about when you
9:20 watch Batman and then you have Commissioner Gordon what's a commissioner that and why does he get to flash the bad signal why isn't no what the hell is a commissioner different different states like different states do police differently right so like some states have constables uh some states have Marshals some states have um uh uh Commissioners uh it just it just depends how their government local government is set up so it's a different name go city does commissioner right and and then there are police Commissioners too that are the commission they're the civilian executive of an oversight committee that advises the chief right super big cities will do that so is that more of like a checks and balances thing yeah weird so you're very very nice and very very articulate we appreciate that but for
10:10 the fun of this exercise hey Bart what kind of cop would Joe be a corrupt one huh but still on like like gray area like you know like when you watch a show and he's like a corrupt one it's an anti-hero but like he's good like chief uner on freaking Sons of Anarchy he's so cool I feel that madc corrupt I can see you letting somebody go and then just ████ breaking his legs or something like it's I'm not trying to generalize you guys and lump you guys as just but please if you can well I'm not lumping you guys as creative but it it it is if you guys stepped foot into a police station today you guys would be different you would notice right away you guys are different than the rest of the guys you guys will figure out a way to fit in obviously you did that in the Marine Corps you do that in Jiu-Jitsu and you do that in your you know traveling and stuff like that but you
11:01 guys that's the skill that creative people have right you can kind of adapt to any environment that you're in but you'll see like wait a minute how come you didn't think about this how come I thought about it so easily and you didn't think about this and that's when you realize your ceiling might be higher than the next you'll know once you step you'll never promote your work ethic sucks and all you guys are here today because of your work ethic and your uh your ability to think outside the box I think Ryan would make a really good detective he's in homicide for sure because he thinks like the serial killer he'd be a great you know that movie Boondock SS William def just goes in he's like the bullets came from here came down yeah it came down from the ceiling these guys died first he's like he doesn't put gloves on he's just touching the blood yeah he's like iron the brain is I can see I can see the
11:51 gears turning right now want to be an undercover prostitute that's my job that's going be Joe Action yeah I think I'll be a good undercover cop be good undercover oh Joe I think what Joe will be will be remember in Donnie Brasco Johnny Depp was it Johnny de yeah Johnny got so embedded so deeply he was like who am I loyal to yeah yeah you he doesn't know which side I am maybe there's a way I can crack the case but also save the boss Anthony's our Honey Pop anytime we need anytime we need somebody yeah yeah yeah we use him to he's he's good Undercover I have a friend I I might break though I think he like he's one of those cops that love being a cop like that's his whole identity and um I think when you love it right like you I think he was he
12:42 had top arrest in his department for like the longest time and then um but he like explor like he he can't just stay on the street like he needs to explore so he went into being a detective and then the stuff that he was telling me like he would like cross state lines trying to catch a fugitive all this stuff and then like um now he's doing more of a officer stuff role but he's going back to the jails but now more as a superior oh okay promoted yeah so he wants to go more for like what is it is it is officer right so before he was more like field yeah he said like uh what sucks is so he works he's a deputy and I think he says what sucks is the last gig was the best because he was kind of like big fish in a small pond so Clon whenever hours he wanted chose the best hours holidays off to get to the
13:33 next position now he's kind of like a ████ again but he's a ████ amongst huge fish so now he gets like night shift and all whatever but I don't know what his new he said he was running the the jails right here in Chinatown oh okay and then he's like doing overtime like working 48 hours straight and all this crazy every time you promote there's a good chance you'll promote you start at the bottom again so you usually you go to the G we I've seen that a lot sergeants newly promoted Sergeants go back to the jails yeah he's like the bottom of the top yeah and then it's real quick after a few months in the jails I've seen a lot of sergeants that are you know that have that are valuable to being on the streets get pulled out to back to the units or back on the streets cuz I think those were the careers that you don't know about until someone who's an officer tells you about all these different like when he was a detective and he could drive around in those SUVs
14:24 and they catch all and all you do is like look for people with warrants yeah so it's like the on his stuff or like SWAT and all that right and then like I think the lay person the the normal person we just go oh an officer someone who just patrols and gives tickets or maybe there's a drug bust or something yeah there's a bunch of units you can go to right um I feel like they should like um either like promote them better or something cuz I I did my scuba certification with him and his other cop buddy because they were going to work the boats in the in the harbor for La sheriffs and I'm like that's something you even think they could be water cops yeah they're on they're on boats and they're like patrolling they're patrolling on the water that's something as as a a profession we do horribly like promoting all the cool stuff yeah we could do so much better to recruit
15:14 people and we don't I mean it's cuz the decision makers are usually not the creatives uh oh yeah I think we need to put a poster that shows the um the hiring incentive cool you know that's cool but every Department's doing that how and if I'm a creative for I'm like how do I stand apart from another agency recruiting the same Target people that we are right cuz those are the jobs that really made me go whoa that sounds really exciting that sounds fun yeah like Joe you could be a boat cop I mean there are people that like the sheriff's department there's a when I I was in Catalina uh in September and um as soon as you get off the uh the Catalina flyer or whatever boat you take to get over there you see the deputy car and it makes you think oh you don't think that there's he working Catalina and one step further yeah that's part of their jurisdiction yeah they live there too so that you get paid uh to live on
16:06 Free Housing at Catalina and you're just Patrol cruising Catalina and a golf cart or what's up that's yeah they have golf carts too yeah but they have an SUV they have a an Explorer oh dude another one that I thought was pretty cool was hostage negotiation that sounds so scary how would you do it Go Joe be like just kill hey dude come on man calling your bluff I got McDonald's all right you're just hungry that's all creators dude High cealing you just got that guy killed good job what about subin what about subin just go to town subin was supposed to come on a ride along uh Thursday or Friday and I told him cool man I'll be there it was Friday I will be there but you have to be there by 8 no longer than 8 that's the window I can't send you out
16:56 with the guys after 8:00 yeah I'll I'll be there I'll be there cool and then that same day I didn't hear anything from him so I'm it's about 5 or 6:00 how's it going you going to be able to make it on time still waiting on the wife to get home cuz he has a new baby a and so I I think he's like it's going to be after 8 I said oh man let's just let's just schedule at a different time low ceiling yeah already bad signs I love subin's tenacity and desire and I always say if you really want to be something you can so I um I think um that some of the advice I gave subin as he was entering through the process cuz he had been testing um I give him some advice to hey probably want to cool off on the social media and he didn't listen to that so I would say his ceiling is a little shorter than your guys's he he tried to he like went through and was like deleting all the
17:47 stuff he's all what what do you think I deleted a bunch of Clips I looked through I was like that's hard it's so hard to do because I think he'll be good as a SWAT guy in Mexico Mex sub's a super talented guy too I can very talented I can see him doing a lot of things like investigations uh he so easy to talk to and that's hard that's one of the hardest things for people that that are detectives trying to uh talk to s or when they interview somebody is they're not good communicators they're not personable themselves they're just like and they might say something that would elicit some sort of normal response but like M you know just just keep going whereas I think subin would be the type of guy that was like yeah dude I feel you on that and he's very personable yeah yeah and um you know I think you know it's the path for him I would definitely say is going to be somewhere
18:37 in either in training or investigations really or in or in Hawaii teaching like teaching other officers like a skill or or whatever he's into like guns or something yeah so like you know we have in-house uh classes right where we this week we got to teach about child abuse investigations typically dry traditionally dry but if I had a guy like subin who in engaging teaching that class I think he would make the class pretty cool yeah he would make it pretty fun yeah that's true yeah that's that's a good read damn that's really cool he just got a show up on top he wouldn't be good at feeling at reports nope that fool they'll tear him apart and he probably can't pull anybody over but with AI now you know with grammarly and stuff if that used to be a handicap for a lot of people not being able to be police officers but with grammarly now it's Game Changer grammarly is legit I got a full year subscription y chat jbt could write you a report yeah but don't
19:27 you have to know how to read it to know that it didn't mess it up can't use chat GP because that now now you're putting private information out in the public space so any cops listening out there don't collect your reports on chat GPT there's policies about that now departments yeah dang grammal is different it's not open source right it's not open source it uses you use it offline too yeah okay yeah oh ████ dang well I heard subin ditched that idea now he's going to go to fire fire department every other day he's he's you know well he was out there trying to help people at the sunset fire so he's uh he's inspired by that he wants to help that guy yeah he goes I just want to be in action man and I'm like I get it dude you you are built for adrenaline like I think if he can find some way to
20:17 help in that area without ████ it up without do well that's it
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