0:00 I can really understand why Jay-Z, not Jay-Z. [laughter] >> Love Jay-Z Hova brushes the dirt off his shoulder. >> Welcome back to another episode of Careful Boys, where we have Nick Dunn, expert on teenage psychology. >> That's not true. >> That's true. >> That's not true. >> He's being humble. >> That's crazy. >> That's crazy you labeled me with that. >> He specializes in underage. Silent Michael with us. Yeah, >> Michael. >> He's also >> an expert on child psychology. >> He's a big fan of his skills. >> Yeah. Why would they bring two of us? It's you, sir. They would bring two of the same experts. >> What are some like complaints that, you know, Gen Z has about life that you actually go, "Huh, that makes perfect sense." >> The housing stuff kind of makes sense.
0:50 >> The housing stuff makes a lot of sense. Although I've seen multiple breakdowns where they take like all the inflation plus salary plus cost of living plus what it takes to get a loan and whatever and it does matter like when you take the picture, you know, when you zoom in and out cuz there there was a time I think late '7s, early ' 80s where interest rates were really high. So that that was hard to buy a home. >> None of it makes perfect sense to me though. >> Yeah, same. >> I think it makes 50% sense. So like the the housing one it's if you took like let's say in the 70s what the average income in the average home like that ratio to now it's like how much people make has only gone up a little bit but then the homes are like 3 4x >> it's crazy right I'm like that that part of it is true >> but then the b███████ and moaning and complaining I'm like you're just being a little ████ ████ cuz real people will still find a way to overcome that right so I'm like that's the part that I'm like at the end of the day if you
1:40 want to win you have to change your mindset >> but then I also hear this part. So this part it's like okay that's true I identify the problem but your your mindset about your approach to >> so it kind of looks like it it looks like with those things being disproportionate that like you have to technically work harder >> or move somewhere that's not as much to that. >> I think the person b███████ is some fitzo in San Diego looking at a $5 million home that some dude bought. >> Yeah. >> But people who grew up in Kansas, they're still buying a home. >> I Yeah, I see. It's because of this internet culture. It's all that ████ makes them. So they're all b███████ about Yeah. >> All in major cities >> or they want to they won't sacrifice not living on San Diego on the beach. >> Yes. And they're not willing to do what their parents did. So that San Diego home, they're like, "Look at this ████ huge gap." Well, your mom was from Kansas that moved. So now it's your time to move to the next San Diego, but
2:30 you're not willing to do it. >> Yeah. >> Oh, that's interesting. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, the housing was a >> They're saying like a lot of people that wanted the low rent in New York were actually upper middle class people that felt poor cuz they couldn't afford afford the rich ████ and the stuff that they're like used to. So they're complaining that their rent's like 10 grand a month, right? >> Because um it's still expensive for upper middle class people. >> But that's yeah the lifestyle they want. >> But they're not fighting for the actual poor. It's just like rich Gen Z that don't feel as rich as their peers. >> Yeah. They can't be on the 10th floor. They got to be on the 20th floor. >> So, they're poor rich people, >> you know, [snorts] blaming the ████ billionaires. >> I feel like one thing that I kind of can understand is when uh Gen Z people complain that dating is harder >> because because you see that like you're exposed to like every option possible.
3:20 >> Yeah. >> Not like when when we were like younger. It's like everyone in your class was everyone that you could talk to. The one data that like compares those I might ████ up the number but like n 1970s like 40 or 50% of people age 30 were married with a home >> pretty good and now it's like 12 >> age 30 >> married with a home >> I think um >> that number is pretty alarming >> like something's wrong with both of those >> division of male and female is pretty hardcore now like especially cuz I work with a ton of Gen Z >> and we were making this observation of like there are people that are in relation relationships and like still normal, but there's also the contrast to that where they're severely separated where like there's, you know, like the whole rep pill ████ and like super feminism, right? >> Yeah. I was going to say this is the careful boys, right? >> Yeah.
4:10 >> So, we can blame feminism. [snorts and laughter] The thing is I think have you seen that chart where like guys are way more conservative and women are way more so back then it used to be more like >> no like you're a [clears throat] minority you're probably going to be left and if you're white Christian you're probably going to be right but then they were still like in one group together. Now it's more like super separated. And you kind of see it like you kind of see like if guys don't fall into the whole leftist stuff. They have to like they don't get no ████ Yeah. Or like but the girls are heavily that way. But I'm in a blue state so I don't know, you know. But I I I do agree with them saying that dating is harder. Um because the ████ when we had the uh ATI guys on and they're talking about LA dating and how everything's all about
5:00 semi-300 bucks first or like I was like what the ████ I never ran into that. >> That's a crazy phenomenon. I don't know what that No. >> No. Right. Like like girls be like, "Oh, you better be taking Where are we going?" "Oh, I'm not going to go with her." >> No coffee date. I wasn't dating hood ass girls either, though. I think that's more like a that's more like hip-hop culture to me. or like clout chasing. >> Yeah. You know what I mean? Like that's not really like >> that might be city based like the housing, right? If you if you meet like a nice girl in Kansas City, >> you know, she's might not expect a $300 dinner on the first night, but if you're dating some wannabe model in LA and you just say like, "Hey, yeah, you want to go on like a hike?" She'll probably look like you like a ████ psycho. >> That's what I that's what I think where like I think some of the Gen Z problems can also be solved if they had the more like, you know, like I want to be an actor. I moved to Hollywood. Like whatever lifestyle or goal that you're
5:50 trying to get after, you have to infiltrate it. >> So if you want to date Kansas City style, like find like some like country girl or whatever, you can't go where my country girls at in LA. You're ████ You got to move to Kansas or whatever. You know what I mean? [laughter] Or try to be an actor and you ████ live in Kansas. Like where are the movies at? Definitely not there, dude. [laughter] >> I can't get acting jobs. >> Fly me out. Fly me out for an audition. [laughter] >> Yeah, you got to infiltrate. What do you want to do? >> I do think there's Yeah, there's obviously a solution to every problem. Like even in our generation, there were problems that you had to have solutions for. But like I think there's generational specific issues that makes it harder or completely different from our issues. >> What's some other stuff that you've heard like your employees complain about? A big one is the dating one, but
6:40 I think another one is how scary it is for them with all of the uh degrees being irrelevant. Every like AI like there's there's a lot of I think I can really understand why Jay-Z, not Jay-Z. [laughter] >> Love Jay-Z. >> Hova brushes the dirt off his shoulder. >> Why do that so you don't get sued like everybody else? I could understand why they have a defeist mentality. >> Yeah. Yeah. Because like the odds are stacked against them a little bit. >> Even if it was a lie for us, at least for us, we were told you get a degree, you get a good job, fine. We probably were in a sillier situation because we graduated right when the recession hit and there was actually no jobs. Whereas they have jobs, but then they're just giving up because all they see is these
7:30 deaden opportunities, right? So they had our generation, they had Gen X, they had the boomers to look at and say none of those lifestyles turned out well. ████ So why try, right? Whereas at least for us, there was a facade of like, hey, you can make it. You can buy a house. You can do all this stuff. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And then even if it was a lie, we believed in it. >> We thought it was a lie, >> which it made it feel safe. And I think for them, they're like starting life ████ >> They're starting life knowing it's a lie. >> Yeah. And I think that's that's actually even worse. I rather be delusional and then later as an adult as a confident because you're they're technically still kids, right? So like when you're a kid, you don't really control the world. >> What's your fuel if you don't see the big picture? >> Yeah. You won't pivot and find a way. Two two random data points that popped in my head were uh alcohol consumption going way down. And I don't I don't
8:21 think that's Gen Z super specific, but it's like this culture like or like this timeline specific. And obviously Gen Z is now the new adults, so they have to play a role. And then uh Bible sales going up over the last two or three years. Those are two data points that pop in my head that probably have a lot to do with Jenz. >> People are returning to religion. >> Yeah. From the chaos of Cuz I even remember growing up in high school and it was like not cool if you were like religious. Like everyone thought you were stupid and like like dude science. >> Even in Christian school, it wasn't cool. >> No. Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. >> That's true. >> And why I know people like that too cuz Yeah. Like a lot of homies went to Catholic school, then they got out and went to college like, "Dude, that was so dumb. Why Why did I do that with my parents?" And then now they're they're like actually that's them looking for stability cuz like yeah like imagine you're 17 18 19 right and then you don't even know and then like you're just walking into this world and it's like the adults don't even have everything
9:12 under control. No one has anything under at least for us like I was saying like we grew up and it's like it seemed like adults had everything under control and they knew what they were doing. So it gave me the security that like okay well they got it handled. I completely believe that >> the extremes have gone, right? Whether you're talking finance or school debt, right? Like even the all that's uh the gap's grown bigger from even that generation ours. But I wonder if that just has to purely do with the internet, >> right? Cuz more data is out there, right? >> I think it's information overload. >> There's no information. So you just know whether it's real info or not, right? Again, you're seeing everyone in San Diego's million-dollar home, but I live in Michigan or whatever. But you're still Yeah. There's just so the information. So you know, you can't be delusional. >> So it's like ignorance is bliss. Yeah. I feel like the analogy would be like before you don't have all the internet, right? So people go like let's say they go to jiu-jitsu school, they got to get their black belt before they figure out if they like it or not. So they just go through the whole thing. But now you
10:02 have internet and you have like blue belts complaining, purple belts has an injury, brown belts do whatever and they see all of that. And so now they already make up a decision of what's going to happen before before they even try. And I think that's the part that sucks. Like you got to try >> paralysis kind of stuff. >> You have to go through it no matter what it looks like. Well, I do see them like what the cool thing is the ones that do try, >> they have so much access to resources and like they're crushing it, dude. You got like so many 20-year-old multi-millionaires and you're just like, bro, like we had to reinvent the wheel. We didn't really have mentors. Like, we just had to trailblaze and just through stubborn ████ trying, we got through with it. So I I think it's difficult when you're used to doing it the stupid way and then you see someone who has resources and they give up hella early.
10:52 You're like but I I think it's not it's hard to relate because we don't even have the same pathways to compare it to. >> So like we didn't have an option of following a pathway with someone giving a tutorial or you buy someone's class who's an expert in skateboarding and you could be a pro skater like that. >> We didn't have that. We just had to invent skateboarding. that was like, you know, Gen X and Millennial. So, I'm like, >> what are you guys? You guys are millennials, right? You're top millennial. You're top end millennial because I think I'm dead middle millennial and you're probably bottom end millennial. >> Yeah. >> But I I I think that it's hard to compare the two generations because they have a whole different set of problems that we see are advantages, but they were born into it. So, it's like saying like grandpa's never going to understand that they never had internet, so they could operate in a world without phones and internet, right? They could remember
11:42 calendars and do ████ like that. So they look at millennials and go, "You guys are weak cuz we can't memorize dates and calendars." >> Yeah. Or directions. We can't memorize a map. But they have all those compass morse code skills, right? They could tie ropes and ████ But I think >> there's a even though millennial and Gen Z close, we have obsolete things that don't matter in their generation. >> No, our generation's crazy when you think about it. Like I had VHS, >> right? >> And like >> what's crazy about VHS? What? Now you go show a G a Gen Z VHS. [laughter] >> They don't even >> Their brains are going to be blown. >> Remember that VHS? He didn't know what a ████ pager was. >> We had to explain what a pager. >> We went from We went from car phones. My dad had a Mercedes in 1985 with a car phone. >> He was a baller, >> bro. Baller, >> right? The the other data that pops in
12:32 my head, and this might not be as accurate, so don't quote me on it. I'm pretty sure either uh average or median Gen Z makes more money than millennials. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I think I've heard that. >> Yeah, there I You know what though? I have to give it up though. They're more strategic in the way they choose jobs. >> Yeah. >> I feel like millennials were like, >> "Hey man, I just want experience. Just let me in the door. I'll do anything." Right. >> Trying to live or whatever. >> Yeah. But like also we had a more mentality of there's not enough jobs. We need to fight for it. Whereas they live in a generation where it's like, "Oh, I could get a ████ job all day." >> Yeah. >> Now they get to choose who they work for. So people have this idea of like, "Oh, Jenz is ████ lazy." But it's like when there's an abundance of workers, they have It's like buyer market, sellers market, really. Yeah. So
13:22 they can ask for more. So I'm like, "F███." Well, that sucks. But hey, kudos to them. They're playing the game better. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What I meant is like we lived pre- internet. >> Yeah. >> And then we've lived full internet. >> Well, they've only lived internet. And then our parents Yeah. got the butt end, but like >> that's hugely different by AI though. >> Yeah. Yeah. True. We went VHS, DVD to now streaming. Jenzie barely knows. Probably doesn't even know DVD. They probably just know streaming. >> I was pirating the whole time, too. >> Yeah, we know, dude. Napster. They don't know. They don't know the grind. >> They don't know. >> Yeah, they don't know the grind. >> The grind. >> They don't know the passing around a floppy disc to jack off to a picture. >> Yeah, that's true. >> Bring it back. >> Digitalized digi ass picture, too. >> Floppy disc. >> I think my buddy gave me like five highly photos on a floppy disc. made them work, huh? He put those thing to work.
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