0:00 yeah it shouldn't be like enterism it's like tax to tourists you know that's nice that's all it is text the right tourists I mean you know you can pass for Hawaiian I know that's why I'm like don't text me dude just like in Turkey it's like if you if you look at you are yeah [Music] all right we've mentioned this a couple times but I think it's best to focus on this topic solely and um I want to know obviously what you think Joe uh about Hawaii what do you think of the Hawaiians that want to end tourism oh that's a tough one man it is tough because right now okay so this so for people that don't know
0:50 um the way Hawaii became a state is a really weird ugly history messed up yeah because Hawaii was a kingdom a Sovereign Nation that was recognized by a lot of like European nations into the U.S and then um the U.S was doing business with the Kingdom of Hawaii a lot of uh rich like farmers and plantation owners in the west coast they went over there and they started doing sugar cane pineapple and they built the whole industry out there and then so the way that they actually took Hawaii from the royals is um they conspired to basically create like a military coup
1:40 by calling the U.S government over and saying oh we're in trouble something something and then they went in and then they uh basically took the kingdom and made it a U.S territory against the will of the people yeah and so the way that it was done it was like an illegal overthrow it wasn't so if you look at it by today's standards uh you would it wouldn't fit well with the UN and and like their their would be a sanctioned movie it wouldn't it wouldn't and that's why um I think it was Bill Clinton or one of the recent presidents made a formal apology and a statement and they recognized that it was not Kosher the way that it was obtained so that's why there's um sentiment there between the residents of
2:32 um how they feel about should it be a Sovereign Nation or should it still be along a part of the U.S and then so I think for us like on the mainland we don't I mean we just we just think all states are States but they're now there there's that sentiment between the native population and possibly like long-time residents um and I know the the feelings of both like one of my um Bible teachers at my church she's born and raised in Hawaii has ties to like Plantation kids that worked in the fields and all that and for her she was excited that Hawaii became a U.S state whereas certain native sentiments they're like no this is like absolute defeat that we became a U.S state so
3:24 that's the that's the whole feeling right fast forward to today now you have so much conflict between how Hawaii uh what status Hawaii should be right some people believe um we should be a we should go back to a Hawaiian like Sovereign they should secede uh but the native population is less than like six percent so that's another thing too right so like the demographic there isn't big enough to hold majority vote so they'll never actually be able to do it legally yeah interesting and then also there's so many different groups within the Sovereign Hawaii like like within the native cultural groups right there's different uh ideas of how to handle it and I watched uh PBS
4:17 episode where they brought all these different leaders of you know Hawaiian ancestry groups and they couldn't agree on how to move forward some people were like we should be our own country because it was already illegal from the start so don't participate don't vote don't do any of that stuff because that recognizes that we are a part of the US oh because you're participating in the Democratic politics okay they're like it's already wrong to be to to be uh to begin with the other part uh she was saying um no we're already like practical like practically we're here like there's no freaking way that we're gonna go back to becoming our own Nation the U.S military is here everything is here we get so much federal aid and she goes the best route for us is actually to try and
5:09 get indigenous status and then we can get more funding and more help from the government right and then I think another person was talking about how they're like no I think what we need to do is own the land privately so if we could privately own the land as a group then we can control it regardless of what nation is here so I'm like they had a lot of legitimate like philosophies or like methods on how to go forward but I think that's the difficult part is like you don't have one group with one solidarity like one idea and and so I think it's like a difficult Journey for the native Hawaiian um figuring out how to like get their house in order and what mission they want to do so out of those
6:00 three things that you mentioned that they're like these three factions want there's more than three but that's who were invite who is invited to the PBS debate out of all of those do do any of those um the average person that's in Hawaii that is saying stop all tourism does that help any one of those agendas to just stop it I don't they didn't really address that but right now after the fire in Lahaina a lot of people were hurt so they didn't want anyone to come and just like have a fun time it all started because this snorkeling group yeah was they had a chart like a snorkeling trip in the same Waters less than 24 hours ago people drowned and died escaping from the fires and they posted on Instagram saying um oh we were
6:50 just trying to do a fundraiser and we were oh they responded yeah the people that were snorkeling yeah they're like sorry like we just wanted to do that as a way to like give and everyone's like you're ████ foolish oh ████ yeah it was interesting and then so we had like Hawaiian music artists we had Jason Momoa we had all those people announcing like hey guys don't visit Hawaii right now they're hurt like how dare you like have your weddings and celebrate and do all this stuff while they're in pain yeah then a couple of days after local native Hawaiian and also like just just local people that live in on Maui they're like why are you guys saying this like you guys are celebrities and Rich and you can ████ pay for all of this stuff you're not tied to the industry he goes I look I do like sightseeing trips
7:41 that's all we you know and we have 20 employees and none of them can work right now or like I have a small little family-owned hotel or like I have a little restaurant that relies on this and we're like passed on bills yeah and then and then they're like we need we need this tourism to stay here in our community so there's like conflict there too there's no clear sentiment of like what should happen yeah I wanted to ask like so being that that whole fire that had just happened and stuff like that and them not getting any like support whatsoever um do you think that kind of plays a role into why they're being so like hey we don't want to be a part of the States you guys can't even support us you can't even support your own Ukraine which is the benefit of like
8:31 what yeah what's the benefit I think that further proves like why the federal government fails Hawaii like the locals there are they were way quicker to yeah like they said FEMA Red Cross and all that was there but everybody there knows that who made the biggest impact were the locals that were like oh these people haven't ate in like two days but there's like all this government red tape right because they probably have to look at the where is this coming from is it safe can we pass it out whereas the locals there we're like are you gonna block the roads uh all of us are going to get our boats load up all the stuff and then people are going to meet us there pass it out and then they were feeding them some people want jet skis with a bunch of supplies and then I think when people are quicker to do that then they're like we don't need you guys
9:22 because the bureaucracy is slower yeah dude that's I think that's a big thing like so I was looking into this right because I was like yeah why don't they just fight the government harder or like how come it is the way that it is and then so um Hawaii's like the like the lowest five states that do uh voter like participation oh so a lot of people aren't they're like pathetic about politics no I think like so they call it the plantation mentality out there where like the way Hawaii culture like after the native right the way that it Crea that that it I guess evolved or what it is today is it's the plantations that developed the the community there so rich Plantation owner and some of them
10:14 are descendants of missionaries of all these like sugar and pineapple like cnh and dull big ass names right they um brought over a lot of different cultures to work on their Plantation Filipino Japanese Portuguese Mexican and then that's where they created the society where like the current Hawaii culture is like based on a little bit of native a little bit of Asian a little bit of whatever right it's the most mixed state of mixed background ethnicity with Multicultural like most people out there that are local they're like over three four mixes and then they're the they might be the majority actually they're like 30 or something like that so they have their like I think that's why the state identity is so strong in
11:04 my opinion where they don't connect with the mainland in that sense so like whether you're like Japanese or Chinese or whatever everybody identifies as like a Hawaii local first before an American so I think there's that and then there's also the native population who who's like they identify as like Hawaii NATO but yeah I think it's that's why that's there's all these nuanced like groups you know that like it's that's and I think those things are more important than like American or U.S government and then um the the things that they celebrate too like is different like they don't go hard on Thanksgiving they don't go hard like Fourth of July like it wasn't even that that big whereas like on the mainland like the bit in California the
11:56 biggest supporters of Fourth of July is Mexicans you know what I mean like it's I think it's just a different it's a different mentality where they're not fully like hardcore or U.S yeah yeah so do you think when when uh I mean not just Hawaiians but just people are outside looking in telling everyone to stop going to Hawaii stop stop tourism doesn't it seem like something else should happen after that there should be a plan before you just stop tourism like what would be the best case if tourism were to end four Hawaiians that want sovereignty yeah me and my buddies all like that live there we talk about this a lot actually because like so they say that uh they replaced like the plantation with tourism right so the big money makers
12:47 used to be they're all gone they all they all set like um sugar plantations and pineapple to the South America and yeah and just less than I think five years ago uh cnh they produced a lot of the uh sugar cane in in Maui they left which is also why there's a lot of fires because when their fields were not maintained anymore all these tall grassy fields and it's kind of similar to California where it's dry yeah um and then every summer there's like always like brush fires so that's also another way too because they didn't do good Land Management after they left and then to supplement the income now tourism is thriving right or like Land Development and you know whatever so like
13:38 once you have a dependency on a certain amount of income then you have to replace it some other way right and then so we're like how can the state probably be self-sustaining if they want to have less tourism right because you now people it takes the place you're not gonna yeah but what they possibly can do is look at island nations that became successful and I would I look at Singapore yeah or you know I would look at even Israel they're not an island nation but they're like a small group that can make a big impact so like what can the state of Hawaii do and I think Tech is one because you don't need resources for Tech you just need a lot of people
14:28 focusing on yeah and with work from home you know like remote work you could do a lot of coding you could do a lot of things like related to that Finance I think like there's about half a million uh I guess people with native Hawaiian um like ancestry so if you start a fund as a group everybody puts in a grand or something you already got a native fund right there that you can start purchasing things and you know investing so I think like if you can figure out um more methods of making income it will probably supplement but you can't if you have a beautiful place you can't have people not come they're going to want to come yeah that that's a hard part I
15:18 don't think you can like end tourism like your your blessing is your curse in that sense right like no matter what like Hawaii's ████ beautiful it's like Island Paradise magic Vibes all that stuff I got a lot of money coming in for that yeah you know for the same reason why sometimes like people like hate LA and you still come in you're like ████ the weather's great you know what I'm saying like your people are gonna come yeah and we're not like a tourist state but we still have so many people come all the time right so I mean I don't think you could stop it I think managing it or like managing the expectations of everybody or figuring out how to like better preserve the island like sure there's maybe progress that can be made but I don't think they can like end tour that makes sense I feel like that is a good restrictions like how like we're trying to you have to have like a visa to go there or something sure yeah I think that might be a good
16:09 way is like controlling curbing it a little bit Yeah because like so Oahu um which is the island I'm on you'll see a lot of skyscrapers so it feels like you know a city on a little island but if you go to all the other ones you don't really see that many um tall hotels and it's because they have city ordinances where you can't build can't develop that and you have to have a visual to the water or like they have these rules and some people might be like oh that's too controlling but I'm like no that's kind of good because there's such small resources right right yeah or it's also like you know uh raising prices is like a way to like you know curb that as well it's like every single year when more people or when inflation changes what do they do at like Disneyland they like raise the
16:59 prices you know what I mean they raise it just enough to make it so that their capacity always kind of stays the same right it's like a strategic you know every time as much as it in one sense sucks it's like well you're you're limiting certain people's ability to get there so yeah you're managing the population density of that tourism you know and aside for that there's things called like price tied of paradise you know em Tangi the guy that just won uh American Idol so he used to uh live in this area called Kahuku and him and his family had to move out and this is a huge thing where like they call Las Vegas the ninth Island because a lot of local people from Hawaii have to um just they're just they can't afford it yeah it's too it's stupid expensive because it's like you're basically having to pay Silicon Valley prices for homes um but your income is like
17:51 basically all working class service jobs right so then how do you even afford a million dollar home it's more expensive than here in LA and on top of that it's not just the home prices it's everything so like groceries going to Walmart or anything right at least in La like it might be expensive housing but you can find discount food you can find things exactly right so your money can stretch right whereas like Hawaii you're kind of screwed it's just they don't have a lot of things yeah what you get yeah and that's also what um the hotel industry and just people in general are facing like when you don't have a working class who's gonna work those jobs because now all you you have a bunch of retired dentists that are
18:41 taking up your neighborhood they're not working they're not working they have a ton of money to maybe invest so like my classes know where to live exactly and then you have all these empty celebrity homes right so like they drive up the value and it's an island and when you do comps like comparisons for Real Estate the way that it works is you see how much these homes sold in your area but because it's an island and everything is so small you might be next to a 20 million dollar house so that's affecting your your real estate that's why you have a 700 square foot Shack for two million dollars right damn that's that was built in 1930 and it's like got roaches all over yeah that's ridiculous that's so hard I guess the the interesting response to when people are saying and tourism is and
19:32 replace it with what right well I think a lot of people that are angry they don't really have a grasp on the economy cause and effect on you know everything right they're just thinking like ████ these people coming and having a good time when we're hurt yeah stop it right I mean there's just a lot of emotions going on yeah I mean so many people in in any circumstance they focus on the problem but very few present any kind of solution yeah yeah and I and I don't blame them because they don't and it's hard they don't know like are they economists like are they City officials like do they see things from top down like they might just be just working and then one day all their family members just lose ████ and they're like seeing people having fun and then they're like why are you here you know like I get it yeah it's a lot of misdirected anger but
20:23 I think everyone's mad at the wrong things yeah that is interesting when you bring in the the fact that their own local government fails them and there's so much corruption and then they're mad at tourists and then they're mad at tourists yeah it's like like bro we just come here yeah yeah that's it I mean if I was working in that Chrome government I would be like yeah be mad at the tour yeah yeah yeah focus on them yeah no one's really yeah I don't know but it's it's a hard thing to answer because it all kind of does make sense and it all doesn't right like I can get with the people that are like ████ the tour is because I'm like yeah to a degree it is because they don't care about they literally they literally don't care that's why they're here yeah but it's uh and also yeah and also yeah it shouldn't be like in tourism it's like tax the tourists you know that's
21:13 nice that's all it is that's the right tourists not me I'm not me not me though I mean you know you can pass I know that's why I'm like don't text me dude just like in Turkey it's like if you if you look at you are yeah
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