0:00 [Music] i'm glad you're here today because maybe you can shed light on how this is even possible a california woman who is currently serving life in prison cooperated with another prison employee and together they pulled a fraud scheme that scammed two million in unemployment benefits wow i don't know if i should say good for them or should i say i don't plan on the prisons that's kind of cool well what they did was they they used the names of other prisoners and other people everywhere i heard people doing that and just collected tons of unemployment oh interesting it's kind of like how they get the dead people yeah and then they sign them up the guard or the other employee for the prison was taking the records of the files and and giving that to the prisoner and together they were pulling
0:51 that whole thing wow there were some dudes doing that when i was at uh hurlong there was a guy there doing uh uh income tax returns for dunes and basically he was in their ball and him and another guy were getting guys informations and having the people on the street and then follow the final income tax and getting money and then he would get a cut by showing the people families and so they were getting money sent on their books and they were balling they made six figures people filed for their taxes in jail well they but he knew how to do it this dude he was a columbian he was bawling he knew like and he had another white guy who was pretty smart and together they were putting together like these frauds where they were somehow doing returns or something else to get money back and in exchange these people would have to get give them a cut and so they had a little network and they were doing it somehow the prison found out and they got busted but they were in there running the coal racket similar to that so you got some smart dudes in there who
1:41 know you know how to go about like getting money and making sure like that happened so this stuff is pretty common yeah yeah yeah in any way shape or form any way shape or form if a guy knows how to facilitate paperwork you know the fraud game is you know that's one of the easiest game but it's a paper trail so eventually it's going to catch up to you you know i'm still waiting to meet that nigerian prince i sent money to but he is too i don't know never give up like covet you know yeah yeah i'm sure i'm sure pretty uh out of all the crimes you can do from prison fraud is like one of the easier more common ones you can pull off yeah because if you have access or somebody who knows how to do certain things and then you can utilize like say somebody's sitting in there and they get like they apply for an mx you know and they got some on the street to get them thing somehow sign up you know what i mean you can
2:31 work certainly they don't ever see that person yeah so how do they know so if a person's smart enough and they can somehow build profiles up they can create these profiles they got to buy honest and like you said a guard who's facilitating other stuff goes to a po box they get it they blah blah blah charge make moves you can make moves and because people are just sitting dormant so how's it ever going to collect because it never really hits nowhere and if a person keeps up floating they can have a whole racket up in there it's just how much time do you want to put into orchestrating that type of racket knowing that it could possibly collapse yeah you know which it eventually does because somebody's going to tell or they're going to get word of it but yeah there's a lot of guys i would imagine that have done that that haven't got caught if they stopped in time but yeah just get too greedy get too greedy or you you carry on the huffle like that for too long in a paper trail somehow it only takes one mistake and it it leads back to whoever set up that initial
3:23 scheme because these guys i think when they were doing attack they haven't been doing that for some years so he's doing 20 30 years he's like what i got to lose is it pretty common that a lot of like people who are still doing crime in jail like how do they keep getting these like guards to work with them yeah well you gotta look at a guard it's fascinating with the fact that this guy was able to make this kind of money and a guard at the same time you're dealing with a guy who in prison who is very articulate or well versed in and like let's just say economics you know you got a guy maybe who is running maybe a real estate company or had an llc that had knew how to build credit line through dun and brad you know so he knew how to build on that and you tell a guard and the guard's sitting there be like damn i wouldn't mind being a millionaire or how to you know get this of that going and make a little extra money you know buy a nice car make
4:13 an extra 10 20 grand a month and if it's not requiring you hurt nobody they think that hey why not why not go ahead and and do this and if they can trust a person if a guy's a solid dude then they feel like hey that's really it's worth the risk you know it's like with anything else of a person who's never done crime and they get intrigued by somebody who's made a success to a degree through crime even though they're locked up they would want to know like how do you go about doing that how can i do you know how much guards make because like if they're making like 50 grand a year or something and this guy's like yo how would you like to make 10 grand a month yeah they're probably going to be i don't know it varies state to state yeah like some states like guards could be 18 some states uh they're like post certified so they're like actual cops so
5:03 it all depends it's not too much in california for ceos the average is 42 000 a year and so they gotta get overtime and like say if you're a guard in certain prisons like the fed when they outline when they outlawed cigarettes like dude they're bringing in like what are the canopy room costs 16 bucks you know that and print that three hundred dollars so if they sell cigarettes to the prisoners do they get in trouble probably a little bit right but not full it's not dope yeah so how does money transfer in in prison like does p prisoners just have cash you you have people send money to the streets on your books you know i do legal work for people i never have money sent in i'd have them you know and make sure when they send it to this person did it hit okay cool okay i'll oh so it's not like actual no no you don't even have to ever see it it's just a matter of making sure it's just like when guys there's poker there's poker tables in prison prison
5:53 pockets they're making like there's poker tables that are doing probably some of them 50 grand a month the buy is five grand in prison in prison my boy's running a poker table they're buying five grand you got and you got maybe six people playing so each person until they can't get into the poker game until this five grand hits and you can play up to that five grand now when you get below i'll let you know when you're down your last 500 bucks but then if you win i'll also once you get to a certain point i'll do payouts so i'll do a payout do accounting you got dudes like you're watching i'm you know doing this you're keeping track you've got books all this stuff and then a guard let's you know hey this is the black this is the asian table it's a cell phone table and he kind of looks out and you might you know um you know hey man when you add this i'll shoot you something all right you shoot him a couple grand you know what i mean because you're going to run your table
6:43 and it keeps people from violence because you're gambling so you got guys they guess all they do they'll leave the cards and they'll go and and lock down and come back to cars and be right here to finish the game like seriously yeah wow yeah yeah ultimate dealers huh you know you're like these are the ball like you might be colombian dude oh that's like dude from uh you know vietnamese dude this dude right here he's um you know he's he's a dope dealer from the bay that's doing they're all playing doing this like the table might be like 10 grand on table you know what i mean they're playing seriously actual money on the table or they keep or they just keep the books keep the books and they get to keep the books they know but like you you know because everybody's solid and the thing is you don't want to go in a dead think you're going to hide because you go to the hole you go to another prison i'll send word that you over here because gamble's never going to stop gambling yeah he'll go another prison go get another table and it's gonna have you
7:33 know what i mean so it happened and so before you can even get on the table you cannot play until the money hits the streets wow so you can't you know okay now you cause there's a banker or someone or who comes buddy on the streets like oh you call oh yeah um blue blue he's good oh hey okay tell me yeah a little pit you know he's getting big huh oh you know so you know what's up so it's good for that dude you could come play you're good so now you can and then you keep track of what you're winning so you know what you're so they get wire instructions like they're they're like everyone has someone that outside that's their bank yeah you got to have like a you know person that handle your maybe you have your cousin your aunt your girl yeah and you send money yeah handle business you got to make sure like hey man you don't ever want to get in the hole and you know most people tell you like you know you don't want to you don't let somebody get in the hole to begin with so that's why you tell them that before they can play and then you know once you get to that level then you know a lot of people like
8:23 or they'll say hey man i'm i'm good and you go they'll go to like another machine look at my books oh damn you got a hundred thousand on your book your okay yeah you know because i know your your your books say the account thing said that your machine says you have that much money on your books what's uh when people say the books that's the that's their jail bank right yes yes yes that's the jail federal reserve [Laughter] other people can see it when they show up your account they can well if i have you come with me you know there's ways i could like hey look you know i'm saying so you're like oh okay but like typically before anybody gives you any credit you're going to have proof of funds you know you're not going to show up and the thing is you don't want to go in there and think that you're going to scam these dudes because do this they got hitters there you know what i mean it's like you don't want to deal with that you don't want to get gunned down by them no and then if you like depending on the level of table you might have um you might have um
9:14 before you do anything you might have to go to give information in case you know what i mean so you don't want that to happen how do you regulate when you're getting screwed and you don't have a crew you don't have anybody you can't get involved in that you don't even mess with you that's what i'm saying before you even tap into that but i like poker if you if you before you even tap into that world you better already have some type of uh way of dealing with paying somebody and somebody on the street that can facilitate unless you if you have to move funds around so you better you know be sitting on some some hundreds of thousands or millions on the streets where you can make moves and you don't mind losing you know twenty thirty thousand a month is there a table that's like this is like for the peewees these are the this is the practice table oh yeah they got guys like the stamford like you know a hundred dollars couple
10:04 hundred bucks you know there's small tables those tables those dudes get beat up a lot more because they don't go try chicks you know the poor table you know they try and dudes like go to the hole i'ma check in he owes like 300 bucks go to the hole somebody else goes to the hole and they basically follow you to the hole but you know typically the holes like segregate segregation like uh seg unit where you go and you're like locked down and you just come out for showers and stuff you think that you're not gonna work you're not gonna be on main line so you're off a main line but there's people in mainline they could they've got they have ways to send messages you know to get to like oh he's in the hole because he checked in or he owes and blah blah blah blah and then eventually if they transfer to another prison i can send word through another way oh he's got someone for institution and i have i'll say hey man go ahead and check out that debt for me he owes me this you can have that though just send me back whatever off of that so it always
10:54 follows are they trying to hide from debt oh like getting incarcerated away from everybody else yeah people man people have been killed for you know twenty dollar joint in there dude they'll have no right because it's it's principle yeah you know i mean so you don't ever want to ruin the principle that's different on the street like oh man it's only there's only a cigarette or whatever man it's principle in there man and people take that they're more honorable in their home yeah yeah very that's why it's like you're never gonna people aren't gonna bump into you step on your shoes and say excuse it's a different level of respect so people on the street there's no respect because there's no consequence and there you bump into somebody dude it's like literally he'll kill you yeah he might catch you the next day in the morning and then you just mean you're you know eating your little your little cereals and dude come and start just jabbing you because you disrespected him two weeks ago he just he just plotted yeah they plotted he says chivalry's dead not in jail [Music]
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