0:05 Welcome back to Careful Boys. Today we're talking about how Candace Owens is pedalling a lot of theories about what happened to Charlie Kirk. >> Have you guys been seeing this? Cuz you can't get away from it. >> Yeah, it's I've been following it. >> It's a You know what? It's a little bit tiring now. I feel like Candace Owens just says a bunch of like stuff that always feels like, "Hey, everyone pay attention. Look, this is going to happen." And then nothing happens. Bro, is it just me? >> No, it's not just you. It's I'm with you. >> There's a huge um what you call it? Like after she met with Erica Kirk, >> her fans are hella turning on her. >> It's pretty. >> It's about damn time in my opinion. >> I used to honestly be kind of 50/50 about Candace Owens where I was like, I'm glad she's out there cuz like some stuff she says I think is like nuts and trolly. like 50% you don't listen to her
0:56 and then 50% >> would no no no genuinely uh now I just think she's ████ house nuts. >> So what's what's one of the things that like [cough] you felt was was too crazy or too too way off? >> It's really just that she's throwing out so many accusations without any evidence at all. >> It feels like a doomsday preacher >> like tomorrow though God will come and then he didn't come this time but next time. >> Stay tuned. >> Yeah. It's like come on dude. I just am waiting for evidence of of any sort and she's just like Egyptian planes, don't you understand? And >> but she says she has the evidence. >> Well, that's what makes her no better than the freaking hold the binder of the evidence for the photo people. It's like exactly the same. You're saying like she's coming in too hard because if you watch if you watch her content, right, she never actually claims that she has hardcore proof, >> but it's just
1:46 >> No, she explicitly >> No, it's No, if you watch her videos, right, they So, this is the thing is like she's she's basically shining a light on inconsistencies and she always says that. So, this is where it's like, is her take too hot or like cuz she never actually says that this is the smoking gun. >> I don't know that she says it's the smoking gun, but she says like Egyptian planes have been um trailing Erica Kirk for months and that was all just blown apart recently. And she said she's just recently said maybe the planes thing isn't accurate, but I still have a good feeling about it or whatever. So, like it's stuff like that where I just don't get that. >> She was going to have a rebuttal posted soon. So, >> I just don't live in the land of feelings. I'm just like, give me like what you got. >> Give me all you got or or I'm out. >> Well, this is I guess this is my argument is that like people that don't
2:38 like what she's saying isn't actually watching it. So, you you can't dissect like or like poke holes at the argument. It's it's mainly like, "Oh, I don't like it because it's too outlandish." Okay, but tell me exactly what has been disproven. >> Okay. Yeah. So, like saying that people at Turning Point USA had to be in on it is to me outlandish and just an accusation without proof of anything. Like just saying they had to be in on it. >> Like if you actually had proof, what's what's really the case in not just being like like if you got text messages, wouldn't you just be like, "Look at this is the text that I have." >> She did show text. >> She showed she showed text, but she said that they were from a Discord, but they weren't from a Discord. like she >> No, no, she had she had she basically showed a text message. Wait, wait, wait. I don't know if we're talking about the same text. >> Talking about the text between um the
3:28 the Tyler Robinson and like his boyfriend girlfriend thing. >> Oh, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm talking about her having text exchanges with people from TPU uh USA. >> Like the guy that she was trying to get the footage from, like that those texts. No, because basically most of it is she's calling out lies of members from TPUSA and then so she's it sounds like she's alluding to, hey, TPUSA members um backstabbed her and and backstabbed Charlie and colluded together to make to assassinate him. That's what the general public thinks she's saying. But then when you watch the content, it's like clickbait, right? So you watch the content and she's not actually saying that. She's saying that this guy made this claim. Here's what he told me on text. He's lying. >> But I just watched her on uh I don't know. Did you see her with what's his
4:18 name? British Cat. Limey ████ from uh >> Oh, Russell Brand. >> No, no, no. The other one. Pierce Morgan. She was just on with Pierce Morgan. And uh she says in the video, I could show you. She says like I think people from Turning Point USA are implicit with what or complicit with with the assassination of Charlie. And then like 30 second or 3 minutes later, um, Pierce Morgan's like, "You said that they were complicit. People at TPUSA were complicit." And she's like, "I never said that. Actually, I never said that." And it's like, "Dude, ████ I just saw the clip." >> So, like, she to me comes off as like a narcissistic personality. If you've ever had a narcissist girlfriend before, she comes off like that where you're just like, "B████, you're gaslighting me, but you're you just said that." >> So, I just I just I don't know. I again I used to really be 50-50 about Candace where I was like I really like am glad
5:09 that she's able to speak her mind because I think she did a lot of good back in the day uh as far as like all the stuff that she exposed about BLM stuff and them like like basically just ripping people off and buying houses. I was like that this ████ is awesome. >> That's now mainstream news by the way. That's not like it's no longer like one-sided. It's both sides are now >> they bought houses with it and they were ripping people off, right? they weren't really doing anything with the money for for for the movement, right? So, I liked all that and then this particular topic has just completely like evaporated all that like like that I had for her for me. >> It's hard because I used to watch it mainly for entertainment and it was like fun to like find out all stuff, but it's not even entertaining anymore to me. >> So, even that side of it, I feel like I'm not I'm just not enjoying it because it's always like this is the next big thing that's going to happen and then there just nothing happens. I think it
5:59 goes over my head because it's always been entertainment to me. Okay. So, I never took it like seriously and then so it was kind of what I think what went over my head was like I went into this not looking at it as if she's exposing some like like deep nefarious thing that everyone else is like, "Oh, this is the truth." Right? Which is probably why her fans were so hurt by the meeting with Erica and they felt like she was bought off. >> How is that possible? >> What do you mean? >> Well, how can the fans feel that way unless they already have jumped to a conclusion that Candace has helped them get to? You know what I mean? Where they think that Turning Point USA and Erica Kirk >> Oh, I get Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So, it's like how how can you play with the enemy, right? Whereas I'm like, well, what do you expect from I mean, people are going to get together and like we're
6:49 in a time where people are so divisive. It's like this is actually a good thing is meeting with the people that you're having questions about, right? And then you have a conversation. So for me, I'm too sensible. But at the same time, I'm not that deep into it to the point where like it consumes my life cuz some of these people it's ████ insane. Like they're like on both sides. >> But also there's another part of me where like you know recently that guy was on that podcast and he was talking about how like they're all friends. This is a big club. This is a big ass ████ club and we're not a part of it. I actually believe more that which is why it makes it easier for me to just watch this and be like, "Yeah, this is good entertainment." >> Yeah, I get that. >> I like [clears throat] that James guy better than everybody. James, you know, that Asian dude that does the He's >> James Lee. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> I like James Lee the best out of everybody. >> Well, I I already like that how bold he
7:39 is to be critical of Israel. I think that's already hard to be at this day and age. >> And uh a lot he's very like he doesn't even talk about unless he can show it. He's not going to be like, "I feel this." He's like, "This came out." And you can already see it before he starts. You can see what he's going to talk about. >> Yeah. But see, that's what I'm saying. Like where Candace will just go down a rabbit hole and then she's not even completely convinced about it. She'll say like, for example, people in the crowd. They all had maroon shirts on. That just feels weird to me. I feel like they're in on it somehow. And I'm like, "What are you talking about?" >> James is more substantial. like like just today like today he had one that was like so uh Erica Kirk had said that she didn't date during this period of time at all and then he just be like well here's a photo of her with her guy that she used to date and there they are painting together in a post about saying we're the kind of couple that goes and paints together and then here's another
8:29 post that shows her taking some form of engagement photos with some photographer saying that he he loves this couple. So, it's just very plain like she said this. It's actually not true. And then you make what you want out of it. He doesn't even tell you that, oh, that means that Erica Kirk's evil. Not at all. It's just it's very much this thing she said is not the truth. That's all. I like that ████ >> I also didn't think that Candace saying that like a lot of Erica Kirk's answers were like pageant queen stuff was out of bounds because to me, Erica Kirk going on a press tour is fair ball. Like as far as like you can question people who are being interviewed by press. I think that's totally legitimate and you have a right to do that. But like it's the step beyond that. The implying all that stuff that I don't like at all. >> I think
9:19 it's it can be taken me uh multiple ways because she doesn't actually imply that Erica colluded with the team to kill Charlie. You know what I mean? Those are those are other theories that were I think [clears throat] confusing that confusing with >> Well, I saw Ben Shapiro bring that up right to Megan Kelly. He said that didn't you know that he said matter of factly, didn't you know that Candace Owens is accusing Erica Kirk of being involved in the assassination plot on Charlie? And Megan's like, I did not know that. And she had her team run it down and the next day she was asked about it again and she had to correct Ben Shapiro, >> right? Cuz she didn't say that. So, this is what I'm saying is that I think Candace is being attached to things that other people are coming up with saying Erica actually plotted with the pastor to kill Charlie and then they're saying that Candace said that like what Ben
10:11 Shapiro did, but Candace didn't say that. So, I think people that aren't actually watching it, all of those theories get attached onto Candace because it sounds like, >> but it's not that crazy to think that she's talking that way because she's talking so crazy about everyone at Turning Point USA, for example, like saying that they had to be in on it or like >> Well, here's here's one because she called out that uh that preacher that that was supposed to be a Turning Point USA >> and he didn't work there. >> Yeah, but that's but she she corrected that, right? But that's what she was saying is that people like that were involved in TP USA. He was actually a child molester and then ████ like >> allegedly. Allegedly. >> Well, it I think he was I thought he got >> I'm just looking out for JK right now. I don't [laughter] >> Anyways, so the the the son of that pastor was supposed to take over TPUSA
11:01 allegedly, right? And so she was saying how all that ████ was um basically connected. Then Erica corrected her and said he doesn't work >> at TPUSA. But then what ended up happening was he was going out saying that he's TPUSA. >> Yes, he did. >> He kept saying that. >> So then Candace wasn't actually lying to that fact. >> Yeah. >> She was like, how what am I supposed to do? Like that guy thought that guy said that uh he worked there. >> Yeah. I still think though, like what Ryan's saying is like if you're going to throw all these bombs, you better show me who the bomb maker is or any proof that the bombs are being made or any like where the were the materials bought. Like for me, she's just guessing all day long on her channel and throwing bombs everywhere and then going I'm just asking questions though >> cuz it's hot stories. >> Yeah. No, I mean I at the end of the day
11:52 it's entertain and it's a gossip column, right? Because that's she's using the whatever for Yeah. Yeah. But out of all people, right, [clears throat] I wouldn't think that you would not watch that because it to me it's like as juicy as JFK today. >> Yeah. I guess I guess for me it's just not that juicy because they have Tyler Robinson's DNA on the stupid rifle, right? Like >> you think it's an open and shut case? Like he he did it. >> I don't know enough to know yet, but I know that that's going to happen in court and that we'll probably hear about it from that. But like I am open to any of this um pos of the possibilities, but anytime I get into a conspiracy, it's usually predicated on some some juicy piece of meat that I'm like that could that could be really good or that sounds true to me or like that there's proof of that maybe. But this is like the moonlanding to me. I just think that it
12:42 happened the way it happened. Like I never got into the moon landing conspiracy either because to me you can you can fire lasers at the moon right now and there's prisms that they put on the moon with mirrors in them and it fires it right back at exactly the sites that they landed on. >> See for you it's like flat earth. It's too boring. >> It's too it's just too out there for me >> thinking that like a cabal of people coordinated to kill Charlie Kirk while I look at the internet the day that he died and everyone is rooting for it that in my whole timeline. People that I've been friends with for like 15 years are openly rooting for it as if they wish they pulled the trigger themselves. Ultimate shocker of my life. So seeing all that intent out there and knowing that those people were so down for it, why wouldn't this kid Tyler Robinson be down for it and they have his prince and they have him on the rifle, that's all I'm saying. It it was the most disappointing day in humanity for a long
13:33 time for me just seeing that cuz me and you sat in this room and I was like, "It's not everybody, guys. There's not everybody rooting for this s███." And that I was dead wrong cuz I watched for weeks people rooting for it >> which which doesn't combat the idea that like multiple people within an organization can't be in. I'm not saying that that either. I'm just saying if anything that might support the idea that like enough people would be down for it. But yeah, it doesn't necessarily make it a conspiracy. It doesn't necessarily make it a >> I just think there are enough people who were individually down. Why wouldn't one person decide to do that? It's totally plausible. But it also doesn't mean that multiple people didn't know that he was going to do it. And all that should be run down. >> Right. >> Right. All that should be run down because there were people on Twitter posting about how they we talked about this. >> That doesn't mean it wasn't allowed in some funny way.
14:23 >> Exactly. >> Yeah. I think for me it's more like the entertainment of it all and then seeing the split between team Tucker and Candace versus, you know, everybody else. And then I'm just like the unfolding of the Game of Thrones is so ████ interesting to me. >> It's not even about if she's being factually correct or not anymore. You know what I mean? So it's it's like it's hard to I guess it's like >> the craft around it is what's more interesting to me than the actual like what's the truth? >> Did you see the thing with how James pointed out that so during the period she said she wasn't dating anyone. Erica Kirk actually had a this guy she was dating and then um it turned out that guy she was dating was a producer of Charlie Kirks. >> What? That's juicy.
15:13 >> That part's fact. Like he point he showed it and was like, "Oh, he used to be a staffer." >> Isn't she like close with Benjamin Netanyahu's son, too? >> But for those people that believe that she's the honeypot, that could be the dot for the line. >> So, she was the handler in that way. >> Did they like meet in Israel or something like that somewhere? Uh >> yeah, New York. It's everything I think was New York. >> Wait, you mean Charlie? >> Charlie and Erica. There's a lot of weird ████ out there. >> See, that rabbit hole is so Oh, man. I just >> But I also think too at the same time like I see so many people judging Eric Kirk in interviews. Oh, crocodile tears or how can you do that? That's crazy to me, dude. Cuz like >> you can't be like that's not how you grieve. >> Exactly. There is that one there is that one female comedian though that's going off on her that's >> it does make it a little funny. It's
16:03 ████ up. It's ████ up. >> I think that s███'s a bridge too far because >> pe people react to grief in such different ways. >> Yeah, but the dude it just looks so manufactured without even biased without even anyone telling me anything. Just watching her interviews it's kind of weird. >> But then you can't watch that and then say the Sandy Hook dad was legit >> cuz that's way worse than her. the dad that's laugh the dad that's laughing and then they start cameras and he's like >> my son like come on that's not you can't >> well I think >> can't think both are legit >> I exactly no exactly >> but that's what I'm saying cuz cuz you know and in my own way like all I know is my own life and my own perspective stuff but like the day that my grandpa died I don't think I laughed more like because I was trying to get out of it >> so like that's just what you do I think sometimes >> that's a great point of evidence after
16:53 you found out she was faking it. I think that's great to point that out. But before, you know, I think that's it's kind of a low blow, >> right? >> Yeah, >> cuz that I always felt bad for that Sandy Hook dad when they did all that to him cuz like for all you know, somebody just said like, "Hey, do my butthole ████ itches, brother?" And you don't even know. He's just like, "Oh, what the [laughter] ████ That's crazy." HE'S LIKE, "YEAH, SO I got to talk to the media right now, so I'm going to be honest about what happened." Like, >> well, wasn't Alex Jones like the main Wasn't Alex Jones the main dude that went off and said that they're all crisis actors? Yeah, he >> he entertained the idea on his show. Yeah, >> he was the hub for those ideas. I don't think he was the main guy, but he was the hub for all those ideas. >> Probably what Candace Owens is right now, right? >> I think Candace is literally Alex Jones 2.0. >> Yeah, >> like she's Yeah, >> I think that Alex does a better job in a hilarious way somehow of actually giving you evidence for stuff. He's like, "Chapter 14, Joe. Um, pull it up, Jamie.
17:45 So, you're going to go to the ████ page 135 on this document." Like, whereas Candace Owens is like, "I have the proof. Uh, I just have a source on this >> and I will tell you >> and it's LIKE WHEN, ████ >> WHEN. >> AND THEN I'M THE SUCKER THAT GOES, I CAN'T WAIT. TELL ME TOMORROW. >> IT'S LIKE TO BE CONTINUED. >> That's what makes me [laughter] feel like the horse chasing the carrot. I just I don't want to like get caught in it, you know? Yeah.
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