0:00 foreign [Music] welcome back to careful boys everybody we got a special episode because we have a very cool story that uh was actually sent in and then I did some digging and saw how massive it really was but I didn't think it was getting enough coverage so this incredible story about something that happened in the sneakers Community I was like we got to get somebody who really knows their ████ about it so today we got Norman lie in the house hey experience on what the ████ happened in this sneaker industry man uh so basically there's this guy named Sade Zade kicks um he's kind of like an OG in the sneaker Community he resold on it is he more OG than Fran Elations yeah Fran Elations I don't know that is that's oh
0:50 gee dog relations is trash he just made that up he's not OG it's not like a book of the Bible that we skipped over is he oh is he more OG than Reebok Pumps though uh no he was probably like 10 10 to 13 years ago how do you started reselling so he's like mini OG mini LG in the reselling World he's pretty LG and people give this guy millions of dollars to get shoes for them right yeah how does it work he that's the mystery yeah that's he he resold on eBay before and I guess he got his connects to there um and then I'm I don't know if he got connected to Nike or something but he gets shoes for under retail or like shoes for a really good deal if it's like a hype shoe wow and so it could not even exist yet they could just be like announced and he's already taken pre-orders and people are just throwing
1:40 money at him like yo when that comes out I want it sent to my door and then they'll just give them all this money and they still don't know how he does it and track record wise he's delivered on that like let's say something like a really hype shoe in 2015 or something people put in a pre-order for a shoe that didn't exist he delivered on those shoes or it's just the accumulation of fraud so he'll do it through like off rumors that people make up like random Instagram pages will make up a rumor and he'll be like hey this might be it or like SKU the skus like the shoe number I guess if that comes out um he'll do a pre-order on those and he does deliver but it comes usually comes within two to six months after the release so Nike would have really already released it and then two to six months he'll get them all and then you just send him out and he was doing that for a good while until covet happened and then that's when ████ started to
2:31 really look fishy but wait were people getting shoes yeah yeah oh they were getting shoes you'd get them eventually you get them eventually but then once covered stuck then things started taking a little longer can I can I tell you what this conspiracy is what is it I think I'm a detective so I know how to figure out are you sure enough information yet I got plenty dude you could actually leave now Crack the Case right now we'll take it from here thank you it's an easy solve he has a Vietnamese sweat shop in his basement so every time there's a new shoe release he gets the dimensions the pictures and all that stuff and he goes all right here you go train hook it up Tango Atlanta oh my God ████ ████ and he's 12. dude he's 12. he's 12. yeah that's good good things about like you know 12 year old hands is
3:21 they're really small so the little holes you need to make for the ████ like shoelaces perfect right that's what it's perfect for those hands they're really like surgical with that ████ so they make the new Jordans or whatever that came out and it's like boom I got you man and then they can't even tell a difference because they're professional how about that is that good what do you think Norman huh how about that I think the US is giving out too much money because he's having trouble finding people to work for him so those those little Vietnamese what a nice problem how about that huh how about that all right all right continue the story I failed so yeah um so he does he was fulfilling a lot of orders and they're all legit orders like they'll go through like stockx and I go into all those big big reselling or I guess those stuff so get the box you get the barcode certifiably it is a legit shoe every time all right I'm a detective I got this all right you got this you got this come on you only get one try each you
4:12 guys by the way go ahead normally I failed already enough information I already failed but yeah so deliver all those things like we'd get them like they'd come to my apartment and like this giant box you were in the Cahoots with this criminal I'm buying from him okay okay so you're the customer what's the largest order you've done just through him like money-wise how much was it I had to run 80k in oh my God yeah because it just I just had just started my selling I guess like in late or early 2019. do your parents shoes yeah wait but it must have been like you started with like 5K or something it just kept going and building it up right yeah you didn't just go like 80k baby I actually had a close friend of mine that detective right he knew that he's the he's the main guy that gets all the
5:02 orders from everybody so that's how I got into it um but I was just buying off like everybody else on the Nike app sneakers app and you've ordered from this dude before yeah and I got everything so so that was like where you felt like okay and ordering 80k worth of shoes could be turned into how much profit uh it depends on what the releases were I had one order it had about 30 Pairs and that could have met me 30k in profit so you make 80k to make 30k well I would have put it I put in six thousand or six to ten thousand so like a 5x Roi type you need a business partner you would have made like 300 000 no I would have made 30k just from that one order but there's a bunch of different shoes so and it's it's kind of like a gamble because you don't know how the Market's gonna go up down right a shoe market but at the time it's just it was
5:52 just going up so once pandemic hit what started to happen with this guy yeah he uh he started taking more orders for better pricing that was the first thing that I thought was weird yeah that was the first red flag for me so I put a little less I stopped going all the time and then a lot of the hype shoes he would never get he would always have the general release shoes which the gr shoes what they're called um which is shoes that go into like foot sites like uh Foot Locker like Finish Line and all those other sites so it's not like a special edition or limited release time no but there's still profit for each shoe like Jordan once was really popular last year or yeah last year and the dunks as well and each one can net you a hundred dollars profit each wow so if you were able to get however many even if they're just like a regular color or nothing special you can still net a hundred like 50 to 100 each yeah damn
6:42 yeah so it was um so he started taking more money for orders yes well when covet happened I stopped doing it because I wasn't sure how everything was going to be like smart guy and then so I only put like 10K more it was stuck never mind just 10K yeah that's good it's still a lot but yeah okay I wasn't that scared yeah so you had a standing order with this guy right yeah um so a lot of the shoes weren't coming and it's already been over a year and a half so whoa yeah how do you answer to the customers or do they are they already assigned to people like people already put in a order already this is just your own shipment they don't really have like a recipient everyone has their own order it's kind of like just ordering online like regular things um and is it true that people who are hassling him about their order he would
7:32 threaten to just block about life yep instantly so you never is it normal to like wait a while for the orders yeah usually so it's normal so you're just like ah it takes like three months it's not like Amazon two to six months two to six months what a year but yeah so after the six months I was like okay this is taking a little long so then it was like yeah a year and a year and a half and then yeah it's it just got worse and worse than else did you call customer service yeah yeah they don't really work that way damn I had well the guy that I know he he deals directly with him and he has like Millions with this guy so um and he's taking because he's taking orders from a lot of other people so he's making money off the other people and there's no there's also no regulation for this type of business so there's no one to answer to like if he starts doing some shady ████ you have no one you can call me well I mean there's no receipt yeah and this is called like that resellers Mark is this considered a reseller's mark yeah yes uh they call it
8:23 back door back door pre-ordering it's a funny name yeah very cool not because you can't you're not supposed to bachelor's stuff yeah you guys I remember there was a dude I don't know if it was like bait or like another another uh brand or something like that that was back door and stuff um and then they lost their kids kids yeah they lost they lost their like account you know with the yeah because that is an illegal thing A lot of people do it so yeah so then one specific thing happened that sent the internet and the whole sneaker Community into a frenzy what was that thing uh so he dissolved his company oh and the incident that happened like everyone like there was a tour space instantly for it and like there's I think like three or four people in it just so that's like a like a sneaker rug pull then pretty much yeah like a little Ponzi scheme but how long has he been doing it for he's been doing
9:14 this uh uh over 10 10 years so I mean it was a legitimate business and something happened and he couldn't fulfill was it like a supply chain issue things that was gonna affect everything anyway that was going to go down so he just did one last big job that he knew was gonna run yeah what's going on I have no idea I think it's because of Kobe that everything kind of went downhill because the shipments don't come in even Nike releases um they push back a lot of things every time they'll say this will come out this date they push it back another month but he had already promised sales so he probably just got himself really really deep yeah but then at that point it was like we're not gonna be able to deliver so we might as well just like sell as much as possible right now and balance yeah that that's all that could be also a thing too we don't know um everyone's still trying to figure that out so where is this guy he lives up in Oregon um and I think he's still next to Nike yes what if it's Phil himself
10:07 is he an old man I heard he's bored these days he doesn't look that old maybe like 40s but no no it doesn't look bad I mean just straight to Phil Knight I would have gotten away with it you JK idiots yeah so he he's I think he's still around because there's as soon as that happened like that same day I think he called the cops to ask for police protection yeah the weird things people were going to his house oh so people know who he is specifically well he's very present online like he flexes a lot of ████ he's got cars he's got all this stuff like he's not an invisible dude yeah he's one of the so I think there's like three or four big pre-order kind of guys yeah uh I think he's one of them but he shows off a lot like the other guys don't really show off and he shows off a lot but he deleted everything like all of his pictures everything maybe that's why
10:57 he kept needing the money because he has payments on all those things yeah he has his own businesses too he has like a weed company sounded very like a certain parent yeah very sympathetic I appreciate it the weird thing that I thought was like I still can't wrap my head around how this happened he was able to dissolve his company through the uh approval of a judge right yeah courts so like the judge allowed him to do that normally you can't but did you look if you look at the judge he's wearing the outfit right and go down to his feet Travis Scott ████ I see I see okay we got the AstroWorld everyone in there ████ the police officers there everyone's just laced up everybody else's orders went to the judge everyone in the jury yeah the flyest shoes in there just ████ off-white in Nike Oregon even their ████ thing it says
11:47 jury on their shoe so they just stayed still don't know I know that was one of the off-white juries hey that's kind of that that sounds kind of dope dude damn they did it all for the Kicks When the article that I was reading they were still trying to figure out how the hell he got that from a job yeah so a lot of people are still trying to figure out how he's well aside from that how he got his shoes too because stock stockx I think released something saying that um or either that or they're backtrack there they had like a portfolio thing where they can see who bought the most and the person at the very top that bought the most was his wife yeah so there might be taking everyone's money and trying to fulfill other orders by buying on stockx so they're just doing something that anyone could have done themselves anyways wow so that's just like passing money back and forth that kind of yeah and he's the middleman into
12:38 other businesses and stuff like that too so what you're saying is there's technically nothing wrong I guess technically I guess how much money are you personally out like are you right now so last year at the end of last year he actually refunded us and I got back 30k so I think I'm still at like 30 to 35k wow wait so if you refund does that mean like maybe he didn't try to ████ everybody like it maybe something really should happen but he's actually still kind of trying to fix certain things even though like disappearing seems weird yeah that's what I think too because if you get a point in a receiver receivers usually have to go and try to refund all of the everybody else that he borrowed money from so he borrowed money not just from people like us and people like me like Banks and certain other investors and stuff like that too so they have to refund all of them but people like us we're just going to our
13:28 credit cards and like PayPal or whatever and trying to get our money back holy moly clusterfucker wow I wonder how much he took uh I think it was over 100 million oh sweatshops that's at least as of last week when I was reading and watching more videos that sounds like film night for sure wow Phil nightclub to no good dude only someone like Kim could pull some ████ like this off Phil Knight's pretty big yeah but you don't feel night though I kind of have a feeling that he might be able to pay off that 100 million like really easy yeah like really really easy he's still the prime suspect yeah what do you think Anthony you already know it's a different guy it's not man I'm not sold it's just his partner instead there's
14:18 the I think the VP of Nike or one of something of the VP her son was doing the reselling too and he yeah yeah I heard about that yeah we did we did do an article on that yeah he was an idiot because he took photos with like stacks of boxes like a ████ but he blurred his eyes out so it's fine he put eyes I think everyone knows what he looks like already though because his face he goes to like events and stuff like that oh right are you still in the shoe game or are you kind of like Madison kind of burnt me out a little bit uh I still am I buy just locally from here he's like I'm never wearing these again only so what's the next hustle I'm still doing shoes because right now inside this look kind of like stocks everything that is low so I'm just buying stuff that I know will eventually go back yeah that's good that it didn't totally wipe
15:09 you out man no because there's probably people that it did yeah do you know people that are just ████ demolished yeah because they have like 700k 1 million in it 100 million a lot of money yeah our little group we have around 1.2 wow so it's I got you beat I lost more in Luna baby okay I heard I felt so bad for you guys don't feel bad he wears it like a trophy he likes it he likes that I do I use my struggles as ████ honors uh Badges of Honor I gotta use it to make more money you can feel bad for me I don't talk about it because it actually hurts yeah he he got he got away with nothing I said don't talk about it so I actually hit up Michael you guys you guys Michael asked me when you guys had JK party to do I own a bowling alley
16:01 in Alhambra that bowling alley Alhambra you own them you owned Alhambra Lanes yeah yeah it's called Golden Mile bowling wait wait is it the one by 168 market across the street yeah that's yours if you lost 30k you have a bowling alley bro what the ████ how did you how did you come across that nobody cares about the sneakers talk about the bowling alley bro my dad owns the building and then there's a lot of legal things and we ended up taking over like nine nine ten years ago and oh ████ damn and I just have my office in there with some of my shoes so can we come bowl yeah we're losing this office can we move over to the bowling alley I try to help Michael to do a JK party Michael you ████ up bro damn you told me you hit me up and then later on no ████ you Michael we're gonna we're gonna jump on
16:51 them I didn't mean to do this yeah I was trying to get you guys do like 100 pins man that would have been a good JK party episode oh my God what else do you own dude yeah you own laser tag no that's the only entertainment I got yeah what about Disneyland huh yeah yo that's for Steve how was the bowling alley business during covid did you guys is it a front is it a front I mean yeah put my shoes no uh the bowling alley business kind of sucks right now I mean it's slowly dying anyways but just the industry in general yeah how about we revive it for you we can revive it no we can't we will how do
17:41 we we will what does it need people to have fun doing it more money it needs it needs a new I went to the bowling alley during uh covid and then once you do it during covid you have a completely different new lens so remember like before covid because you're touching all the same balls exactly before it's like chicken wings chili cheese fries frostball so everyone you're just ████ his business right now you said we'll help and then you're like oh wait this wait there's germs there's germs and ████ but
18:31 then me I'm Chinese I don't give a ████ right so I'm still playing and ████ but then it just did give me a a quick little since day one I was like you know what's more dangerous a gym where everyone's touching stuff and the owner of the gym is Chinese and doesn't give a ████ uh ████ dude I guess I'm trying you said don't give a ████ yeah very cool dude that's what I'm talking about we bring the call better we don't care everybody's Chinese everybody's Chinese no I'm Chinese Colleen Chinese that's high 31.2 actually oh ████ really you're 31.2 she's more Chinese than I am that's amazing you just look so white yeah but not the third one you're saying that with condolences in your voice
19:21 no actually my friend she's 50 Chinese and you both have a similar cheek it's a Chinese cheek oh yeah my friend is trying to you have a nose too and two eyes that's your wrestler news it says a Chinese cheek the Chinese cheeks Colleen the Chinese cheese this sounds like a stripper name not the butt cheeks though these ones and we really are gonna go to the bowling alley though dude let's go we're gonna come that's gonna be so fun we've been all hanging after the show so we're gonna go and I'm gonna stick chili cheese fries in the holes and eat them out of them we don't really have food so you can bring your own food and also before you guys end up closing down this dying dinosaur of a business can you hit up Joe to see if he's willing to make a stupid move and just buy it and then we can hang out more I'm down all right dude we really that's a good building though one of my favorite restaurants is
20:12 there 101 noodle hell yeah how'd you know everybody knows that's everyone's favorite is that the only restaurant in that building I know there's multiple restaurants but that's like the popular one yeah 101. dude we hope that you get your money back from uh the day kicks and uh talk about your uh your actual sneaker business oh yeah I just made a logo that looked like the Snickers candy and it's just this is where I resell oh yeah so you can just walk in there and just buy a bunch of limiteds like what's up what's the website that people can go to no I just do it like on off-road oh it's all online yeah okay so there's no like brick and Morty place to watch no I've tried to I wanted to get like you know sponsored by them but that's a sick ass uh collection so how do people buy shoes off you they got to go to offer up and look up Norman they working in Highland Park there's no hamburgers
21:02 yeah I sell off Instagram mainly what's your Instagram what's your insta oh sneakers barred at Sneakers Bar snkrs Sneakers Bar this and bar s-n-k-r-s do they go to the bowling alley to buy shoes from you uh either I ship to them or they come to me at the ball meet at the bowling why don't you start a shoe store at the bowling alley because they need bowling shoes for the bowl if if you bowl a turkey a Jordan comes out of the ████ thing I'm in I thought about doing a custom bowling shoe for like on a new Jordan too dude these are cool egg cool stuff man yeah but where's the bowling stuff got deleted why nudity no because it was technically underage because I totally forgot about it and then uh they it was under 13 years old and you're not
21:53 allowed to have an Instagram page what do you mean you have a ████ kid that runs the bowling game huh what no no so I did the years of how long we've been open and I didn't think about the age thing right but then they didn't catch it until like eight years later so I was like well that's true so I thought it was a minor yeah yeah well they're protecting your bowling alley from pedophiles so that's a good thing there's a lot on Instagram there's a bunch ooh that bowling what do you like how's the bowling alley though but dude thank you for stopping by man I appreciate it make sure to tell the story We Wish your community the best to get your money back get your money back or your shoes yeah go to his bowling alley Dave the bowling alleys save the bowling alley and we're doing dance competition we're gonna do a dance competition and save the bowling alley yes dude the Kinja and uh Quest merger is gonna happen there hashtag underage bowling yo
22:45 we should do a JK news episode with dudes bowling around us and we're just yelling because we just hear ████ pins breaking in the back all right um
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