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Off The Record: Talking About Guns

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0:00 and then they were like yo do you want a machine gun bigger gun o and I was like yeah and then I realized I was like oh my God this is this is this is a lot of fun but at the same time I was like holy sh this is too easy like this is way too [Music] easy the question we have to face right now is what the heck I'm getting ready to win that's a really nice uh Bushido face um in what way if any do America's gun laws need to change gun laws gun gun laws oh dude ████ ton how B's like they don't we got to get away with all of the rules all of the laws in which direction and what way

0:52 man it's such a complex topic because I think it's circumstantial because High population density areas have different needs and like different rules for low population density areas for this particular thing if we're talking about self-defense and protection and all that too or like high crime rate areas versus like low CRI I don't know you know I think I would have unpopular I have a unpopular that's what I'm saying yeah what's your unpopular opinion might as well start with that yeah cuz I think and this goes with Not Just Guns but a lot of type of gadgets okay the lower the IQ the less privileges so what you're saying is there should be an aptitude test of sorts to to try people's gun skills before they purchase one so's let's say for examp sense let's

1:42 say for example you're like um you're ████ okay and in America we have the Second Amendment and also we believe everyone should be able to drive whatever but if you're ████ your car only goes up to 10 mph can't kill too much maybe run into a build and maybe the gun you buy comes with one bullet you know you can protect yourself and then if you use that bullet sh shooter you're a sniper it comes with one bullet 150 Cal when you run out you got to wait till next year you get till you get your next bullet ████ allotment you know I think in your ca in your well okay so your two examples for the driver's license and both for purchasing cuz I see a lot of parallels in those two but like no no no what I'm saying is already tests to screen out

2:32 the doto birds the tests aren't that good for the driver's license but maybe you need a maybe you need to up it by a little bit I bet the driving test is harder than the gun test the Supreme Court apparently is arguing about uh bump stocks I don't know anything about guns all I know is it's like they don't want they don't want anyone to have bump stocks cuz it could turn it into an automatic machine gun yeah and here's what I'm like this is what I don't get if you're holding a gun and I can unload hundreds of bullets in a second isn't that a machine gun yeah I don't even know what a bump stock is either that's what they're say these are the terms I use I'm just repeating I don't know it just looks like an add-on like you know golden I CH like they use terms like assault rifle and AR doesn't even stand for that so oh yeah they think it means assault rifle like 14 or whatever so for so with that example like if if the

3:23 lowest standard to get a driver's license is you can drive 10 m hour right because you're just not very smart then the same thing like if it takes a bunch of licenses to drive a F1 race car yeah that's kind of how I view it okay well there there technically is though right you have to take tests to well in California you have to take tests to buy a handgun right in order to have like a silencer or whatever you need a FFL license you need higher clearances in order to get it but how many but are you saying it needs to be harder I'm saying this ta doesn't have enough belts that's what I'm saying it's white belt black belt the specialization but then white belt also gets to play with nunchucks and Spears and hurt themselves with it yeah yeah so what I'm saying is like white belt you get you get the you get the dummy yellow belt

4:14 you get this you know and then like so you know I think it works if The Regulators aren't dummies so the thing is problem the problem is you got a you got a population who's dummies right but if you have the enforcers of the rule that are also dummies then they're not going to enforce it correctly so there's a lot of videos back in the day of when they added seat belts and like everyone from the older generation being like this is ████ stupid like BL yeah this is crazy and apparently what they did was they started teaching the kids in school like you got to wear your seat belt this is what happens when you don't they show the test dummy going 50 m hour and just hitting a wall and the dummy's Brain just exploding everywhere so the kids were like oh ████ we're wearing our seat belt but I don't know dude there's a school shooting ████ every ████ month there's also a video of uh when

5:05 they first passed that you can't drink and drive oh yeah yeah people are going crazy telling me I can't drink a beer after work I thought this I thought this was America same person is complaining about it's that same exact person wait but I thought that video was in the UK and they're like British or something oh maybe that one was yeah that was I think that one was Bri the one that I'm thinking it was yeah but so like let's say that obviously whenever there's like a school shooting which we have lots of and then right after there's like a huge U it like reignites the the war of like more gun control no it's fine like I think you guys have guns right yeah have you ever had to use your gun in a self-defense situation uh in in a private like not one time and I was actually scared and you're trained

5:56 because of the state I was in oh okay so I was like is this going to have to be one of those times where I protect myself and I'm like I don't want to go to jail either ████ he's like I got to I was like wait before he shoots me I'm going to just shoot myself but I do live in Los Angeles shoot me really quick no come on let me get graze me gra like I have it but I can't use it see that also is like The Catch 22 to that point it's like if you're going to allow someone to buy the gun for self-defense and then someone is crossing that threshold where then the user has to use it for self-defense well in California the laws have a lot of like ████ booby traps in them so it's kind of it's kind of scary yeah St dependent yeah honestly the safest way in California is like you better not ████ shoot me for

6:47 real like that would work more they're like H man I don't know what to do dude there's a recent um did you have to shoot a like did you it was just like oh who's there huh like what happened oh was it serious no no uh there was a recent incident in California and I think it was Hollywood but the guy was coming home and it was like bringing food and when he opened up his door two guys hopped the fence came in and as soon as they did he turned around shot him right okay and then they scattered but now he's going to be facing criminal charges for discharging a firearm and he has a CCW yeah and so he has got all the licenses everything they ended up taking that CCW away from him and then and then now he's facing criminal charges because because the culture here is just so different from like Texas and Nevada right so I think it depends on the

7:38 governing State and their philosophy behind what is self-defense got it so like in Texas they have the castle doctrine so if you're in the H uh or car or whatever someone's trying to break into it while you're in there you're allowed to shoot out in California can't do that when you're outside of your private property but now even private property is being contested that's so crazy dude and there is no absolutely ████ insane so it's not quite common sense as people think it is because it's also dependent on that community and what they feel is justifiable like I think in California or like major cities they would say it's not worth a life and if someone's turning their back then let them run away but I think that those rules are created by people that aren't in dangerous situations cuz how can you guarantee that this person who broke

8:29 into your home isn't there just to kill for fun like how can you guarantee that they're there cuz they're trying to steal diamonds and run away like you don't know and they're not going to do anything to me or my family right so how can you guarantee that that's a nonviolent person you can't you don't that but in California I think it's more like well if they're just here to like steal property then it's okay it's not worth their life which is so crazy oh you're just here to take my booty hole no problem okay why' you say so pal and I think that's where it gets circumstantial and all tricky and and there's also like we live in a population with like 300 million people we can't all we're not going to ever agree on one thing so it's state specific and I think like um also being married to like a British right like the way they think about guns and the way the Europeans and everybody she told me that she didn't quite get it until she moved here she says out there we just

9:21 look ████ nuts and on top of that their media they gets the they get the worst ████ about the US so we're just like fat Walmart creatures that are shooting each other they're punching down on us fat all of our creatures it's w-e meets Call of Duty yeah yeah but then when she's like oh I really understood it now that I'm here like practically it's more like it exists anyway so you might as well learn it and figure it out cuz she goes well if you want to remove it right like if you want to have the European mentality of well we should just ban it all together well she goes how do you even go by that process and no one can even address that cuz she was looking at the stats or and uh the the the amount of guns in this country I think there's like 10 per per person or something and she goes so if that's there how do you even begin to remove that from the

10:11 public yeah how do you and then so you make it expensive and that's just the register that's just yeah so then she's like what's the Practical approach if we are going to make that move toward a gunfree country she's like no one will be able to answer that so it's one of those things where it's already released right so how do you make the best out of the situation cuz also there is a huge part of the population that believe like well if you do try to take this away from me then you're going to take away my like Freedom so it might cause a civil war right I don't know like so why why antagonize but to that point it's like the United States is the only country that has this level of issue like every country on the planet has guns so if if this was an isolated case I'd be like okay but the truth is there

11:01 are are many rural eras areas in many other parts of other countries that deal with this like oh I'm by myself response time would be very long some places don't have electricity like who know who the ████ knows right yeah but they don't have these issues so it's like that's a question I do think ultimately it comes down to education that is going to be your strongest tool I do think that's the number one thing cuz I feel like there is some sort of disjointedness if like so if I were to look at it from if I I was a ████ alien right and I ████ came to like Earth and ████ and I'm like oh let's see how these guys operate and I'm like okay so this country what they say is really important is the Constitution right that's like almost their business plan or their mission or how they want to operate this thing I'm like okay number one freedom of speech so if I'm assuming

11:52 it's prioritized in the order of importance so that's really important to them free thought okay and then I would go and like like the school system are they teaching free thought do do they have debates are they like uh it's critical thinking like a a very big part of their curriculum or is it ████ home economics they learn how to bake cookies or some ████ you know I'm like okay so that's not really uh uh cohesive the second one I'm oh ████ guns guns is number two that's really important then I feel like that should probably be like PE like by the time everyone is a certain age whether you like it or not just like PE and running the mile everyone is comfortable enough and then afterwards when they graduate it's their choice of whether they want to own it see see here's my one thing with the Constitution is that what you're saying is valid and true cuz it's in there but

12:43 when the Constitution Constitution was written none of us have rights you you me him her we're not white men land landowning white so they they changed that right so the guys everyone who wrote the con yeah it's a of time but they're also the biggest racists on the planet you know what I mean I mean your point is like the Constitution's always evolving and changing with the times right the times have to change and evolve you know I think the gun none of us would have had rights we couldn't own guns even though it's number two cuz we're not white males who own land but now we can and and I I I think okay so so there's so many aspects to it right that we have to address like one is like public health and safety like mass shootings we got to figure out how to deal with that there's um well there's a lot of guns already out there in

13:33 circulation so isn't it better to just have like good guys with guns too so that's that argument but there's also like I think there's so many different conversations it's not just one each one's multifactorial right and it's state specific too cuz I could understand like the southern states that are very sparsely populated there's no law enforcement for miles and miles away let's say you have a farm and you you're like being overran by cartels and it's still like the wild west wouldn't you give them want them to have a fighting chance with like and they have zero mass shootings there right so like so like there's there's so many circumstances like that right or like let's say there's hella gun laws in Chicago but one of the biggest gun crimes in you know in Chicago hella murders whatever but it it's and then also there's the

14:25 aspect of like well I'm not even like buying this for self-defense I'm I'm just into the sport like I like hunting I like that so then um would that be taken away too or like there's people that aren't close to supermarkets and they just use it to get their meat that way you know so I it's like which ones do you address and put it all into like one thing it's it's kind of hard like there was the this incident at the Super Bowl Parade yeah there was hundreds of police officers hundreds Kansas City right but then two people got into an argument started uning like that's first of all forget the guns like there's something wrong with you if you like you know what my first instinct is to pull out my gun after we get into any type of disagreement unless you're trying to kill me well that goes to like responsible yeah the impulse control is

15:17 it's just like out of control dude and on the flip side though you know one of the reasons why uh Japan never directly invaded the US is when they did a census and figured out the probabilities they were like it's stupid to have an invading Army because the population is so armed so that's a deterrence for that I don't mean now war is so different right but in that during that time it was like um it was like a deterrence for other nations to come and we we do War so much differently now but yeah so there's kind of a there's like so many different layers to like how it's beneficial how it's not beneficial and I really wouldn't even know what type of laws would help because I think mass shootings is like yeah sure you could take the guns away but you still have to address the issue with what's happening with the youth or people that want to even do it cuz it was actually much

16:09 easier to get guns in the 60s but you don't have the same amount of mass shootings happening there you can mail order guns you can just go down to the street and buy it people would like have it racked up on their truck you know and and so it was it was readily available without the regulations that they have today so I'm like what happened from then to now to where we have so many people wanting to shoot up schools the easiest solution does seem like if you just don't have a gun period it's easier but that doesn't seem very realistic like say if we were to solve the problem or try to do as much damage as we could to the problem within like the next 20 years like how would that problem solving look like as far as like whether it's state to state federal like thing what are some changes that you could Implement that would how do we create more stable humans the biggest lever to pull when people were dying from cigarette smoking

16:59 right government said Joe the Campbell has to disappear cuz he's selling cigarettes to kid he's too sick at it because he's too good he's too cool he's making it look cool right but that'll never happen with guns ever because of the Second Amendment and John Wick is six John Wick is and they made four of them or five of them but you know how much TR to that point how much training does does ke Reeves do T this is what I'm saying education yeah that's true like if I have to drive a car we got to do the road test you got to do this which is fine that's the bare has to be part of it just has to be part of the culture I don't know cuz you can educate so for example right like let's say um there's a lot of people that would go to school and they'll they'll do the homework and whatever right but there's also a bunch of kids that just won't study it right and they're probably like the most likely ones to go out and

17:49 probably start becoming Knuckleheads and becoming you know gangsters or whatever and then they'll start using guns and what they're not going to be the same it's like preaching to the choir is what I'm trying to say like it's like the responsible ones are going to do responsible things what we're talking about is how do we prevent like criminals how do we prevent people that are loose cannons that are ghost guns right cuz the even if we educate them I don't even know if that's going to prevent mass shootings yeah cuz that idea of gun control kind of changes it's not really talking about gun control it's how it's how to make like the best humans possible yeah and are we trying to really prevent the thing I don't get is like are we is the goal to prevent mass shootings or to prevent shoot because like there's more just gang shootings than there are oh yeah like mass shootings is only like 5% compared to the actual amount of when you when you look at what's classified as a mass

18:40 shooting those are still things that happen in the hood whether or not it's at of school like like gang shootouts it's kill count it's kill count and so that's still something that happens but then like that's I feel like those are two different targets like stopping mass shootings and then stopping like just Street shootings there's two different solutions to that I think yeah I think it's it's it's more like trying to you're you're putting more rules on people that don't really need it cuz that's not the people we need to deal or they won't follow it no it's the criminals and also the like yeah the the troubled kids that are blasting up schools and how do you prevent that or like how do you adjust that you know yeah placing more restrictions on law-abiding citizens just hurts the people who are already following the yeah cuz if you restrict them now you don't give them a fighting chance against the people that are trying to break into house now the ratio is completely skewed yeah so how do you thin it out and Target only the people

19:31 that are like violators basically by by Nature like like uh like people who are living a criminal lifestyle basically cuz then like if you it depends on like your timeline right if is it the when a person starts to be mentally unstable there's a way to address that versus the guy who has already made up his mind wrote some crazy Manifesto at home is literally packing his backpack to go do something that's different solution so it's like even the same like I patient if you will needs different approaches depending on what part of the phase in their like mental cuz then you have one one dude that's just a snapper like he's just something went and now he's just nuts and he's going to shoot anybody and then you have another guy that's just everyone around him is also like that and it's not weird that he's shooting

20:22 people oh like all his buddies are ████ crazy like you have those kids on Instagram that are like 12 13 and they're just like ING with guns that's a different that's a total different motivation but then like either way the the adding more like law adjustments they're exempt from from that both both sides are so it's hard to like what well there are already laws in place that make what they do illegal so I'm like how do we how do we even address it in a better way like that's the that's the I think question if everyone should be like cuz it's honestly if if what they were doing was complicit with the law it wouldn't be cool and probably wouldn't be doing that you know what I mean they probably wouldn't be like hanging around like just make everything legal make everything legal guns drugs everything make it all illegal undercut the The Source one of the biggest areas of focus with the guy that's like one either

21:13 super disgruntled to the backpack it starts with uh family life how much purpose and productivity they have because if they don't usually it's people with bad families and neglect yeah neglect they don't know what they purpose so they don't have a place to channel anything they're just all pent up so it is like a lot of areas you have to yeah it's not like one quick solution cuz you need the quick remedy of like okay we're in this situation now how do you grab them and remove them away from society before they're they're like actually carrying out their their their crazy stuff right and then there's like well how do you prevent that and then also there maybe it's a everything like maybe you do need certain laws for you know like yeah to give less access or I don't know or maybe you need like a

22:03 change in culture maybe it's not even about bureaucracy and government doing it maybe it's just people social yeah yeah like like creating a better culture a community like it might just be that I don't know like making punishments worse doesn't necessarily ever create less of a crime right no I think it is all the above I think that is the right answer it's hard yeah it's m I don't think one thing is going to make because when people talk about well any of these issues right it's like people love to talk about ideals like oh it' be great if we could do this and get of let's be like Scandinavia yeah it's like yeah but you know but that's also a different culture but it's also like okay yeah we could do that with ████ anything like what's the point of this conversation if you're really going to like let's try to figure out what we can do with what we have yeah of course get rid of all of it was a great ████ idea but yeah go it's like Jason channy's bit about it

22:53 how he's like I don't like guns but everybody has guns yeah he's like I want to I don't want to have it I'd rather have it than than not true I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it but just like for fun though I do like just shooting clay and Target cuz it is the fact that I could have one is so cool bro when you're shooting it's like you're learning a ████ sick skill like you're learning something that takes a lot of practice and time and effort and you do get like oh I love the process of this went to Texas for my 30th birthday and it was the first time I shot a gun at a shooting range and then they were like yo do you want a machine gun bigger gun and I was like yeah and then I realized I was like oh my God this is this is this is a lot of fun but at the same time I was like holy ████ this is too easy like this is way too easy and I was like wow it's

23:43 powerful but like any other weapon or tool you have to learn how to use it for sure and that's the kind of the disconnect I mean you still got to learn how to shoot a gun no definely you can't just like you got to take time and effort I bet a lot of those gang members don't know how to shoot talking about them you're going to a fiery range to make sure you know how to shoot the gun there's this viral video that was going around of this guy at Burger King and he's he's about to grab his burger and he has a gun in his basketball shorts wow dude BR it goes off oh my God and it shoots the floor and everyone's like what the ████ and he's like trying to look around like what the ████ he's like he farted and he's like trying to blame there was that video too of a guy that was like looking at his ring Cam and some some there's like two guys at his door one of them's like knocking on

24:33 the door with the gun and it's it has a double drum oh ████ my God that's like a thousand bullets right there shot himself in the nightclub Giants wide receiver after winning Super Bowl then they didn't play well deserved but like this I'm like come on guys like what are we doing here yeah but then the thing is like when I'm when I'm in a country like that does like for example Japan right I don't feel like I ever need one yeah but that's cuz I feel extremely safe there also the culture too yeah there's when I'm in s clini i don't need one how o but but it's a it's a culture thing I think I mean cuz even yeah you feel unsafe in America where you're like hey there's places where I need a gun yeah like for some places I'm going oh I'm going to go there today so I just I just bring it with me cuz you just like I mean come on dude we have people here

25:23 that's like out of nowhere like going to run up and bite somebody no for real bro like we have we have all kind but then you're going to turn and shoot that person no I mean like or you going to be like by warning shot no like well I I have to right I think people really don't truly understand like how scary it is to be in a situation where you think somebody's unstable and they're approaching you like that alone is very you know like that guy that creeps on you when you walk your dogs as long as I've been ████ doing martial arts and I me like nerding out about this ████ I ████ love this ████ right this dude came up to me and he would he he looked like just a slop like he just looked like a ████ crazy guy but I was like yo what the I was tripping out so ████ hard and trying my best to be so

26:13 cool you should always carry a extra ghee so you can put it on them and then wrestle be like be like here here here I'm in the position I'm in the position just that idea of like yo someone is walking I'm just trying to like mind my own business I'm trying to get out of my ████ house and this dude trying to like run up on you for no reason like what that's where I'm scared too is that like so far in the past few years I feel like the state California is moving more and more towards anch oh we're going to make it even harder for you to help yourself even harder now there's no cops on public transport now you have to call a social worker it's like everything they're doing to make you more ████ and it's like dude I don't I also don't want to hurt anybody at all but like what the heck if I'm being attacked there's there's no help you just got and I'm going get in trouble after this if I punch if I tell

27:04 this dude you step another close to me you step one more step and I punch you in the face and he dies and he hits his head and dies I go to jail bro go to jail yeah that's crazy you have to go you take one step closer B your idea don't make me do it that's probably the best way to do it that's put yourself in a head just hold on hold on give me 30 seconds all right is it it choke yourself out I just take my pants off and start chasing I want to tap but I probably won't get more than like two in yeah it sucks but I think if most people experience that where they they had to be in a true self-defense situation they'd be like yo give me a ████ gun immediately yeah anybody who's had trauma we and we're guys like imagine what your mom would feel like or like someone and then up against three guys that are like 6 feet tall like yeah

27:55 I'm taking the gun yeah yeah or a mom with a kid kid there's no ████ guarantees out here bro yeah in that one moment you you know you got and I and I feel like if I lived in a place that I felt safe in like when I walk around Europe and stuff yeah there's like guys that that like will throw fists or whatever there's Shady places everywhere right but our level of crime and our level of crazy is just like wild it's like war zone level so I'm like I don't trust certain places and I grew up in LA and I know how ████ can like set off but you just don't know anymore that's the problem is like when you go to places that used to be really nice neighborhoods you just don't know just yesterday in Lincoln Heights me and smack are trying to do head shot for our friend so we're just like out on the sidewalk there's a guy with a knife this

28:45 long walking around just going like this and then we have to like go to the other side of the street and then I'm like yeah what do you want me to do about that guy you want me walk away so I told a guy there there was another guy right there and I was like hey hey dude watch watch out there's this dude walking around with a knife and that guy goes oh yeah he lives right there so you should stay away from his side crazy you're on his territory exactly like he lives not he lives in the trailer that's parked on that part of the sidewalk so they're like it's best if you move yeah that sucks summerlands dancer dude he got to go Summerland hey I'll tell that guy hey he'll come to you they'll be there don't worry yeah but it's like it's crazy cuz that is the reality it's like stuff like that is probably unheard of to some people's communities yeah they never

29:35 been to Downtown LA and you're just out there like buying roses and a dude's like swinging a chain and going I'm going to kill that ████ and you're just like holy ████ right but listen to that adjustment that dude who that guy has a business right where that other guy is hanging out and he's not like oh we'll call the cops or let's get him out of here he's just like oh yeah just just don't go there yeah that's the world EAS for them to to reason with some that's where we that's where we're at that's where we're [Music] at

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