0:00 it removed my post that when I said beat beat you to the punch I was like I'm going to beat you up k l pun I've got in trouble for that too I'm going to punch you in the face I said I said we had to beat up bouchi okay that's you can't [Music] what welcome back very poignant po I got to show you a funny video later dou news Joe add it again poignant episode of the careful boys where today we are going to talk about Free Speech oh ████ Free Speech it's just been a a relevant topic that it's ironic that it's been a really really big topic but free speech what is what is Anybody Everybody think about it do I look like no neck ed from the 90day fiance you're
0:52 my best view that's free speech that's like that has nothing to do with anything but you're technically allowed to say whatever you want and I'm glad he did because it brought to us okay what you do kind of look like Ed is going on these days with everybody talking about free speech is under threat and then like there's actually people that want to control speech and I was trying to look into why that is cuz there's like the whole woke group right that people are like oh and every time I hear their argument one I don't think they quite understand the law and what it means because they're like conflating like hate speech and they think that free speech is they're using that as a guise to do hate speech but hate speech is already illegal it's already it's it's
1:43 there's already a law for it so now what they're saying is like oh well people that just want to make jokes and and and you know be misogynistic or bigot or homophobic um they're like using jokes and other things as a GU under free speech to kind of loophole into uh being hateful and then but here's also the controversy because hate speech even though it's like been deemed illegal in certain capacities and stuff like that is also uh it's there's no clear line of what is it's it's like subjective in a sense oh no it's a it's there's it's it's it's it's defined in the law of what hate speech is yeah but the thing is like it is subject for example like uh I was just I was just reading up on this earlier where back in the day if like somebody became like uh you know like transitioned right and then you uh
2:35 and their person that their name was Joe right and then they transitioned and now their name is like Jenny but then if like back then you accidentally called that person Joe right that wouldn't be hateful but now that's considered dead naming yes so so you're you're right in the way where the group now that's not a mistake no so can I not be ignorant so Anthony is right in the way where they're misunderstanding what hate speech is used and now they're trying to redefine what what counts as hate speech which is which is the subjectivity part about it you know what I'm saying yeah so it's not it's not subjective in the eyes of the law if you put this in court like dead naming someone or whatever like it that that's what they're debating on right now but it's subjective in the eyes of lawmakers it's subjective in society so there's two things that's going on right so like people are trying to control uh what is allowed to be like
3:28 talked upon free speech whatever right like there's there's few things going on one is private companies are allowed to Monitor and censor the way they want they don't have to comply with the law law because they also have company law so it's like hey in our platform you can't say that right and and and so that's one way where people are like why the ████ is Instagram taking down my post I'm not even saying anything illegal then there's the other side of it the extreme side which is you violated a law you create you committed a hate crime you did hate speech now you're going to face consequences from that not social like being burned by the state socially but actually you're going to go to ████ jail so that's there's that part right and then I think there's like a lot of misunderstandings of like when people
4:19 have this uprising of like we should be able to say whatever we want well the companies don't have to comply they can make up their own rules private companies yeah and then there's also like the social aspect of it where ethically they're like not they're they're not they're trying to make it an Ethics argument of like oh that uh deadnaming someone or whatever that's wrong and then some people are saying as Extreme as like you should be punished by law now that's where the Free Speech stuff is coming under threat yeah is it is the law being updated where dead naming is going to be hate speech classified I I think it's still an argument right now because like we're just in a such a polarizing time on those types of topics in general it's it's not like a clear sensus consensus on like Society thinking that the idea
5:10 even of like transitioning is something that is correct did Canada already do that did Canada already update where like you can't I thought that was still in the process that's what that's what got Jordan Peterson famous exact well yeah so like he was fighting against that that that specific law cuz they were trying to mandate um so the government was trying to control the legality of having to call someone by their pronoun right and then that's when um Jordan Peterson was like debating those kids on campus and he went viral from that yeah I remember that yeah Canada's main bill was Bill c16 which added the words gender identity or expression to three different places first it was added to the Canadian Human Rights Act joining a list of identifiable groups that are protect protected from discrimination
6:01 these groups include age race sex religion and disability among others second it was added to a section of the criminal code that targets hate speech defined as advocating genocide and the public incitement of hatred where it joins other identifiable groups and third it was added to a section of the criminal code dealing with sentencing for hate crimes if there's evidence that an offense is motivated by bias Prejudice or hate it can be taken into account by the courts during sentencing and that just gets so tricky though because who who gets to make that defining Factor going back to the objectiveness and then going to back to what Jordan Peterson kind of said how much do I have to be involved in your self identity and what if I just made a innocent mistake innocent mistake and then all I got to go to jail cuz I accidentally called you a man when you look like a bearded lady like come on dude who that's Prejudice dude I think I think things are a
6:51 problem it's a slippery slope I've been called ma'am that that's ████ up when I have my ████ hair down like this and they didn't and I was ████ checking out at the register a female called me ma'am so if somebody calls you ma'am honestly you should fill out a police report and get that lock that ████ up you should lock that ████ up dude would you like a bag man what my name is is Joe yo so there's also a really crazy thing going on in the UK right now because of the killing the uh the unfortunate killing of three children in Southport that happened a month ago dude yeah what's the story on that oh dude a whole another thing there's yeah is it immigrant stuff cuz I know they're going through some immigrant there's a lot protesting and down so what's the story on it that the murderer was born yeah
7:43 the like the he's he's I think he's salian or something but he was born in Wales and then it was a 17-year-old boy yeah he went into a dance class and stabbed up a bunch of kids yeah killed three girls wow Y what horrendous so this is sparking up all the immigration talk huh well he's not even an immigrant I think the way that the media was just trying to like be like look at this innocent boy and then they show pictures of him when he was like 12 all cute in like a uniform instead of his current pictures of him like as a teenager I am your captain now that he looked like that he looked pretty deranged at least when I saw mentally ill or what yeah he looked like a ████ lunatic so the lo I think the there are more like pissed at the fact that it's not so much the Immigrant
8:33 stuff but how the media is trying to make it like innocent and this is also all it's kind of The Perfect Storm cuz it also is all happening at the same time as people are rioting against like Muslims and Asylum Seekers um that have been just kind of uh attacking Jewish uh mentality just a lot of anti-emetic kind of conspiracies that are like fueling a lot of stuff and then this murder of like three kids also happened and that's when everybody just kind of like went into full-on riots like the protest turned into riots they like drag some dude out of his car and like ████ his car up just yeah for nothing and they said it's like main I don't know if it's true but they were saying like it's mainly right-wingers or some ████ yeah so because yeah it's kind of all ████ up right and how it ties in is that like um people are using social media platforms to kind of like you know pour
9:25 out their frustration and or fuel you know like further protesting and riding and stuff so the UK is now starting to hand out actual sentences like uh it says like 118 people have now been jailed for their involvement in some uh some of the unrest that via social media Uprising and racial racial hatred so now like people are we're we're entering this kind of like really slippery slope where if I made a Facebook post about something because I was emotionally charged about this topic now I can get jail sentencing and that's a wild thing you know what I mean what up guys thank you for watching us for so long if you like what we do please support our patreon Joe tell them what we have to offer so every week you get two videos one never relased director's cut and another one too hot for YouTube patreon
10:16 only every freaking week you get that and you get access to our Discord where you can come chat with us and ask us questions that become episodes here cuz we're going to answer them and we're going to take it seriously and we want to give you the responses that you want want so come stay connected with us join our patreon click the description below for full details I think in the UK they're um they have they're they're similar to ours in free speech laws but I saw some clips where like let's say you're voicing your frustrations on social media the police were AR like coming into your house and arresting people for those posts yeah like they don't have the same laws like you know how for us you have to have a warrant in the cop they can't arrest you for things that you write unless it was a direct violation of like let's say you made a
11:07 threat to kill the president or whatever then then they could come and get which which this is kind of similar like for example one of the guys uh his name is Jordan parlor age 28 who who was given a jail sentence uh apparently he called for an attack on a hotel housing refugees and Asylum Seekers on Facebook see if you're if you're the event organizer for that Facebook event you should be should in trouble dude that's that's not a he's like free speech Free Speech it's like that's not that's not an emotionally charged that's blatant intention I can't gather a bunch of boys to go and I hate people like that because they want you to do the worst ████ but they don't do it yeah terrist attack I also don't like that because like do it your ████ self man the other guy his name is Tyler K age 26 he was convicted after he use social media to call for hotels housing Asylum Seekers to be set a light that's crazy
11:58 yeah see that's just like that's just too much that's wild dude but honestly though like if you that's probably the good thing about social media is you do all this a lot of stupid ████ like that there's a paper TR so we could track exactly what you're doing the things you're engaging with but that that should be in essence the even like the concept of free speech right like um free free speech isn't like so free right it's it's you have the freedom to say it and but you also but there's consequences you have the you have the freedom to to show clues that you're a ████ insane guy yeah like that's what that is you know like these are probably the kind but there's already laws against like making threats yeah you know like he's he's organizing yeah or like inight like hey we should all rally up and burn down this ████ hotel full of immigrants like that's there's already laws against that this is what I
12:48 mean by like on both sides it's a bunch of ████ idiots that don't know the law that are saying like hey Free Speech they think Free Speech means you can say whatever the ████ you want without any conse and there's a way to if he wants to express that you could phrase it where it it fits in the law yeah you could be like yeah man if something happened to that building I wouldn't be that mad about it you know like okay then say that like that's that's another thing too that's that's because you understand the law right so on both I'm seeing like the people that want to suppress speech they don't even know that there's already laws that are against the things that they're against yeah because they're just not clever yeah like you can't say you want to kill someone you have to say if they died you wouldn't be that sad over it and then just put a buch emojis so it's subjective framing is important yeah phrasing baby I don't think I don't think any law should even be made over emotions in general oh
13:38 really in what way what do you mean I meaning like because give us an example emotions are temporary it's true depending on that situation so if something happened that day that whatever whatever whatever they're going to try to make the law or people will try to make the law off of that one day and that one situation which you know throughout the time doesn't make any sense at all right so you're talking about you're talking about the Patriot Act after 911 who knows whatever whatever it is I think emotion shouldn't be in any laws and any rules in general no emotion should be like I I got my feelings hurt therefore you should go to jail right yeah oh I see what you mean yeah that's what that's so like you're basically saying that attacking someone's emotion isn't violent just because you thought it was hurtful doesn't mean it's credited for a consequence of that
14:28 magnitude people say it's violence if you're like being mean to them well I guess I guess there's a difference right let's say somebody who's on the far right or whatever like goes online and tweets like I don't think transgenderism is real or something like that right that's like their opinion versus the idea of like being like this this quote unquote transgender person should be burned like that's like a totally different thing words have meaning so it changes the entire framing of everything and that's what's happening right now I believe in in the woke side right now the super super woke ones are are people are trying to have their emotions La protected by yeah protected by laws or they're trying to make it at a law yeah they're taking the position of we should be considerate right so like I think there's a they're ring up good
15:19 intentions of like hey we should probably be for some censorship because we don't want people to get hurt so it has these good itions but what ends up happening is it's not well out so then it's like well who becomes the judge and jury of AR like the government is horrible at like executing all these policies so right so the people who are making the the play of they're going to be the judges like it's just yeah we're opening up that whole Floodgate right and if if if if you're hurt by what we say or anyone else to say at the end of the day we shouldn't really care we shouldn't yeah I I agreee with that we should not we should not be careful about your feelings like you know what I mean like does that make any sense yeah I think the there's a there's that
16:12 that's what I mean by like social and ethics right that's different from legality so like one is punishable by like they could you could go to jail you could be fined you could be you could you have your rights restricted because you violated something that was was so severe to the public that like it shouldn't be happening but now if you're just rude and then people like bite back because you're being rude it's like that's different you're taking away the self-regulation of your own emotions like the responsibility of doing that you're taking that away completely societally I still think it's your loss if you're just a dick so I think like we should look at it that way cuz I remember V said something I kind of agreed with a lot long time ago where he was like yeah if you if you want to make a cake for some gay guy that's your
17:02 loss like you're going to lose the business every other gay guy is going to go I'm not going to go there anymore and then you're ████ like that's on you then if you want to be that but then they shouldn't come in there and be like no you are going to make a cake for every goddamn gay guy in this town like that doesn't seem like the correct response it seems like no let let the business fail because they don't want to make gay cakes there's signs that say simply that says we can refuse service yeah it's up but then it's their loss if they don't get business like abolutely yeah that's what I'm like I just don't understand why would you want to even give business to a person that's a bigot that's what like you could spend your money other places right the Cake's hella good I know right you're like I got to go yeah that's what said that's what s said then you have to go back and it's such a different era from um what do you call it when during
17:52 segregation or or you know when people are like Hey we're spending good money at the restaurant but why the hell do we have to sit by the bathroom or like why do we have like these different accommodations when we're paying the equal amount of money so I think at that point yeah we wouldn't want to go back to that right it's like that that doesn't make any sense if you're paying the same amount of money yeah but um when it comes down to the free speech like Point Elon recently said this to the to this journalist and he's like free speech should be offensive and uncomfortable like the only reason why you have a free speech law is because because people are saying things you don't want to hear which is protecting that also how do we challenge one another with the same way of thinking yeah also just to add on to what Ryan was saying about that bench pero example just to make sure it's it's clear um if
18:44 you were to like refuse let's say you're a baker and you're like I don't want to like you know bake cakes for cake people like that is still discrimination it's not that it's like morally or socially nice or right it's just that like like you said we shouldn't be like it's it's not like taxpayer dollar should go into like legal enforcing of like that type of situation when there's other things that that's going to happen regardless discrimination we should always be against the idea of discrimination but it doesn't mean that like there's like legal case for it it's all versus the support like yeah you can do you can refuse the right to serve somebody just because of like their skin color or their gender pronouns or whatever you know what I mean it's like you shouldn't but again that is that is like it's funny because all these other people that have those like I'm not going to serve this group or this group you can always guarantee that a Chinese man will
19:35 open up a business right next to you and serve everybody and be open 24 hours a day and they'll beat you so it's like you can be the guy that's like I'm only going to serve midgets or you could be the guy that's like I'm going to serve it's a tough business model it's really hard to stay alive in this in this I don't know if like if maybe I'm misunderstanding it but like I feel like a lot of the law and what people want out of it is getting swayed by a ton of people that don't ████ leave the house I feel like it's like the comments online don't reflect what we really run into in everyday life they're Bots dude yeah it just it doesn't feel like based on like idealistic values I guess right it's like exactly yeah the people that are working like the guy who works at a ████ Bakery who's uh refusing all these gay guys I like how this is the analogy like you know and his cakes are
20:26 bomb yeah that guy knows what he's doing when it comes to making cakes and serving customers that are not gay as soon as they're gay he has no idea what that's like bro he's never served a gay guy in his life or a gay woman this guy's ████ doing bake like Cake Art and he's doing two groom like two guys holding hands and he's fuming he's angry dude and the reason why is cuz it's like American Beauty he's gay but he can't get out of it you know it's already too late you can't come out now that's that's the problem that's what he thinks it just reinforces it like with all the ████ that he got do you think now he's like yeah I ████ up I love gay guys like no he hates them even more now like are you kidding are you kidding this guy ████ hates the passion now I don't know yeah but he's in love with them yeah that's why I think like a lot of these laws are like it just does it's not reflective of everyday life I think it protects the
21:16 extremes right from from happening but I don't know it's just this whole like sentiment of if you I get your name wrong ideally like I I know it's deeper than that but on the surface level if I get your name wrong I go to jail or you could charge me with criminal charges that just seems a little crazy and I would like to think the person who's transgender who gets dead named a common sense to I think most of them are not going to go down it's just so weird that like transgender people in real life to me from personal experience are ████ normal but then like when you look online they're all extremely nuts and I'm like that doesn't correlate well with what you see in the world I feel like exle that's what I'm saying like the people I know that is lgbtq community right Nick like they're not like the influencers and the crazy people that we see
22:06 online what yeah but they they don't even they think those guys are ████ dumb so I'm like I think the online world has a different quest uh culture that's completely not reflective of the real world yeah I think it's weird that we're using The Stereotype as the example like that's kind of strange to me it'd be like if like the government was saying all Filipino guys are sleazy ████ cheat on their wies they ████ are dude they all have M they all have multiple families a little bit but I don't think that should be any laws behind that like I it'd be weird Filipinos like is it illegal to be romantic is my passion so bad I mean real quick though like we we did see over Co what happens when um they try to control speech like they went really
22:57 hardcore on all the plat forms right and then what we realized was The Gatekeepers were interns college kids that were like had all this ████ power they could take down channels they could take down posts they didn't even understand the world very much they had a very biased point of view which was extremely left-wing and from Silicon Valley so anything that they had a biased against they started shutting down everything and on top of that you saw all the Twitter file leaks the government was working um with the FBI like I mean the government in power at the time which is you know Biden's Camp was working with FBI to censor and silence a lot of the ████ that they didn't agree with on Twitter yeah so it's one-sided then it be it became
23:48 really it became like a thing where now you have an 18-year-old intern that's sitting there working for YouTube uh deciding if this post should be I don't like it up yeah they're like misogyny bigotry whatever and then it's like you read it again and you're like oh actually no this was a uh it was a satire and then you're a little bit older you understand like the the context and you're like no that wasn't that actually wasn't what you think it was and that's if it gets to a human judge like it could still be the system Instagram removed my post about beating up can so yeah it removed my post that when I said beat beat you to the punch that expression is violent I was like I'm going to beat you up K LOL I've got in trouble for that too I'm going to punch you in the face I said we had to
24:38 beat up bouchi okay that's you can't what they're they're going to come after you there's a warrant for your come on oh ████ come you're not even fully registered yet
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