0:00 Hey, fan fiction is still the website still up and running. Hey, there was a fan fiction about us that was written. It was amazing. end with us having sex? That's right. They did that for me and Steve. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were playing hard to get the whole time. You guys You guys having sex afterwards? Like non-fiction meaning that it could happen. It's not totally fiction. Wood talk has come in me multiple times. Welcome back to another filled episode of the Careful Boys. I don't even know if I'm allowed to say that in the first like minute and a half. Demonetize. Thank you. All right. Don't demonetize us. But here we are again with the amazing Above the Influence crew. Hey, y'all. By the way, the fans love it every time you guys come down. We have great chemistry. That's why. We were just talking about that right off camera over there in Bar chemistry, huh? Bar
0:50 chemistry. So by the bar, we were just having this conversation and you were you were chopping it up about how awesome we are because They were like We were like roading y'all. Older than of you guys, right? And I think it's when they first came on here and one of the first things that somebody said was the word and then he was like, "These are my people." Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. That's right. And it's back now. Congrats. I was about to say, we say it now. And I'm like, you know, it was like you grow up playing video games saying crazy things and then all of a sudden you're like You know what I mean? Like people just start ragging on you for it and I'm like, "I would never It's like you say that to everyone that you're just close with, you know what I mean? It's like a It's like a close thing rather than like a insult thing. I mean, somebody said it best is like you don't call actual the people that Michael Scott said it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You call your friends that. When they're
1:41 acting In the In the school, if we saw somebody making fun of a actual ████ or whatever Down syndrome kid, beat the ████ out of them. Put them in their place like, "Yo, you can't do that." But you call your friend that. Yeah, like you never call actual people that. Exactly. No, no. Yes, I do. I think I think that's what people forgot about on on the internet. It's like Keep body shaming alive. intention behind it, you know? Yeah. Absolutely. Because but we only call him on camera. Cuz he's actually The term of endearment. But it's also for me at least, I don't know if they can they can uh What's the word I'm looking for? Feel the same way. I was like, "How was I supposed to know?" My My whole thing is like I for for many years uh due to past friendships that we will not really discuss, I did try to you know, watch what I say and then try to be less of a brand risk for them.
2:31 For them to turn around and snake us anyways, I've kind of in the mindset of like ████ ████ y'all. I'm going to be who I am. Y'all rock with me, that's that's pretty cool. also try to be less of a brand risk also. At the same time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The bag is nice. I mean, words change its meaning all the time. But it's like uh the the one thing that when it comes to that one specific word, right? The one thing that really cemented it was the FaZe Boys, right? They're killing ████ right now. Streamers, whatever Maybe they're quite young, so maybe y'all aren't uh familiar you know about them? Okay. Yeah, like they had a resurgence. They're killing it for for all the of the social media game right now, right? They Bro, they say it all the time. Do they say that Do they say the F word? No. What's the F word? even say that. I love that word. That was our generation, bro. That's when we first started YouTube, they never demonetized
3:22 that ████ We said whatever the ████ Damn, YouTube didn't demonetize it? YouTube was Everybody said the N word. That is true also. Everybody said the N word. All day. Well, I mean Niagara Falls? Nag it. Oh my goodness. I mean, back in back in our day we used to say like gay. Like if something is dumb, we say gay, right? Yeah. Yeah. I used to say that to my younger brother and now he's really gay. He's actually gay. So you manifested it. No, I didn't mean to. It's your fault. Words have power. But you don't call gay people gay. No. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Well, you do as like a label, but not But like what the the way I don't say those words anymore, but honestly, when I was younger, it was just a word that we said. I don't know, man. I'm I'm in the mindset of whoever rocks with me rocks with me. They'll understand what you're communicating. Hey. What uh what au- audience demo do you target now, Esther?
4:14 Gay. No. That's That's That's how I feel. Swipe up. It depends on the audience cuz like with the with the FaZe Clan and all that the gaming world, you could get away with so much more, right? But you say the same words like in a book club of number one Amazon best-selling book clubs, like they'll be like, "What the ████ Who is this person?" 100%. That's what we learned That's what we learned is like, "Oh ████ like we one our audience, especially that we would meet in person, were like, "Yo, everyone's so cool, so like high EQ or like so interested in such cool things." But like when we were get going through all that ████ it's like none of y'all even watched a ████ single episode. Y'all are just from this corner of the internet that see everything and get so ████ mad and just want to destroy people's lives over it. But it's like y'all don't even ████ know us, you know what I mean? It's virtual
5:04 signaling. TikTok is like an echo chamber. Yeah. Literally just you just hop on that ████ congregate into like groups where they're just like, "Hey, we're all going to collect over here and like communicate with each other like, "Oh, look guys, there's this thing we have to take down now like But also it's not even to better the world. It's just more so like, "Oh, you know what? I'm just going to try to cancel you." I hate talking about this ████ cuz it sounds like we're b███████ most of the time. So I would like to Let's move on. You guys being kinda gay right now. Yeah, right? If If you do get canceled in book club though, I can still make you go number one. It might be an ego thing. It might be whatever. I don't I hate speaking on cancel culture too much cuz then it in my own head. Yeah. I would tell you this as veterans that's been canceled multiple times, over time
5:54 it loses its effect. Cuz look at Look at Look at what's-his-name um Chris Brown. Or like a lot Or what I don't think Bill Cosby EVER CAME BACK. HE'S IN PRISON. He's living IN THAT'S SOMEBODY THAT NEEDED to be canceled. First of all, Chris Brown recently won a Grammy. Yeah. Did he really? What about that What the ████ jack off in front of all the com- comedians. He came back with a hell of a harder turn. So it's like none of it ever sticks. Also, what's-his-face who uh was in Creed um uh Michael B. Jordan? No, the other guy in Creed 3. Oh, I know who you're talking about. Jonathan Majors. Yeah, he played Kang, too. Jonathan Majors is having his comeback right now for sure. But low-key Jonathan Majors, the reason he got canceled was low-key stupid. Yeah, yeah. Wasn't he like falsely accused of something or something? Yeah, but it's still it's still to the point where he got dropped. Like they they had to rewrite the entire
6:44 Marvel Phase 5 or whatever the ████ Wait, what the heck happened? I mean, we don't have to talk about it now cuz but what? No, Jonathan Majors? Yeah, what happened? Yeah, there's like clips of him when it was like a domestic violence type of situation where he had a girl where they got into an argument outside of an SUV and then like you could see the a moment where he like picks her up and like it not really slams her at the car, but kind of and then he runs away and then she's chasing him like cussing him out down like the streets of New York and it becomes this whole thing. Oh ████ I didn't even know that. No. Yeah, he gets canceled from all of the Kang ████ because they were ramping up for him to be the main villain Yeah, yeah, he had his bags set out for him. And then they they took him out from all that stuff. They canceled him for a bunch of movies. They postponed like two of his movies that were yet to come out and stuff like that. Um and now he's like low-key on his comeback tour.
7:35 Wait, but is it cuz they found out like more info of of that clip or is it just that it died out like I think I think both. I think I think that it died out and then also it's like we we ironically live in a world where everybody's quick to cancel people and it's like imagine canceling somebody for something that's like a arguable dispute and like semi-difficult to like really perceive how like complex it was versus you also got got like guys like like P. Diddy that like you got like thousands of bottles with drugs in them and he's got like It's just so undeniable you're evil. Yeah. Yeah, but it and it's complicated. I'm not saying there's like like evil is evil, right? Or like wrong is wrong. But at the same time like the same level of justice can't be applied across the board. Like canceling people today in the cancel culture is like end this person's entire career, never want to see him again. Because I disagree with him, not because of something like morally wrong. Yeah, but at that level
8:25 it never sticks. It's It's like the You could get canceled fast, but then you'll bounce back quickly, too. Cuz it it's not deep enough. It's not like you're Epstein. Yeah. You know what I mean? So like People like to build you up and then once you're once you're too up there, they're just like, "I'mma bring this person down." seeing a hero fall. Like they love that ████ And it's crazy, too. You look at like Johnny Depp who's like clearly exonerated from the entire situation, but that doesn't mean he didn't lose like hundred million dollar deals with like Pirates and everything that was going on. He He got pulled out from being ████ Grindelwald or whatever in the Fantastic Beasts. Like you still lose major deals. You're You're still canceled. he's Doctor Doom? I I Johnny Depp is Doctor Doom? Wait. No, that's Robert Downey Jr. ████ I was like, "WHAT?" OH MY GOD, THE BREAKING NEWS. He was also canceled. Wait, do Do you guys think playing like
9:15 those like evil roles in like TV or movies like affects the actors' mental health like in real life? I mean, the Joker. Yeah, the Joker. I I would say something like Joker, yes, cuz he's like a realistic villain and realistically like you have to play him like a psycho, but Thanos or whatever like, "Oh, I have the Infinity Stones." That would be funny though. That would be hilarious. You got the CGI costume on being like, "I'm going to snap my fingers and you're all tied like I can't stop snapping. Wait, you know You know what the worst thing is? 100%. I don't know about America, but in Korea, when they're when you play a villain, when you play a villain in a Korean drama, people actually hate them in real life. It's like Korean Korean people Yes, BUT THAT JUST MEANS THAT YOU'RE such a good actor that you you know Do you guys watch Game of Thrones? Yeah. J- uh Joffrey, that That guy quit acting
10:07 because of that. Really? He was So, I guess it happens everywhere. He was so good at playing the ████ villain of Joffrey, which was one of I hated him. But, it's like in my mind as an appreciator of it, I'm like, "Good job." Like, you're fire. If I met him in the street, I'd be like, "Oh my god, you're fire." If a villain makes me hate them, that means they did a good job cuz you want to see them fail. Just like uh Edge, ████ 2009 Randy Orton. Yeah. I know what you're talking about. I feel that. I feel that. That was just for us. Rest you guys don't know. I mean, I think people that cancel, it's also a power play. Like, the the like the viewers feel a semblance of power when they see the influencers that they put up on a pedestal. Like, it's like influencers are kind of like a reality character like reality TV show characters, but it's even better than reality shows because now you have a say in like the brand deal that they get. Like, you have some semblance of power. You can take them down by like commenting, by like making videos about
10:58 them, and there's a certain thrill to watching people have a platform fall. And it makes them feel like they have control over their lives and control over our lives. Yeah. Yeah, they hop on. The funniest thing during And this is the last thing I'll say about this is during our whole fiasco, there were I think at least two people who who made videos, right? And they went semi-viral. And I would click on their ████ follow back. Like, really, man? Like, at least unfollow me before you make a video. ████ out of here. No, but they got to follow to see what the next ████ up you do is so they can make the next video. Very smart, actually. They're very smart. They're keeping tabs on it. ████ the game. Speaking of like uh Korean stuff, did you hear about uh Kim Soo-hyun? Oh, yes. No, no, we didn't. Not we didn't. Yes, not the new Yeah. You guys know about this? No, no, tell
11:49 us. Tell us. He's the number one paid male actor in Korea. He's like the lead of every like like romantic K-drama that just goes ballistic. Like he's He's like Ryan Gosling of Korea. What did he do? What did he do? Can he pull up a picture? Yeah, I want to see how hot he is. He's pretty hot. But, evil. But, he's been running orgies? K-orgies? No, no, I don't know if it I don't I don't want to talk on it too much cuz I don't know the details. Okay. No, so basically what had happened was He looks like a girl. He dated Hey, all Korean men do. But, that one specifically All Korean Korean men, not He dated this one uh model, but at the time she was like 15 when he was like 27. So, that was like already an issue, yeah. So, she's underage. It's very clear. It's all confirmed that she was underage when he dated her and stuff. Um and then they whatever the relationship He's traditional Korean maybe. Old school. He had hired her He created
12:41 like an agency like artist management representation model, whatever the ████ like full spectrum thing and hired her into his company. And then she gets into like a DUI of some sort, which cost over like half a million dollars in reparations for like the city, yada yada. So, she couldn't afford to pay it, so his like management company at the time paid for it, and there was some sort of like assumption on her younger naive self that like, "Okay, like he took care of me, you know, he took care of me, like whatever." Oppa. Oppa or whatever, yeah. And then I have to suck him off the rest of my life. She gets this invoice later on from the management company that she has to pay the stuff back. And the thing is she had already because of the DUI and the way the Koreans work is like if you make a like a ████ up like that, no matter how rising star you are, they like cancel your jobs. They They can't be a They destroy you, yeah. Right? So, she lost all her opportunity for work, but she still had this outstanding bill that was being now invoiced by her ex-boyfriend's
13:32 company. And so, she felt like she had nowhere to go. She's young. She has no opportunities. So, she ended up like sending him this text message directly to be like like, "Oh my god, like please like your management company is like hitting me up about this. I'll pay it back. I just you know, have to do it in small jobs. Like, please help me out because there's no way I can handle this." And he like ghosted her and never responded. So, then she ends up offing herself on his birthday. How dramatic. Super dramatic, which obviously brings to light a number of different things because then they also like everybody all the internet sleuths find out that their relationship was when she was underage. So, that's already strike one. Wow. And then strike two is that like it was under his management label or whatever, and then she personally texted him. He didn't even respond. And on the day that she died, aka his own birthday, he was like promoting some other ████ So, it just
14:22 looks very like Yeah. not a human and cold. also there was a picture that was roaming around the internet where it was her and him like cheek on cheek, you know, cheek on cheek. Yeah. And so, people were just like, "That looks weird. It's like a kind of a Yeah, you guys are something, but like she's way younger than he was." So, that kind of sparked some controversy. She got way more hate than he did. He was able to do Queen of Tears and all of that stuff, you know. He was still like popping, but that was her way of like trying to get get his attention, apparently, so that he could respond to her. But, that's what people That's what people are saying. Yeah. By killing herself? No, because because of the the the the picture. Yes, the picture. But, yeah, what's crazy is that like I feel like this happens so many times, no one takes a woman seriously until they kill themselves. Like, a lot of the
15:12 times right before um like Korean celebrities off themselves, there there's these warning signs. They have cries for help. They like put up on their platform like, "Hey, these management company bosses or these other K-pop stars are kind of like trafficking me or they're taking advantage of me. It's assault." And then everyone's like, "You're a ████ You're a liar, whatever." And then she offs herself, and then that's when everyone takes it seriously. And I feel like I kind of experienced a little bit of it where I was speaking my truth, and immediately people are attacking me. And I was like, "Do I Do I have to off myself too for people for y'all to believe me?" And what's funny is the people like a lot of the people that are obsessed with Korean media are not Korean, either. Not Not this Korean netizens are like this the most psycho of all people online, I think. But, a lot of people that get wrapped up in it are not even Korean. And they're just that for some reason when you get obsessed with it, you get just as crazy, just as like
16:02 vicious. And I feel like it's because it attract Korean media is the or Asian media in general is the most polished, the most like zero tolerance for anything cancelable. So, it attracts the least tolerable people and fans that want that need to like idolize some perfect ████ idol. And then once that gets shattered by anything, even just like, "Oh, you drunk You drank and drive? You deserve to die." Like, that type of ████ Yeah, they're so They're not even allowed to on their contract. You're not even allowed to publicly have relationships cuz that could hurt your image. They'll hurt your fans. They'll literally start sending you death threats cuz you got a boyfriend. It's honestly so bad. The control is Exactly. There's no empathy. There's no logic. It's just straight up like hate. It's It's disgusting. I think the reason why um they don't care as much for women is because the fans are all in love with
16:52 the men. And they actually think they have a chance. So, they see you as competition or they see the other women as like as something that's like, "Well, ████ that's my man." Yeah, wake the ████ up. Wait, that reminds me like Wooyoung has like hella fan pages of girls making like fan edits. And I'm just like, "Why are there no fan edits of like me and Esther?" Like, where where's the fan edits of the girls? I would No, no, I would like to say that they're my people. You might not want to see them. Can I just say that he has a he has a fan girl like there's a page of him, a fan page. That's my favorite Wooyoung. It's It's so funny because there's like a there's like a what's it called? A photo booth picture, and it's Wooyoung, Vit, and I. And then they're just like, "Oh, Wooyoung with his friends plus Vit." And I'm like, "Motherfucker, I'm
17:43 You're not in You're in that picture? YES, I'M IN THE ████ PICTURE. And like the first part is I got my own fan pages, too. Yeah, no, no. I don't really got a fan page. But, okay, also we make content beyond the podcast on our Like, you know what I mean? Like like that Like there was an audience that existed previous to the podcast, and I think that obviously plays into it a lot. Whoever you are, I love you. Keep it up. I'm going to change my persona. I'm going to be different. Yeah, maybe maybe stop being so racist, and you'll get some of it. You guys, JK got fan pages on Reddit, right? Big lovers. We get spoken about on Reddit quite a bit, too. So, yeah. Never never Reddit yourself. It's kind of laughable, though. When you read it, you're just like, "This is not This is not true." Like, you're It's so crazy that you're just like, "How could you be mad about this?" appreciate the theories, though? I love
18:33 it. You're so creative. The The Redditors are the most insane. Like, Reddit is like incel land. Like, it is like the most insane people all collected in one place. Like, it's always like conspiracies and theories. And like even on like like yeah, like the stories on there. Like, I half the time I'm reading it like I just cannot believe that this is real. Like, it all seems like it just like like AI-generated stories. Like, I'm just like there's It makes you think how these people operate in their day-to-day life. They don't leave the basement. With our old cat? That's the worst part, too, is like I could sit there and be like, "Drop your address." They would They won't do it cuz they don't want even the people that do, you just kind of question how they execute or how they like have conversations with just normal people throughout their day-to-day. If you've met them in real life, and you just had no idea. Yeah. Like, what would be that interaction, and could you tell?
19:24 They're very low intelligence. It's a sign of like high intelligence is um someone that's able to hear an opinion that's like different from theirs and be able to empathize or at least reason with it or just or just be like, "Hey, like that's a different worldview that I don't necessarily agree with, but you know, but then these people are just like, "I can never be wrong." What if it's super high intelligence, and they have that empathetic worldview, and then they're like, "I must counter to grow." I have to counter the counter? What were you going to say about the old cast? I am the Messiah. I must spread the truth. The The old cast, they would use They would on Reddit, they would have like the craziest theories of like, "Yeah, these two are together, but secretly I know this one wants to ████ that one, and then that one wants to ████ this one." On JK? Yeah, yeah. Cuz you could tell that these two actually have chemistry when they do these things, and I'm like, "What the
20:14 ████ is going on in your brain?" People used to ship me and Julia. Yeah, I did, too. Ship? Oh, like put like put you guys together. Secretly, secretly. It's behind closed doors. That always happens. Like, if there's a female podcaster and a male podcaster, I feel like people always Even like I only filmed two episodes, and already people are like, "Kiera and Lud talk look good together. Oh, she's flirting with him. She wants to be on the podcast, so she's like flirting with him." And I'm like, "All right, I see." I see it's happening right now. It's happening right here. But ours is We're already clicked up in ours. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they're like, "No, it's not actually this, it's actually this, and then this, and then this." And I'm like, "What the But it's literally It's the definition of a parasocial relationship, where you start like people start to get obsessed with the lives of other people to because like whatever factors they're witnessing are missing from theirs, you know? So, it's literally just an obsession of just like, "Oh my god, like the drama. Like I figured it out." And it's just Yeah,
21:05 I've never been compelled to write something on the internet in a forum about somebody that I don't personally know. If you don't like it, you just scroll or whatever. You pass it and you're done. Send it to your friend if anything. You have All right, guys. High intelligence, you would empathize with those people. And then comment back. Low intelligence, you would make a statement like that. Exactly. I just think it's sad that they're wasting their potential because they could be writing a novel. In But instead, you're at home Novel? No, no, just just You know, you have so much creativity. Like go, you know, write a book. Fan fiction. Hey, fan fiction is still The website's still up and running. Hey, there was a fan fiction about us that was written. It was amazing. Did it end with us having sex? That's right. Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They did that for me and Steve. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were playing hard to get the whole time. What? It was a It was a non-fiction. What do you mean a non-fic
21:56 You guys You guys having sex afterwards? Like non-fiction meaning that it could happen. It's not It's not totally fiction. Lud has come in me multiple times. And Kiera was here to watch? Tell me.
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