0:00 How do you guys get injured? Cuz because of how fake it is. >> Oh, come on. >> You won't find. [Music] >> Welcome back to a crazy episode of JK News with a careful voice. Uh we just finished watching one of the most amazing wrestling matches that happened live in the studio. Uh we got these four guys right here, courtesy to them for coming out. Uh and if you can please introduce uh yourselves starting from the side. All right. Well, my name is Ruben Eiglacius, like the singer. >> Uh, I'm Chris Hannah Ford. That's uh me. I'm training with uh my man right here. >> And I'm Robbie Phoenix. >> I'm the prodical son of Lucha Liieber. >> Yeah.
0:50 >> Heck yeah. Thank you guys for coming down. Uh so Chris is a longtime friend of mine. and I worked with him for many years uh through Party Rock >> and uh and he ended up getting into wrestling and he started going to an academy and it's actually owned and ran by Robbie right here. >> Wow. That must have been like um you were freestyling all of that, right? like you you couldn't like choreograph anything, so you just had to like go with the flow, grab stuff, and uh how was that? Like you just had to are you know, is that normal to like just freestyle or is they usually you you usually have like a thing like a like a what do you call it like something made ready to go like a set? Yeah, like a set. >> Usually we have at least a goal of what we're trying to get to. >> Um and then it's up to us how to get there. >> That's cool. Sometimes sometimes that's the best way though cuz you got to feed off the crowd's energy.
1:40 >> And have you guys worked have you guys all worked with each other many many times? >> I don't even know these people. >> That's funny. They just came to attack you, huh? >> Well, Robbie and I used to be tag team champions and used to be training partners and used to be friends up until >> turned on. Yeah. >> Today. Yeah. >> What went wrong? What went wrong between you two? >> What did go wrong? >> I just got tired of losing. So you you're saying that that Ruben was dragging you down. >> I mean he sense >> like I'm not trying to be an ████ but I mean I was winning before. >> That doesn't sound like an ████ right? >> I mean not to make excuses, but he knows I was injured earlier this year. I had a serious back injury. I'm just trying to get back into things. I even told him to be patient with me. I was training with him, but I guess he lost his patience. So >> Okay. And all of you guys constantly are
2:31 working while injured. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> Wow. >> Damn. >> How do you guys get injured? Because because of how fake it is. >> Oh, come on. >> You want Yeah, that's what I'm asking. >> He says it's fake. And in all honesty, I mean, >> I I have this ████ bump on my ████ arm just from what the ████ just happened. >> So, I I saw you cuz I was back there. I could see you guys' tricks. You doing a little makeup touch right there. >> Makeup. >> Saw you guys back there. >> Someone needs to Dave Schultz this guy. Dave Schultz. >> What's a Dave Schultz? >> I'm about to find out. Okay, >> look it up. Google it. >> Google it. Dave Schultz. Okay. Oh, looks like fun. >> He's faking. He's the biggest wrestling fan out of it. >> I love wrestling. That was awesome. That was seriously awesome. I don't know. By the way, I admire what the hell you do cuz you can't even breathe in that thing barely. >> Oh man. >> He sat in traffic on the way to
3:24 he >> he pulled up. We saw him roll up and he was wearing >> I grew up in this thing. >> His AC's broken. He's just in the hot >> seat. >> During co just wear that around. >> Oh, it was easy. Yeah, I was doing Uber Eats. Had my mask on right here. >> And we couldn't we couldn't wrestle. So, yeah. Easy. Uber Eats deliveries. >> That was it. >> So, how long has have each of you guys been in the wrestling game for? >> I know. >> You want to start grandfather? Yeah. >> So, yes, I am I am the grandfather of us all here. I I've been doing this for 25 years. >> Nice. And you're locally you're from LA and you >> I was born and raised in East LA. >> Nice. >> City Terrace. >> Nope. >> Right around here. >> Right in the spect. >> Are you guys are are you guys also fans of like the big WWE stuff or do you
4:14 think that's kind of hacked now and stuff? >> Oh, no. I love it, man. That's >> Yeah, we're we're still fans. We're always going to be fans. I think that's what keeps us doing this is we stay we stay fans. >> Yeah, you got to be a fan to some degree in order to even want to do this for sure. Um there's maybe not everybody follows every single episode, especially because I put out like 25 hours of content now, >> but uh yeah, absolutely. I want >> I mean I think it's important to stay fans and watch. >> You never know when you'll get that phone call from the big leagues and if you don't know who's who's what they're doing, >> you know, your trial could go really bad. >> Yeah. And how long have you been in the game for uh Riven? >> About 16 years now. >> 16 years. Dang. >> Nice. How about the rest of you guys? >> Man, I actually just debuted last year. I actually debuted against Robbie >> last year. Last year in June, I debuted. I was I've
5:05 been training since I was around 13. I started training, but I was always playing football. So, it was always and I played college football. So, it was always like had to take four months of training and then 8 months off. I'm just doing all football. If I got hurt jumping off the top rope, my coach would have killed me. Took my scholarship away. So, I always knew wrestling wasn't going to go nowhere cuz it's a family business for me cuz I'm a third generation. >> Third gen. >> Yeah. So, I've been training since I was a young. I met Robbie when I was like, I don't know, eight or nine. >> I first met Robbie. >> Came out the womb with the mask last time. >> A lot of people didn't People that I my my tag team partner, Warhog, I've known him since I was eight. He's seen my face one time. >> What the >> Wait, are you for real? >> I'm serious. I'm serious. Nobody >> That's amazing. So that's true, luchador. Yeah. So there's people that you're very close with that have never even seen your face. >> Yeah, for sure. There's people that have known me since I was a little kid in the locker room at like 5 years old. And
5:55 even then, my grandpa made me wear a mask and I wore masks. >> When's the last time your mom saw your face? >> A couple years ago. >> That's a trip, dude. >> So you're just like Christmas day. You're just sitting there with a bunch of stockings behind you and ████ >> Yeah, man. Christmas cards go crazy, man. >> Heck yeah. I think Chris, I remember you started getting into wrestling like not well how many years ago was that? >> So uh it was when we were uh coming off of uh tour I think the one that you met us up in Canada. So it was like 2017 18 or 19 something around there right before the pandemic. I uh I met Robbie um and he they were doing like a boot camp type thing and so with my schedule I couldn't actually do like the full-on classes so I went in for like a one-day boot camp and couldn't walk for two days but thought it was the coolest thing I'd ever done in my life. All right. So, like when music's done or maybe before then I'll I'll try to get involved on
6:46 maybe when we're done touring. And then like a year later, I went back for one more boot camp. And then uh Robbie was running that one too. I was like, "All right, I got to figure out a way to do this." So, I talked to Robbie when we were down to schedule to do just like private one-on-one training just to like see if I could even do it. Like, if you know, take you know, >> I'm I'm old. I got bad knees. Like, I've never gone upside down in my life, but like usually don't jump off the ground ever. I was like, probably not going to be for me, but I absolutely loved it. And then the pandemic hit. I was like, cool. So that's the end for me. No big deal, no problem. And then I think just about 3 years ago now. Y >> um as things started to open back up, I saw uh Robbie and Ruben actually win tag team gold. I was like, "All right, I gotta >> Are you still coaching?" He's like, "Yeah, let's let's come back and try it out." And so I've been training uh
7:36 pretty consistently, barring a few injuries uh for about three years now. And my first match is actually a week from Saturday. >> Yeah. Chris, >> what's um what's it like for a let's say there's a person that wants to get into wrestling. They have zero experience. They find your school. What is day one for them like at your wrestling school? >> Man, it's all about just getting them in shape. >> Oh, okay. So, it's a lot of working out, a lot of conditioning. My, you know, the thing is is you you can come in and you can, you know, be a football player, just be an athlete and be in shape, >> but there's nothing like wrestling training, you know, >> um you could tell me you run miles and miles every day. >> You get in that ring and you're going to die, >> you know? Uh because it's just it's a lot of >> moving fast and then stopping right away cuz you take a bump and then you got to get up and move again and then you take a bump
8:26 >> and you're crashing your body while still trying to move. Um, and it it's not it's not easy, you know. It's not easy. And >> so the one thing from day one is just conditioning your body to do this. >> Yeah. >> It's probably the one thing you can't call timeout for. If you need a breather, if you need some water, >> that's true. >> So if you're if you're scheduled to go 15 minutes in a match and you're gassed out in the first three or four, >> good luck trying to finish that. >> Well, you could do what Ric Flair did >> on his last match. >> Yeah. [Laughter] Little tip for you guys. Little tip. >> I saw it. I paid for that ████ I was watching it and I was like, I can't I'm a chump. >> They got He just kept walking in a circle. >> On average, how long would you say like a normal match would be? Like when
9:16 you're when you're doing wrestling matches? >> On average, you're looking at an average match is probably 8 to 10 minutes. >> 8 to 10 minutes of non-stop power. >> Yep. >> That's a lot, >> dude. How about choreography? like remembering exactly what's coming next. You guys talk to each other midway. >> You have codes that you say for like things on the fly. >> You freestyle out of it. >> Yeah. >> Oh, >> you freestyle. >> You guys are talking to each other, right? Like out there, >> you got to have the the finish. That's basically all you got to really have know when it's time to to get there. >> Yeah. Once you know where you're going at the end to where your ending is, then like I said earlier, it's just up to you guys to tell the rest of that story to get there. >> Oh, wow. So, it's not like you grab me here and then we do this. It's more like this is where we want the sequence. >> This is the end. This is the end we got to get to. How we get to it, we'll figure it out while we're outside. >> That's kind of cool. It's like an improv show. >> Wait, so is that like what WWE is too
10:07 and all that? Like just like is that how they play too? >> I think they take it >> I mean now I think now they do more step by step >> cuz of production, you know, >> see they have a big enough budget where they could hire producers and agents to kind of structure matches, >> right? >> Um out here we can't really hire guys to come in and help produce and help and they got their TV contracts and commercials and stuff so they have to time things out a very specific >> it's a two hour show they got to make sure each match doesn't go over it it's time >> I was going to say most of the time we don't even know who we're wrestling we we get there the first time I ever met him >> and he doesn't know who the hell you are cuz nobody's seen your face >> put his life in my hands I'm putting my life in his hands >> so my first match obviously being new I I structured everything from point A to point Z me and my it was a tag match uh this is before I met Robbie had another tag partner and we went maybe about 10
10:57 minutes >> and then the ring announcer said the first winner of the first fall and we looked at each other. What does it mean first fall? >> He goes, "Yeah, no one told you it's two out of threes." >> So, we had to go two more falls right there. >> I see. Right. Right. >> My first ever match and next thing you know the match went like 45 minutes cuz we just had to improv all this stuff to get to two more falls. >> Damn. Yeah. >> So, I went there thinking 10 minutes, cool. We're going to do this, this, this, finish. >> And they're like, "All right, >> wait. We got two more falls. Now I understand why at GCW they say one fall. >> Yeah, >> that means that as one tap and it's over. >> Well, mainly in Lucha it's always two out of three. >> Oh, it's always two. >> It was like a luch. Yeah, it was a lucha event at a carnival out in Maywood. The city of Maywood. >> Oh, yeah. >> And we just didn't put two and two together. Is this two out of three? We didn't even ask. I'm assuming it's one fall. >> Yeah. >> Like, nope. Lucha rules two out of three.
11:47 >> Are they longer? Are they longer shows? The lucha shows >> some some they go really long. >> Especially if it's at a carnival. They don't have no time to >> Oh, that's true. Yeah, they got all the time. >> You guys ever take out the refs cuz like you're like, I want to do some s█████ ████ >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Wait, but but you got to let the ref know. You can't just >> surprising. >> I didn't know you guys do that. My bad. >> So, is the training kind of like three sets of 12 of folding chair and then like five sets of like how does that work? Like you got to learn how to take pain, right? And all that. Yeah, >> that's my my uncle when he first started training me when I was a kid is really just a lot of like getting in shape but really learn how to roll and learn how to fall >> because we're not faking those slams. I get power bomb, bro. I'm getting power bomb with all his might, >> you know? Yeah.
12:37 >> If he's 66, I'm okay. I'm coming from 7 ft up. Now, if he lift me up, slam me down, I have to protect myself. He's not protect me. So, it's really just learning how to fall, >> strengthening your neck, and that's that's really what it is. Yeah. And for me it was body control too is to be >> Yeah. A lot of body control >> and and everything like Chibo said with the rolls and the the bumps, it's just like the building blocks of everything else. So everything that Robbie teaches me how to do. I literally have no idea how to do. I've never done it before. You know, you had me flipping over the top rope. Like I don't I don't look at me. I'm a suburban white kid. Like I've never done that one time. It's like but it's the concept of posting up on your hands then you tuck you do your roll. Oh, it's all this. It's just the building blocks of everything. So everything we do to push forward, it's the literally the first time I've ever done it. And if I think about it too much, I'm like, I can't. I don't want to. It's this is impossible. But you
13:28 rely on your training, your day one, and literally everything that we go me 3 years into training, I still think back to that first day of >> 100 squats of doing your rolls. And that was that was my favorite part about the that boot camp that we did was walking in again like you said I was training on my own trying to figure out and push myself as far as I could possibly go. And then on that first day >> we did squats until I literally couldn't feel my legs. I was like now we're going to start. >> Oh yeah. >> So the whole idea being like you now have to rely on your body control. Not like your your body's done. Like you're out. Like so now you have to force yourself to rely on your footwork, rely on everything else and just continue to push. cuz that's probably more like similar to what it'll be like when you're doing it from home. >> Exactly. No. >> So, do you think for this school, uh, is there any time that you're like, let's say someone fresh comes in, are you do
14:19 you see everybody as like there's hope for every single type of person that comes through or are you like, no, maybe come back when >> I do. No, I I see I see hope in everybody. Um, I always tell my students, uh, you'll quit on me before I quit on you. And that's the thing, like >> you'll probably get fed up and frustrated before I do, you know, >> and you'll end up quitting before I tell you maybe this isn't for you. >> Dang. >> How do you How do you keep it fresh? Cuz you've been doing it for so long, Robbie. Like, right, >> like like you you How do you How do you still have fun in there? Like, and keep it like new. >> It's a good question. Um, honestly I it's again training uh when I'm training with these guys, I'm still thinking of, oh, what if I can do this? Let me try this real quick. And then I just come up with something. One of the cool things I always like doing
15:09 is working with my guys. And like I said, anybody who comes to training has been a wrestling fan. So if I can do something in the ring while I'm showing them something and they're like, "Whoa, I've never seen that before." then I got something >> and know they see that then I maybe I have something I can work with and then I'll kind of develop it from there. So I'm still creating so that's that's the fun part for me. >> That's tight. >> That's awesome cuz yeah a lot of artists and you know they do have their moments cuz it's like over 10 20 years. >> Yeah. >> I think we all get there at some point. I know I have where it's like >> you kind of stop having fun for a bit but then you go to a show you have a good match the crowd just into it. the fans are comfortable taking photos, asking for pictures, and >> I think that's it for me. I think >> buying your merchandise. >> That's why I never had um
16:01 >> burnout or or or that uh old veteran grumpy old man thing where I'm tired of this already. >> Is every time I go out there and I do my thing, at the end you have the fans come up, man, that was great. Thank you. And I was like, wow, okay, I did something right. >> Um so that keeps me going, you know. Uh, I guess that's where I don't get frustrated be like, "Oh, these young kids nowadays," you know? >> Mhm. >> The other thing, too, is when these young kids come up like, "Hey, man. I saw your stuff. It makes me feel old, but they're like, "I saw your stuff. I really did what you do, you know. Can you show me that stuff?" I'm like, "All right, kid." >> That's cool. >> Yeah. So, for No Mercy Wrestling School, how can people like find out more info about, you know, what how much it's how much it cost to get there? So, you can find us on Facebook and Instagram at No Mercy Wrestling School.
16:52 >> Um, and you can just send a DM to those. >> Um, and we'll get back to you. >> Awesome. >> Yeah. So, if any of you guys are even a little bit interested in wrestling, this is a great jump off point to just go for it. Uh, probably not a good idea to try to uh freestyle it all yourself without the right guidance. Is that true? >> You can get hurt. >> Yeah. >> Speaking of that, have you guys ever taken the stunner? Do you think you can survive? survive. I don't know. 5050. >> These guys know they're humble. >> I mean, it took me a while to walk again, but I mean, I survived, I guess. >> Barely. Huh? >> Barely. >> What's the worst injury that each of you guys has had? >> Mhm. >> You want to go? >> Uh, like as far as pain was a torn ligament in my right knee. >> Oh, mid-match or training? >> Mid-match.
17:43 >> Did you still go? You kept going >> and and that that was probably the worst mistake I could have done. I should have just rolled out and just >> cuz there was three of us in the match and they needed me for the finish. So, I just pushed through the pain. >> Oh my. You're crazy. >> It ended. It was I couldn't even stand. It was It was awful. >> And you were out for almost a year after that or what? >> Uh 4 months surprisingly. >> Damn. >> Okay, Wolverine. >> Nice healing. >> Yeah, they said 6 to9 months and I was back. >> Let's go. That's fast as Damn. What the hell? >> ACL. It was MCL. Oh, you'd be out for a year. >> Yeah, ACL. >> Not nowadays, brother. >> For me, maybe 6 months. >> Still short. >> For me, uh, pain-wise, it was, uh, popping my shoulder. >> That wasn't fun at all. And it turns out I also like my chiropractor told me I disconnected like the my arm from my pec. So, he's like, I got to crack your
18:34 neck. I was like, none of those things make any sense to me. Like, my shoulder hurts, so it's this and this and crack my neck. and he and I was fine, but it was like I couldn't lift my arm for, you know, three days. >> So, the chiropractor actually it worked >> 100%. I was back in training then. >> Was he like a Was he an old Chinese guy? >> Uh, no. No, he's a tennis guy and >> Yeah. of all things. Amazing. >> Yeah, it was incredible. He's like my Dr. P. He's the best. >> Damn. Let's go. >> The most confusing was uh we were working on neck breakers and all of a sudden about a week after I felt totally fine. my left arm just started to slowly >> way later it started to >> get harder and harder to move it and then at some point I couldn't even >> couldn't couldn't do anything and then I couldn't lift at all and I thought I was completely done again went back to Dr. and we figured it all out. That was a
19:24 much longer recovery process, but I just kept like losing strength. So, it was the most frustrating, confusing one. >> Oh, yeah. >> But, uh, it didn't it wasn't pain. It was just like, why am I falling apart? Is just that I use my arm as much as you possibly can. And now it's just it's done. >> What does a neck neck breaker look like? >> Um, that's when you go. So, if I'm going to come over here, I'm going to grab him here and I'm going to shoot out that way and then take his >> take his neck. >> Do it if you want on the floor right now. Pop the pop his neck against my shoulder. >> Has never seen a neck breaker before. >> Doesn't watch. He doesn't get it. >> Worst injury. >> Let's watch ballet. >> Um I guess injury-wise, uh I dislocated my left shoulder. >> I broke my right shoulder. >> Um I do have neck problems because of that stuff. Um you guys can see I've been kicked in the teeth, so I don't
20:14 have any. >> Oh, that's Wow. >> Oh, wow. >> Fully committed. You ever thought about like getting it back? >> Uh when I retire. >> I don't lose them again so I don't lose them again. >> Just going to knock your veneers out. >> Good answer. >> Pay all that money just to lose them again. >> Yeah. True. True. Good answer. >> Did your partner mess up on the the teeth kick thing or was >> No, that was when I was a singles wrestler. >> Okay. >> I wasn't responsible. >> Um uh that's injury-wise. Painwise, honestly, is when I had a a pinched nerve in my neck. Oh, pinched nerves is the worst. Yeah. >> Um, it like went honestly it went all the way down to like down here to where I even had tingling in my in my arm. >> Wow. >> And I I that one scared me. I didn't know what was going on. That I've never felt that before. >> Um, >> how did you fix that?
21:04 >> Same thing. I went to the chiropractor. I was telling, "Oh, I I think I have a pinched nerve in my shoulder down in here." And he's moving up and he's like, "No, it's in your neck." I was like, "Shut the ████ up. my ████ shoulder that hurts. He's like massaging and he did the ████ stretch. My neck popped and I was like, I can move it. Um, so yeah, it was one of those weird things again. It's I thought it was my shoulder. It was my neck. >> Um, and it Yeah, it was crazy cuz it was so sensitive that my girl would try to rub it and I would like that's the only time I wanted to cry >> ever in in any injury. >> Wow. That's how >> that's how sensitive that was. >> That's crazy. >> Yeah. If you're uh if you want to train, budget a chiropractor into it. >> Absolutely. >> For sure. >> Yes. >> It's part of the deal. Yeah.
21:54 >> Yep. >> You know, I my worst injury I still have to go through right now. I'm getting rehab first. I have a herniated disc, my L4, my L5. >> Disc. Oh, no. >> I had that too. Actually, I should be resting. >> Getting cortisone shots and stuff. >> I have uh I got epidural shots and I get every match I I get I get a torid doll shot. Oh, >> every match, >> every match I get a shot in my ass and then I go out wrestle and that's just how I've been doing it for the last year. >> Damn. >> Oh my god. Yo, >> I'm getting another epidural though next month so I can not have to keep doing the tor doll and then just keep trying to do the rehab to shrink that. >> Yeah, >> but that like was real bad pain. I had like nerve damage down my leg in my sciatic. I didn't have feeling in my foot for like 6 months. I was just But the tour made me feel like Superman. So every time I wrestle like bro, I feel great. I can go out there. I can wrestle. I can do everything I need to do, but then like after 48 hours, that's
22:44 when it all hits. >> Oh, >> and you come crashing down. That sciatic ████ you up and you're just you're screwed. That I've been dealing with that for a year. But like the worst pain pain wise >> I went Oh, it's probably the this ████ guy like this my first match when we went for the I went he went for DDT and he spiked the hell out of me and I landed right on my head, bro. And like I heard so much cracking and I was just laying down and I was trying to feel my hands because I knew I was like I was like, "No, something's wrong with me." I felt everything go down my spine into my toes right after that DDT. And then we finished the match. I was good. But then for months, even after I was I was wrestling other guys, I I couldn't do that. I would get stopped. I couldn't. Now I could do this and everything, but I would get constant cracking. That was probably the worst one. When I went for a frog splash, I do a frog splash when I
23:35 finish. >> I went for the frog splash, but it was just real fresh off of my epidural shot. So when I went, I kind of snapped back >> and it just sent I couldn't even go for the pin. I rolled out my uh my uncle Cayam. He was my tag team partner at the time. He went for the pin instead. >> They kicked out cuz I didn't pin him. >> But yeah, it that was probably the two worst things that I had to go through. Just that and just dealing with this stupid ass sciatic pain, bro. >> Yeah. >> All right. We just want to thank all these guys for coming in and being guests on JK News. If you want to find out more about that wrestling school, again, it's it's No Mercy Wrestling School. You can find them on Facebook. Just send a DM and then everything will be taken care of from there. All their socials are right there at the bottom of the screen. So, make sure you guys support them, give them a follow, and uh yeah, thank you guys for coming by. [Applause]
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