0:00 No, no, no. That was Dark Knight cuz they hung the guy. Remember Joker killed him. Yeah. Are you the real Batman? The guy's like, "No." Yeah. All right. Did you guys know it's been 20 years since Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy began? Like Batman began? Dang. It's been that long since Batman. Years since Batman began. I thought it was longer, actually. I'm surprised it's only Well, it apparently came out 2005, right? Oh, so then from Batman Yeah. When Batman began. That's when it was all dark when Batman began. Yeah. So now, you know, kind of remembering the 20 year arc. I know you're a big time Nolan fan on that. Do you have any thoughts from all that stuff? The 20 year anniversary of Batman. It's my favorite. Batman Begins is my favorite
0:50 Batman movie of all time. Oh, wow. What? All time. Wow. Yeah. I think it's better than Dark Knight. I know the Dark Knight is like also like No, that's fair. That's fair. You're a Killian Murphy fan. I don't care. Yeah. But Batman Begins, I feel like even just like for my own personal subjective taste, like taking it to that whole like ninja training aspect, League of Shadows, Liam Niss, and then seeing it, I feel like that was like the first introduction of like cuz our last one was what, George Cooney before that. Yeah, it's true. True. Coming back from from Mr. Freeze. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Arnold Schwarzenegger. Mr. Uma Thurman. Did the reveal in Batman Begins like get you when it was like Liam Niss's character was really the dude was Razal Ghoul? Yeah, I thought that was sick. I thought I thought everything about Liam Niss, his training sequences, the like I feel like one of
1:41 my favorite like iconic Batman moments ever is the League of Shadows like when they go and then that cut where he has to find Liam Niss and when he's uh tripping on the what the PoppyC whatever that is whatever meth whatever. So anyways, the blue flower blue flower the blue flower whatever drug that is. I feel like I feel like that's Christopher Nolan's like for me that's like top three Christopher Nolan movie. Wow. Cool. Batman begins. Who are you guys? Well, not I'm not going to go on top Christopher Nolan movies, but I will say I love uh I love Michael Kane Alfred. He's the best Alfred. He's just the coolest Alfred. Just his accent. The way that he just like is this old guy who's like not um What was that one Alfred TV show? You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know you're talking about WB. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He had his
2:32 own show. Yeah. WB. Where you been, dude? But like it's like when Alfred's younger cuz he's in like the secret service or whatever and he does all this. It's called Young Alfred. No, it's it's like his actual after Young Sheldon. Somehow a worse title, I think. Yeah. Anyway, it's just like Alfred begins Alfred Alfred's tight because he's like this older dude, but like he's just got this wisdom to him, right? Yeah. Like so even that line of like what why do we fall type stuff, I just remember that just hit the right way. It did hit really nice. Or like him just saying like you do all these push-ups in the morning, you can't lift like a log or something like that. You know, it's like that kind of bloody log. What is the point of all those push-ups if you can't even lift a bloody log? Yeah. His character was just so tight in that movie. He really was a masterful Alfred. Yeah. Um and then just the the lore of like the League of Shadows being behind like the fall of
3:22 all these previous empires or like having burned Gotham in the past and like the kind of the the why for these things. It was just kind of a sick like it is dope cuz usually Batman villains are like I'm going to destroy Gotham City, brother. And it's like why do you care so bad about destroying Gotham City? Like they really justify. Usually it's cuz they were wronged by Gotham City in some way. Yeah. But like usually it's like cuz the cops like wronged them. Not they're going to destroy the whole city cuz the cops. Everyone loses now. So extra. Yeah. And it was tight. And uh Killian Murphy, I mean he's he's a favorite. We love Killian. Uh that was the first time I saw him in anything. was bad on Begin. I did. I don't watch scary ████ dude. I knew about it, but I didn't watch it. Yeah. Who was he on Begins? He was the the the scarecrow. He was wearing a mask, though. He was creepy. He was a creepy little brother. But it wasn't like it's not like the scarecrow that
4:12 the way he did it wasn't scarecrow like let me just be the scarecrow kind of like fictitious character the whole way. He was Jonathan Crane. Yeah. and he, you know, he's like the the psychology dude in the asylum type stuff and he plays like a character and then you find out he's scarecrow and that's kind of cool as a reveal. And I love Christopher Nolan's just like tone. I think he doesn't do he does a great job of like not doing like too much exposition, but it's you just kind of have to follow the script and then find what's going on in the movie. And I think a part of that as an audience, it's like it's such a cool tactic or style cuz it makes you feel like if you get it, you feel like you're one, you're in the movie or you're like smart enough. So you like you get pride in like being able to follow. I don't know. Right. It's just the way he does is it so tight. I feel like he bridged Batman to reality a bit way better than any prior Batman like the what all the
5:02 old movie franchises to even like the Adam West Batman's from back in the day. It's all fantastical. But yeah, whereas like with this one like explaining how he got so good at fighting like had never been done before, you know what I mean? It was just how does he beating up all these dudes? This ████ billionaire guy like how? And then even the weapons with Morgan Freeman just like how does he have access to all these things? cuz they kind of just pieced it together to like and then again just the making him like a billionaire playboy just as like a ploy to like uh make it seem like uh you know it's not as obvious if it's just Bruce Wayne the recluse. You guys didn't like the Tim Burton Batman. I love Tim Burton Batman in a different way. I don't like it. I love it. But that's probably because of our childhood, right? You watch them now, don't you? I do watch it now. Yeah. And it hits the same. It hits
5:52 me this. I watch it like once a year, but it it's it's just because it's like Joe said, it's like my first Batman experience. It's like the first experience I remember being in a movie theater for because I remember the Michael King ones. The the POW and the Bang and then that was on TV. No, that No, no, no. That's not Michael King. No, no, that was Yeah, that was Adam West. But I remember growing up and we would see that and that's what we would pretend to play in elementary school. And then the Tim Burton ones came out and that was next level. It was next level cuz it was dark. Yeah. And and like the Alfred there didn't give him anything to do like I'll go he was he was so good at that character but they gave him nothing to do until s█████ ass Batman and Robin like you know and like and that was too bad cuz that guy was awesome as Alfred. My favorite one of my favorite scenes with him as Alfred is when him and Michael Keaton are messing with the penguin with the using the voice changing thing. Like that was cool
6:43 because they actually had Alfred involved like for the first time. But other than that, M Michael Kane just had so much more to do. Like that part in Begins where Batman's on the roof, he's like, "Alfred, I'm so ████ up here." You know, and then it cuts to Alfred driving in the rain. Like it's crazy to think that like he maybe had some kind of beacon go off or something and then Alfred has to go collect him like this guy that he's helping do all this ████ It's kind of I don't know. I really Yeah, I think they gave him such cooler ████ to do. Yeah. Michael Keaton's Batman. I feel like uh he had such we were we were kids, but one he had such a cool suit. It just like looks so hardcore compared to like Adam West like cartoon like you know flat morph suit looking stuff. And that's why we're wearing Lululemon back then. The white eyebrow. Jack Nicholson was such a sick uh freaking Joker. Like the way he was just like mirror like that. I remember being
7:33 like kind of scared as a kid. Oh yeah, I was scared. Uh and then the music was so freaking dope. Oh my goodness. Like all that stuff I think was super epic. And then also uh what's her face? Um what's the actress's name? The catwoman. Oh Michelle Fifer. No, no, no. The blonde. Um the blonde. Kim Basinger. Yeah, Kim Basinger was fine. Oh my goodness. Fine. That nice little dress. So all that stuff. Wait, did that one nips out, dude? Nips out a little bit. That one came before uh the Tim Burton one with Penguin. Or was it after Penguin one was the second one? Yeah. Yeah. Okay, I see. And the last one. Was that Danny DeVito? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was That was a good penguin. I was scared of that one. But the new Penguin is way better. He's really good. TV show. Barrel Penguin is crazy. Did you like
8:23 it? I heard it was really good. It's really good. Worth a watch, huh? Yeah. Like I I feel like Christopher Nolan's Batman's better than the new Batman, but the Penguin uh the Penguin of the New Batman is way better than any possibly the best villain. Ooh, possibly. I liked what they did with the new Batman where like you see him actually going home after a day of crime fighting and like how wild it is like that he's like using his motorcycle going to the sewers going all the way down there. It just felt very real like that he could he would actually do it like that. Yep. Yeah, that was cool. What's the reason when they when there's the vigilante pretend Batman cuz he's like not even like there and he come and then and then they're like pretending to be him. That's still Dark Knight, right? Or or uh was that the third one? That was Dark Knight. Third one. Yeah, third one. Right. No, no, That was Dark Knight cuz they hung the guy. Remember Joker killed him. Yeah. Are you the real Batman? The guy's
9:14 like, "No, I'm a ████ p████." Yeah. And they're like, "Here's like a fat Batman." Yeah. Yeah. I wasn't a fan of Anne Hathaway. Catwoman. I mean, but we also got Michelle Fefeifer though. Yeah. Well, why not? Why not Anne Hathaway? I actually liked her. She was good. I liked her a lot. I wasn't her either. Very hot, by the way. Very hot. Just needed more boobs. I don't know. More boobs. The butt was the focus though. That's true. It was really I mean it was good in that sense. Butt shots in there. I guess I guess you know Christopher Nolan loves her. Puts her in a lot a lot of her stuff. You know, I get it. You didn't like her like um her fem fatal attitude and all that kind of jam. You vibe that? Well, okay. Here, let me put it this way. Michelle Feifer, Catwoman, that just hit home when we were a certain type of young and horny set. And and then also uh uh new no new catalytics.
10:10 Oh my gosh. So that's all I'm saying. I'm not saying Anne Hathaway wasn't good. I'm just saying like shake my hand, brother. I'll shake your hand. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. But dude, Kravitz Kravis's daughter. That jawline was She's She's a good actress. She's really good. You guys more of a Christian Bale guy. I like Christian Bale as Bruce Wayne. I think he's the Yeah. is like the best hands down. I don't think as Batman I think Michael Keaton's voice Batman's voice is way better than I agree. I agree. You know what I mean? Yeah, cuz Bale's voice is just like it's like dude, you're doing theater or something. Were you a fan of the Gotham show? I never saw it about Kid Batman. Yeah, it's just it was just called Gotham. I didn't see it. Was it the guy from the OC or whatever? No, the actor. I don't know, man. Anyways, who cares? I
11:00 remember the cartoon Batman. We would always watch that like animated series. Yeah. An animated series was animated series. And Mark Hamill as Joker. Like Yeah. Mark. Oh yeah. Unreal. Unreal. Ripped it. Yeah. That was really good. Like when I'm reading comics to this day, I I usually use Kevin Conroy and Mark Campbell's voices when Oh, yeah. Right. Right. Right. Right. They're just so good at it. Rank your Batman's like who played them in terms of the liveaction stuff. Val Kilmer. Val. No lie. He's one of my favorites though. RB. No, I think it's Christian Bale. Then I'll throw Val in there just for my own personal biases. That's fair. That's fair cuz I like And then Cludy's at the bottom, I think. And then Chris Evans is Robin. Was he or Chris O'Donnell? And then the other Batman. Oh, Chris O'Donnell. Not Chris Evans. I was like, "Wait, that
11:53 was about to be hall of fame for superheroes." Chris O'Donnell, by the way, that's the last thing he did. No, he was on He was on some cop show. One of those s█████ ass cop shows. Cop land. Yeah, with Iced Tea or something. I think Michael Keaton is my number two, though. Probably. Michael Keaton. Yeah, Michael Keaton's number one. Where's Ben Affleck? He probably like after Val. After Valve George Clooney. I mean, by far. Yeah, probably. What was the recent one? It was kind of boring. Robert Pansson. Yeah. Oh, Robert Pansson was good. The one with the explosion in the back, like the cover. You seen which one I'm talking about? Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot of talking. It's a lot. There's a lot of talking. Yeah. I think you're talking about the the the Robert Patterson one, right? Okay. Okay. No one was bad to me. It wasn't bad. I got a little bored the first couple times I was watching it, but I finally watched it. What's the a lot of talking thing? Why would they do that? What was that part? Why would they do that in a Batman? Did you feel like it was a lot of talking? It was slower. It's slower.
12:45 It was It was really dark. And really dark. Super dark. I had to watch it at home. Did the talking pay off in any way? I honestly I'll say this. I couldn't watch the whole thing. I fell asleep on the plane. When I watched the movie, I thought the movie was going to end three different times. Like I thought this was the finale and I was like, "Oh ████ there's more." And I was like, "Oh, they must be wrapping it up sooner." They're like, "Wait, there's more?" And it just kept happening over and over again. I couldn't believe the finale was so similar to like the Dark Knight where like you know at the end where he's like taking out all those all those guys with guns and like in the building and then the end of the Robert Patson one they're like up in the rafters and he's taking out guys with guns and like doing similar ████ and I was like this is like we've seen this already on film. I feel like I feel like you could have done something else. Maybe that's why it was so boring cuz it I don't know. It was just like there was no hook to me at least. It didn't feel like we're making a new road. It feel
13:35 like we're going over the same road we already went on. I feel that it wasn't different enough. ever. I do think not to bring it back to Penguin, but truly if if that has to be the jump off point for Penguin, it was worth it. Yeah, that series is He stole that movie, too. Every scene he's in is so good. I didn't even get to Penguin. I was just like Penguin. I was like, this ████ sucked. Stop talking to Gordon, dude. Like, ████ Nobody cares about us. Rank rank your rank your Catwoman's. And you got to include Alicia Silverstone. Which one is the the zipper suit one? She's Batgirl. What are you talking about? Oh, she's Batirl. ████ Throw her in the mix, dude. Throw her in the mix. Boobs. Was Michelle Fifer. Michelle Fiper. Number one for me. Obviously. Same. 100%. Are we Are we doing hot or we doing Who's the best Catwoman? Okay. Okay. So, Zoe Krabs number one, man. Zoe Krabs number.
14:25 Holly Berry number two. No doubt. Honestly. You're not wrong. I'm Michelle Fifer. I'm Michelle. Michelle Fer. But then that's that's unfair because it caught me at the most vulnerable age. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. The the crush that you have at that age, it's so I made a lifetime commitment to her when I saw her. See, so Ann Hathaway is the bottom for everybody. No, I put her for sure. I would have to put her down there. Yeah. Yeah. I would have to put her down there. I like her for other reasons. Rank your jokers. Oh, I go with Mark Hamill number one. Oh yeah. I mean, Heath is up there. Mark HS and he did it he did it for a long time. He did he did in the games. Yeah. Yeah. He spent more time being the Joker than anybody else. What about Heath Ledger? Heath Ledger. Heath Ledger is pretty up there, dude. Heath Ledger's number two. I think I think it's because he he revolutionized it so hard that
15:15 it's like, oh, how you going to ████ top this? You like the Suicide Squad Joker? Oh, everyone hates Everyone hated that one. God, that he's technically I think Barry Keegan did better than him. Oh, I thought I didn't like Barry Keegan either. He had 3 seconds as Joker. When I saw the clip, right, I saw the clip online or whatever of him and Patson. I think it was like 3 minutes. Yeah, I'm I'm joking. Is he actually Joker though? Like I haven't watched it. Yeah, me too. He's going to be in the next one. So, but is it him and Harley like in the Suicide Squad? Is it No, no, no. Jared Little is the Joker with um Marggo Robbie. Bro, Jared Little creeps me out. In Suicide Squad though, is there a Joker and Harley Quinn? Yeah, in Suicide Squad. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Then Jared Leto was apparently on set like sending um Harley rats and ████ like that. Like he gave her a rat or something. He's like a real pain in the ass on set apparently.
16:05 What about walking Phoenix? Walking that Joker. I I mean the first one I like. The second one cancelled it out, right? But the second one, too. I heard everybody was pissed about the second one, bro. The second one was like a musical and it was like why? Cuz it's like it was it it the the thing is the world the world is is not even consistent. It's the It takes place in the same place, everything. But it's it's almost like why are you turning this into that? Do you feel like it was a cop out or something? Like I think they got a lot of hate because they're saying like you're inspiring a lot of militias or some ████ And I think he just went way too ham on like that's not what this is. That's not what this is. And it's just like Jesus dude. I see. Just chill out, Todd Phillips. I see. I think what it seemed like is it was supposed to be like told in the perspective through Joker's mind and you
16:57 know how he's always singing and dancing and he's performing and he's an entertainer but then it's not executed well because it the musical part makes it seem less serious. Yeah. I just didn't I just don't I just think that that doesn't really work. Like Joker it was hella gay. You know what I don't want to see a movie through Joker's brain, dude. I don't want to see a movie through Joker's brain. But I mean like you know what you know what does it well is Deadpool. Like you could see it through Deadpool's brain. It's very entertaining and I thought they they executed that well. I think that's what they're trying to do with Joker tell it through his perspective but it's not good. Well I look again I didn't watch the movie but I know you didn't watch it. I know what happens in the movie. Well you refused to watch it. I tried watching I was watching for 15 minutes and I was like I can't I can't get through this. Yeah. I can't. Well, the first 50 minutes is the animation where he's like, "That's what happened." And he's in jail and he doesn't know that he was in jail or whatever. Yeah. Yeah.
17:47 Yeah. But whenever it was, maybe first 30 minutes. Who's the quick uh cameo of Joker in the Snyder Batman? You know what I'm talking about? Like they had that clip when we we did the Snider cut. It was Was it? It was Letto. Yeah. Oh, what a bummer. Got Yeah. So, enough said there. He was also just doing like Ledger basically. So, yeah. Okay. So, if we're at Ledger, then where does Jack Nicholson go? I think under under Ledger, right? Yeah. Yeah. He's top tier. He's top tier. Mark Hamill is like goated in a different category, though, cuz it's animated. He always knew Joker, though. What about the Joker from the ' 60s Batman? Was that uh what's his name? ████ not Gorschian. The other guy. It's really funny when you watch that footage. Well, he he had his mustache, right? So, they always had to white out his mustache. You know, you know what I'm wondering? Caesar Romero. It was Romero. Yeah, Caesar Romero. How come
18:38 they bring back all of the villains except Riddler? They literally brought him back for Robin Pants's Matt Reef. I didn't watch that one. I fell asleep. Yeah, this is why um Yeah, it always helps when Joe's here when we're talking about Batman stuff. [Laughter]
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