0:00 [Music] we talked about this particular topic before we brought her back today because a little bit of uh news came out caitlyn jenner has spoken out against trans women competing in women's sports i agree man interesting that's a tough position that she's in didn't she get i remember she got into some ████ cuz she was like now that i'm a woman the hardest ████ i got to deal with is trying to find the right shoes to wear that's what she said caitlyn jenner man she she's all over the map with her uh with her concepts and her ideas what the ████ damn dude here we go controversy over being allowed to compete and dominate on the women's team let's bring in caitlyn
0:51 jenner former gubernatorial candidate for the state of california and also an olympic gold decathlon winner caitlyn welcome thanks for being here sandra it is my pleasure this is a tough subject but it's my pleasure to be here it really is so take it on for us knowing that there's gonna be a big decision tomorrow what should the ncaa do with this tough decision well first of all number one biological boys i've said from the beginning should not be playing in women's sports we need to protect women's sports obviously this is about leah thomas who has brought a lot of attention to to this issue first of all i respect her decision to live her life authentically 100 percent and but it also comes with responsibility and some integrity
1:43 uh i don't know why she's doing this she's for two reasons one it's not good for the trans community i mean we have a lot of issues in the trans community that are very difficult and very challenging we have a suicide rate that's nine times higher than the general public um we uh but it's also uh not good for women's sports it's unfortunate that this is happening um i don't know why she's doing it she knows when she's swimming she's beating the competition by two laps she was born a biological boy she was raised as a biological boy her cardiovascular system is bigger her respiratory system is bigger her hands are bigger she can swim faster
2:33 that's unknown all of this woke world that we're living in right now is not working um i feel sorry for the other athletes that are out there especially at penn or anybody she's competing against because in the woke world you've got to say oh my gosh this is great and on and on and on no it's not we need to protect women's sports and the ncaa needs to make the right decision tomorrow and i think that's probably to stop this right now rethink it texas yesterday uh on the 18th went into no more transgender athletes in the state of texas you can only compete in what your original birth certificate said not if you even have had it changed but your original birth certificate also
3:23 the um ioc is looking into these issues again because they've been doing this for a long time they are located at issues well caitlin is just a complicated subject it's complicated very difficult and as many have written it's almost an impossible decision to make yeah she i think she made some really good points i was uh reading a very good point i agree with her yeah i mean i was reading about these two uh swimmer chicks maybe that's what she was talking about but one of them was transitioning from a guy to girl and she delayed her hormonal treatment because she knows that she has advantages from her biological and so that would almost be like taking performance-enhancing drugs and also like kind of like gaming the whole system yeah you know yeah that's not fair you can't do that especially when it's purposeful and it's like i know
4:14 it's hard well it's a tough situation and a tough topic because like there is data quantifying all the different differences between male to female athletes and how male are have way more advantages so the fact that like leah thomas yeah that's her name yeah the fact that she's beating collegiate swimmers by two laps yeah is crazy that's like that's like world records every single time she competes in in the context of women uh athletics so it's i don't know that i don't know what the right answer is but they have to overthink this they're not taking anything away from them it's not that you can't compete at all you just compete in your whatever your biological gender was is right so it's like to me i'm like it's they're they're not saying you can't compete at all so i feel like that is the fairest way do you feel like if you let's say leah thomas right who is uh
5:05 identifies as woman but was a biological boy competes in the let's say men's sports right and then like let's say she happens to be really really good and wins then in the men's sport it's like all the records are held by a woman is that also the same or just by biological boy i guess low-key i think that's better than this yeah you know because at least it's like yo like she competed at the highest level and she yeah she's she's athlete like that that's all that matters you know because i think the debate is between so like one thing there is about uh categorization of gender and how that fits with something like sports or a driver's license or whatever because one is categorizing sex for uh something that doesn't really have a
5:56 cultural like meaning behind it but it's more like for science basically we just want to know what your sex is so then like we can appropriately like deal with you in medicine or whatever or like we could categorize you in like sports where it's like okay just like your weight class you can identify as you're thin but maybe like in this category your heavy weight yeah you know so like how it's like those two things and how do they define that i think that's the battle right now yeah cause it's like yeah i mean you can identify as a female and and if if you want to be called a female and that's your pronoun like with caitlyn jenner it's like we all say yeah like you're a she now right fine but then when it comes to um categorizing her in a medical sense or like in other things that maybe
6:47 is just we need something more um definitive like something that's more objective where it's like this is what it is without all the cultural nuances that categorizes it i think that's what social norms that come attached with it yeah because it's like oh well you know we have to categorize her as a biological male that was born but how do you simplify that too you know because when you're saying with like weight classes that's a good point where like the whole point of sports is to see uh differences in measurable wins right so this person left more weights than that or more baskets were scored and so even with with weight classes this is a measurable equated as much as we could division and like let's say if someone were to chop off your foot when they when they look at the dna they can go okay cool joe is the dude
7:37 just from your foot from your dna they can tell joe is a dude so measure by measuring um you can say this person is in this weight class in this gender or whatever and taking out all the cultural and societal and whatever uh whatever else that's not part of what's why sports was created you know and for sports i think in the competition they're trying to make an equal opportunity playing ground for people of the similar caliber right because they don't want unfair advantages that's why you don't have a a ████ featherweight in a heavyweight in a boxing match because there's just a unfair physical advantage and especially in the collegiate level you have d3 d2 d1 so that's another category that like like complicates the situation even more and then state like cities and and uh
8:27 colleges like it all it really does and it's also too like title nine like all this stuff like that's a whole nother issue that i'm sure is really complicates the whole situation but i think i do have faith that they'll eventually figure it out but it's it's still very early after every single record is broken and held by a person i honestly believe that's what they this is exactly what we need like we need actual like an example to be like look this is why people have been saying you can't it's almost like you can't put a kid in with an adult in a basketball like court because like it's just unfair advantage smash that kid bro it's on track though there's so many uh biological guys that are now competing as women that are just smashing but i think i think for most people they need to see this i think a lot of people that
9:17 give pushback to these concepts they probably think yeah all right whatever like we don't believe you so until there's more cases of this happening then that causes all right we tried this way now we have to go a different path whatever that ends up being i think i have faith that it'll happen but they do need to make some the part that sucks though is like from the individual level like let's say you have a daughter that smashes all elementary sprint records right junior high sprint records high schools the top of the state goes to college and then smash is there then out of nowhere a biological dude comes in and smashes you yeah and maybe takes away your opportunity to go to the olympics yeah that's the part where it's like from an individual pers like from a from a public like issue standpoint i'd see that like you know it's just statistics whatever we gotta see where everything falls but from an individual it's like man the that part's tough yeah
10:09 you know what stuck out to me was the um caitlyn jenner was saying how like this makes the trans community look bad and then so i was like wait what because i would think if i was a transgender you know person i'd be like oh ████ so i could compete in any sports that i want that i identify with that i'm accepted in i was like i thought that everybody would behind the same thing be behind the same fight right but then that is a clear kind of to me it's like wait even within the community not everyone agrees that this should be happening so i'm like well if they don't they as in like you know their community can't come to a decision first then should people be outright going like as if like this is this is a standard because i was i was i was under the belief that this is what transgender
10:59 people wanted but now i'm like oh wait even within them they don't want it yeah that is interesting to think about like what does the trans community say about this topic yeah because i haven't heard anything from it maybe they just don't have a outspoken well i don't know if trans-racial was the thing uh would biological asians be allowed to compete in the white math league the white mask that's doping bro you better watch out because what if they start smashing and all the white kids it's not fair what the ████ ████ chain came out of nowhere dude he wasn't even a threat last year he's a dunn now yeah if trans-racial was a thing do you think it is a thing dude there's people that identify like it's happening now it's ████ crazy but like no one no one really believes it like you know it's it's it's just like because okay remember we did some jk news where there was a white guy that
11:50 identified as a filipino man and then he would drive around in a ████ tuck tuck that's cool yeah and he was a trans racial man who identified as a filipino woman he just can't yeah he can't compete in white sports that's it he just can't do white stuff he has to do only thai only thai athletics bro you know only filipino sports oh yeah filipino but like no one took himself dancing yeah dj he's not gonna stand a chance there's that one there's that one white kid who um he he's transracial too he wants to be korean so bad he got the plastic surgery to be a to look like a k-pop star and then so like never served the military and that one maryland that one white girl that like was saying that she was black rachel yeah that was a whole thing too
12:41 it's it's it's it's ████ happening why is it always white people turn into the other people though because i feel like if uh trans racial was a really powerful or a popular thing and a bunch of like minorities just wanted to become white so that we would have equal opportunity and we wouldn't get spat on i feel like that wouldn't be able to fly it doesn't work that way i guess huh that's sad so [Music] you
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