0:00 [Music] and welcome back to another exciting episode of careful boys oh hey be careful stay careful boys and we got welter here today walter what's up man it was a walter where is the where you from walter i'm from fullerton i think i haven't seen you in like three years yeah right it's been a while but a little backstory we've known walter now for definitely over seven years yeah yeah for sure maybe like 10 years maybe yeah i think maybe 10. how'd you guys mean back in the day when we had this channel called just kidding films we did sketches and all this stuff and we were like getting our foot in the door like learning about entertainment in the asian american entertainment circle yeah and walter comes from a stand-up comedy background oh gee one of the first asian entertainers
0:50 but i don't know how og how old is she um i'd say second wave who's the first one who's gonna be like henry cho margaret cho uh who's henry cho henry cho is a korean guy from tennessee yes he's still talking southern california he's still touring he's not on tv is that first way like mr miyagi oh okay if you want to go first yeah actually no because he was doing stand up before he was mr miyagi pat marina and uh johnny johnny yoon from they call me bruce so that's they were okay let's go first their first way is it first wave the japanese dude that saying the ████ sukiyaki song that went viral the first gangnam style oh yeah probably why does it have to be japanese what like what kind of korean i just had i don't know dude i had to bring it up i had to ████ fight for my peoples bro so yeah let's go let's go johnny yoon and uh pat maria's first wave and the
1:42 second wave would be like henry cho margarcho and then i'd say probably like two and a half is bobby lee because he bobby lee came in a little bit after henry margaret and then i think like the third wave would be like pk uh me like danny cho dr ken dr ken all those guys steve byrne um kevin shay katie tatara kitty tatara yeah and then now from what i understand during coronavirus there's a lot of asian comedians now they all suck though isn't it i have no comments no comment because i remember there was a time in asian entertainment like um we all freaking knew each other yeah there was a there was a moment when like there was new media and then there was like the asian film festival group that did all the traditional film and then the stand-up comedians and then the dancers yes right and then at that time
2:33 early two thousand ish that's kind of when we met or mid 2000 right and then that i think everyone was like one degree apart now if there's asians in entertainment no we don't even know who they are no you know and i think it stems from asian the whole and i don't want to like paint asians all in the same brush but like we have our pride and we all want to be the boss whereas like you get other curiosities yeah koreans basically i didn't want to say koreans out loud because then joe get all excited he's like this is why we occupied your country we all want to be the boss you know and so like other ethnicities gay people they're fine working with under other people and they thrive but like with asians it's like oh they set up this company i'm gonna set up my own rather than working for somebody else i wanna
3:23 set up my own this is another jk i'm gonna set up my own bro so that's that's my own personal theory i i could be wrong but i'm hardly ever wrong so out of the middlewave ones i like rodney chain a lot oh yeah ronnie yes i don't know when ronnie started because he started in another country so we usually don't count them because he's from australia yeah as asian americans he would be first wave out there yeah he could have started australia we got beef there's beef the only australians i like that are korean are jenny and uh such a small like and they're in black pink shout out to black people i'll just see blink right here yeah but we don't we don't count other countries because it's different the stand up is stemworld's different yeah it's just america obviously is the
4:13 pinnacle of usually entertainment and stand-up is a lot more difficult here uh whereas other countries i'm not gonna say it's easier but uh for asians it's probably a little bit what's more difficult here just in anything because if i if i lived in let's say hong kong granted there's only like one or two clubs there's not that many there's not as many comedians but here you have to deal with everyone i mean there's thousands of comedians just in la alone and so um getting stage time is it's a lot more what have you seen that's changed over have you been doing comedy for 20 years professionally i want to say i'm bad with time but professionally i want to say a little under 10 years professionally speaking yeah because you used to host chocolate sundaes out laughing i didn't host no i uh no i uh became i was i'm a regular chocolate sundae that's kind of like how i got my start um is kind of getting on chocolate
5:03 sundaes you're like the token asian guy among the black guy now i think there's a few but like back then um were you the punching bag i think you have to be in the comedy world just cut throat off because you know the way i mean the way i am yeah i don't know the question is that bro you're a punching bag ████ of the group did you suck like this guy bro when i was in the military i'm the only asian guy out of 80 dudes right yeah so anyone and everyone that had any even slight funny thought i'm just the punching bag for every single like asian thing that they can think of just got bullied bro that's just being bullied no they're close it doesn't sound like me they're brainstorming with me it doesn't sound like he's bullied [Laughter] bart's going home he's like yo like i've been coming up with jokes with my platoon dude yeah they're all asian jokes they're all small dick jokes
5:55 they got this little bit called ching chong i'm the star yeah they pull their eyes back and everything is so fun they had a quad ching that's what they this in the marines play and he's the star starring ching chong clon for christmas they had me dressed up as the japs this time and they chased me around the basement there's some ████ war reenactments it's 80 dudes fighting against one jab he's like dude but there's diversity i get to play the chinese guy the japanese guy the korean guy the vietnamese guy it's awesome well it's like next year i get to be genghis khan but no no they didn't they didn't do that to me i don't know i assume a room full of comments you're just ████ around all day for black comics you know they would say stuff about liquor stores and stuff and like you know like you know why you guys always follow us around like because you
6:45 guys never buy anything you gotta clap back you're like stop having your cousin steal stuff it's simple like that's you know i i always hit back i'm sure stereotypically yellow people don't hit back yeah um because we're you know culturally we're not brought up that way yeah but like i hit back but comedy is a different game you have to yeah well well it depends on the style comedy because that's why i actually like walter and then we're just like do we got to bring them on jk we got to do sketch sketches with them because we actually saw one of your shows i don't know where i think it was um when pk did the the asian night the life factory right yeah and then you stood out like amongst all the other asian comics because i grew up in my uh favorite comics were actually black stand-up comics like i didn't really get white humor and all that and that's probably
7:36 why my humor was more like urban and stuff we have a joke yeah he's a black comic inside he's a black comedy his jokes his sensibility all my favorite stand-up comedians 70s though yeah he's pacing up and down the stage teddy murphy yeah dude like i i studied richard pryor like all that and then so like your style was more like oh dude you remind me of like the asian guys that i grew up around it's like we grew up around like black mexican and this is our humor and all the other asian stand-ups i didn't relate with them because i'm like yeah i don't know it's a different kind of comedy i don't i don't know what you guys are talking about and then so i think like with me and bart too we're like oh we got to bring walter on because it's different right like you represented that kind of asian versus especially from back then too like you're already like a strong presence yeah and hitting back from back then so
8:26 that was really cool why'd you ask him if he was the punching bag well you don't have to it's not a bad thing i don't know depending on who you ask he's a punching bag that punches back dude i said punching back back oh man how has comedy changed on the last 10 15 years you know yes people are more sensitive now oh and i was gonna ask that like how do how does that work because i hear from so many standups that like it's it's more of a difficult space like people quit going to universities and doing shows there and even for us too like um we had to change our style yeah yeah it's like okay let's go for boys now yeah they're pretty yeah yeah be careful like i someone tried to cancel me but what's funny is like i'm nowhere big enough to be cancelled so
9:16 i think it fell on deaf ears cancel you in real life can't just tell me ████ up well no no um so they i i would have um so i did a joke um well it didn't start out this way but like the host i didn't know ethnicity she was uh it was like it was an asian show and so i was like are you are you chinese are you like southeast asian or what and she didn't really respond so i was just like oh look let's just start talking about southeast asian women like vietnamese women like they always want to upgrade so they want to get one of the main the big three which is chinese japanese koreans [Laughter] how do you feel about this i also want one of the big threes well you ended up getting with an aussie yeah is that a downgrade i don't know it's down under yeah see there it is bro another one let me clean this guy dude i can still
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12:41 but under under the umbrella of comedy like power how are you gonna take one specific thing and go with that because i'll give what the what happened was the comic after uh her bit was her mom told her don't date korean men and don't date um vietnamese men don't date cream men because they'll beat you and don't date vietnamese men because they steal if you want to compare which is more racist mine was positive you can get out of your situation and upgrade that's a positive hopeful thing hers was flat out korean men will beat you and vietnamese men will steal what's the upside to that joke and so the person that was trying to cancel me didn't say boo about the comic after wow and then to um further because they're
13:31 probably southeast asian and they feel like something about that statement yeah they're like that's true well the thing is i think yeah this person's vietnamese and was we're not lower people we're not looking and then she was okay with her her guys saying you know being told that they steal because but then like two comics before the guy was talking about how asian men have small penises and i thought let's take that for example and say hey why are you perpetuating that that negative stereotype even if it's true why perpetuate it and it's an old joke dude you gotta yeah you gotta evolve it about one if you're gonna complain about one you've gotta complain about it all yeah and so i think to me what's highly unfair with the council culture is people cherry-picking what fits their own narrative yeah yeah that for me is
14:21 highly it's what they get offended about yeah it's what hurts them right exactly which chapel with the with the trans community trying to cancel him um fine if you want to be offended by it you want to cancel them okay i respect your opinion and you can do that however you're going to have to go after chappelle for all the other racist jokes that he does because if you don't go after all of them then if you're laughing at the other ones exactly you're guilty too yeah so you can't single out just because it affects you yeah like i was at a show one night where all the comics made fun of every race out there and then the last comic had jokes about gay people two gay guys got up and walked out so they were laughing through the whole show the whole show and they got to live and i thought that's not that's not fair but they're they already pay for their two drink minimum they pay for everything yeah then that's okay as long as you pay to get out then get out it's technically fair they just had to go yeah they had to go we'll try to beat the parking yeah
15:13 last comic all right it's kind of like um victor it's like playing victim but you're actually bullying right because that means that you'll laugh at someone being bullied because it's funny but then when it turns around and you feel bullied you throw a fit yeah yeah and then because it's like you're going into a room where there's jokes right it's a jokes like court it's like watching a football game on a football field everyone's tackling or having a good time but when your brother gets tackled all of a sudden like beep no no no no no exactly right like what the ████ like this is a game of football happening on a football court and which is what comedy is right he's wearing pads that's what he gets bro he's wearing pads he should have been suited up like i'll take bart's example even further it's like you go to a football game and then a guy throws a pass and they get mad why is he throwing a pass what the ████ kind of you're at a football game
16:04 what do you think is going to happen of course it's like you're at a comedy club yeah jokes are gonna happen like what do you think was gonna happen when you walked in like we're not all gonna hold hands and be like oh you're so beautiful you're so pretty and handsome oh what do you think is gonna happen it's like the people that sit in the front row and they're surprised that the comics make fun of them yeah yeah yeah that's the perfect roasting place people people sit there on purpose because they want to get that's like the shamu splash zone that's what it is i got wet sitting here locked up the whale i hate seaworld giant signs i said you will get wet yeah they're selling ponchos to you guys what are those for why do we need them do you think it's because now with the internet and everything like there's so much more access to comedy that like before you had to walk into a club
16:54 before you had to like like watch a special right and then like people that really gravitated toward stand-up comedy in the world just like improv and everything it was kind of niche it wasn't mainstream entertainment right but now comedy podcast all that it's so big combined with uh you know the sensitive pc culture i think that like people don't understand the game so like in your bit as comics we know that that's not how you really be like you're not you're not there making a lecture you're there like playing on stereotypes because that's what comedy is a lot of the times like if you if you could label it it's it's kind of satirical it's also um you're making fun of the belief that some people have that east asians are superior to south asians right so if you break it down in a more academic way
17:45 you're making fun of that and then it's funny because there are idiots out there that believe that and you're making that statement so it's like when we do it's called um what it's it's it's not irony it's called um there's another word for it ████ slipped my mind but it's when you make fun of the type of people that believe this and then you embody that character like satire it's kind of like satire it's kind of damn i'll i'll i'll probably think about it way later but it's like and we did that um it's like absurd comedy too like we become characters that people think asians are and then we make fun of like what borat is yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i think get mad at you for portraying that but what borat does is he exposes racism he makes fun of if you're smart enough to see it exactly but if you're dumb enough you'll just be like why is borat making fun of jewish
18:35 people yeah you know what i mean so i'm like dude that's where the space is i think kind of weird is there's hell of people that come in and they don't know how to make sense of it it's weird that people don't recognize there's a game being played because it's like you don't go to a watch your favorite singer and when she's singing about like a breakup song and you're like wait but you're married [Laughter] she's playing the game of songwriting right yeah of singing you don't draw it to real life beyonce you're not single you can't represent single ladies you just like kiss jay-z back there what the ████ when i listen to kanye west sometimes and he talks about like ████ other ████ but i'm like but you're married to kim and i always think i always think i'm like i wonder if they have conversations about that yeah i wonder if kanye and kim like if she gets mad at him like hey like come on man that's not very very honest i thought his whole last album was about
19:25 like god and his mom now he said something about ████ ████ in there you have to of course if it's hip-hop it's a requirement they have a checklist they have a checklist it's a quota you know you gotta hit a quota dang that's sick i do feel this feeling though that like canceled culture went so bad that it went to the point where no one gives a ████ that much like people are getting cancer and they're coming back and then so people feel safer to just be like oh it actually doesn't do anything let's just talk and do what we want comedians are really good at that yeah they're coming back from cancellation louis ck and and dave chappelle both got like uh award nominations uh and both of them quote-unquote have been cancelled or whatever so it's kind of like what what does it mean to be canceled yeah and at that time we thought louis ck was gonna be done because it was like around the harvey weinstein stuff and then he just used that in his comedy and then that's the one that's getting an award killed and
20:15 he killed it was so good that's crazy and the way he handled it was so funny too like oh yeah was something like that strong of a subject matter at that time where everybody was like because that was probably one of the most popular cases in the beginning and then the fact that he turned into a comedy special do you believe in the ratio of as long as a joke is funny enough then it's not it's not like offensive well i think for each community they have their own line of what that is i don't do rape stuff i may i mean discuss rape but like i don't joke about rape um that's just me oh you don't i mean [Music] oh that was my favorite genre [Laughter] man they advertised you wrong bro it's a hard it's a hard line to walk yeah yeah like there's certain things that it's kind of difficult yeah
21:05 genre yeah yeah so like when i go on stage you should probably like just like noise cancel headphones probably because there's gonna be no rape jokes i i do i do you know racist stuff uh but my mind's more poking fun at the entire thing of racism like how it just doesn't it doesn't make sense you know um but like yeah but i i fully admit when i'm on stage like i'm racist probably probably yeah it's possible but you know it's funny now because they do um distinguish racism and prejudice now the line's a lot finer and thicker now than it was before racism it's about racism as an institutional uh thing so like for example like you guys are like let's say let's take just kidding films for example yeah and then um you guys just you guys didn't do that let's say you said no white people that would be racist because it's institutional but like if you as your
21:56 individual that's why we have a diversity card of one white person yeah we're diverse we're a diverse country legal purposes yeah we keep them on payroll yeah but like if now as an individual bart and you said hey i don't want to work with white people that's prejudice and that's okay that would be racism because you're not an institution you're just speaking as bart so it's gotta be like a company or a yeah that's where they kind of differentiate the two now right but i just say i'm racist because i'm egotistical and i consider myself an institution that's right walter hogg incorporated how you see yourself yeah right he's a sole proprietor dude so when i say i don't work with white people i feel like thousands of people be affected by that yeah and they won't work with white people either yeah um so yeah i just fully readily admit that i am uh racist that's pretty cool you man that's pretty
22:46 progressive of you yeah man i'm proud of you bro you know i'm here to help pay for the way [Laughter] where are those rape jokes huh [Music] you
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